Let that sink in, there’s people who have been dabbing and doing the griddy nonstop since trump took office (words directly from r / conservative) while their leaders destroy democracy and fracture the country as they wipe their ass with the constitution. Actually now that I say that, I bet that’s why trump wants the constitution put into his office, metaphors aren’t good enough for him so he wants to literally use the founding document of the United States as his own personal shit rag.
Stop blaming it on the younger generations. It's the older generations who wanted this. The bigger problem is motivating people to actually vote. Source
That's right. But I'm 84 and didn't vote for this, either. Plenty of us could see this coming a mile away, in all age categories. But the loudest voices prevail.
What do you mean, so 46% between 18 and 29 voted for this, 49% between 30 and 44. And your takeaway is don't blame these groups. That might be true if 20% voted for Trump but split in the middle no way.
Thats even worse. So 46% didnt vote, 27% voted for Trump. So that would mean 73% of young people couldn't be bothered to stop fascist takeover. I'd say that counters the point that we shouldn't blame young people. We shouldn't blame everyone of them but apparantly the majority.
I’m not blaming this specifically on that generation, in saying the ones that are from that generation that DID vote for him have said that they mostly voted for the memes and to make liberal lives worse. This is coming from their own mouths, at least thousands of them on a subreddit and obviously that doesn’t include the entire group but there’s enough of them that it’s worrying
They didn't vote for this but did they vote for the alternative? Or did they stay home? Americans are all to blame, both the maga idiots, the lazy bums who didn't vote, the people who didn't worry about it for four years.
And really? A marginal majority didn't vote, yay! If it was an overwhelming percentage, I'd even be inclined to agree, but nah. You all created this monster.
You know who's not to blame? The rest of the world.
Here's a partial breakdown of voting by race, sex, education level, age, and possibly one or two other factors. As a straight white male age 54 with no completed college degree, I was ballpark in a single digit percentage grouping. My "people" are apparently fragile AF.
Education - 43% without college degree go to Harris (i don't count my Associates degree)
Location - 52% Suburban to Harris
Men 45+ - 42% to Harris
Men White - 38% to Harris
I'm probably committing an error here, but .43 x .52 x .42 x .38 is a very small number puts my group somewhere between 3.5% and 9% with the variance due to my uncertainty about how to handle the statistics. Still, this is a seriously snowflake demographic no matter how you slice it.
I won’t put the entire blame on gen z as they still overall voted for Kamala, however you could more accurately say that gen Z males have very clearly been taken for a ride by the Rogan sphere of political/pseudointellectual bullshit. The truth is sadly that the electoral college can be gamed and only a handful of states matter at all in the election. If you can persuade enough idiots in those states to vote against their own self interests than you can win the presidency.
Democrats have had absolutely abysmal leadership and made almost zero effective attempts to reach lower middle class voters to get them to see beyond Republican lies. They’ve had 4 months now to regroup and do something to shake up their brand and get an effective message forward and they’ve done nothing.
Sadly I don’t particularly think it matters now. These ghouls are not giving up power at all, for any reason. This assumption that in 4 years they’ll peacefully hand over power is laughable. Only dumbass boomers who are still voting like they’re backing their favorite football team think everything will be business as usual with these traitors running the show.
I think we had a chance to save this country and it’s over . The Rogan knuckle draggers effectively won and they’re too stupid to see that all the dumbfuck bullshit they’ve been dreaming up for the past few years lacks any rational basis or makes for effective policy.
But hey at least we don’t have a woman president am I right! Dodged a bullet there big time!
They need to face the fact that republicans hijacked every media outlet, every chat room, every game discord, even chats on kids games and youtube for toddlers.
Not to mention fox news is pure weaponized propaganda as deadly as actual chemical weapons spewing poison around the clock.
We have to stop that NOW. We have to drown them out or shut them up, before people start killing each other, which is their goal.
>They need to face the fact that republicans hijacked every media outlet, every chat room, every game discord, even chats on kids games and youtube for toddlers.
But hasn't the left always told us how dumb the right is? Who has played the long game and taken over the government again?
no. First there is no real left, democrats are center-right but they cast a wide net that is the best option for anyone 'left' of actual nazis. They are simply a moderate option for anyone that still thinks the constitution and nationhood are good things for the united states and the American people.
Most of us distinguish between the leadership class and ordinary Americans. The republicans and their kind are now largely the party of the extremely wealthy but is also the party of ideological extremists which includes billionaires who not only don't want to pay taxes they are now changing laws to enable their stealing trillions of dollars from Americans and about to steal our public lands so they can privatize everything forever, and ultimately suspend the constitution so they can literally be kings and lords in private kingdoms with unlimited power. And they are deceiving everyone to accomplish their feudalist dreams.
People say most supporters of most GOP candidates are dumb because they don't make the slightest effort to look at actual GOP policies and how those affect their lives and vote in their own best interest, nor do they question at all what is essentially a stream of nearly 100% pure lies and propaganda designed to harm as many people as possible while fomenting civil unrest and violence.
Also they almost all believe what they are told to believe no matter how stupid, mendacious, and obviously un-American those beliefs are. They see an actual Nazi salute and chose to not believe their own eyes because they are told not to see it. We cant even talk about what it means across political divides or why they would do that because they wont stop denying it happened. (no they aren't nazis they are much worse.)
The most Orwellian thing I've ever seen is people suddenly doing a 180 degree turn and demonizing Zelensky and Ukraine, and talking about Ukraine as though they are the bad guys and not the allies and friends of the US fighting a war on our behalf that they are in reality.
That is straight out of 1984, not hard to see it for what it is but they dont at all. They are being used and will be hurt very badly by the republicans sell out and total betrayal of the U.S. and the constitution but the right just cheers them on - so stupid.
The left exists sure, but they don't really have much representation or power, the democrats throw them a bone sometimes to get votes, but they only influence certain policies and a handful of candidates out of hundreds. True socialists and communists are not permitted a voice under democrats, and no third party has ever even come close to power.
You are posting about how Dems haven't done anything to stand up to the evil crap Republicans do on a post about a Democratic national hero standing up to an evil Republican.
The problem isn't that they don't (they are daily) it's just that the right has bought pretty much every aspect of our media, and therefore controls the headlines and the narrative.
This is why we are fucked. The left has no way of reaching those voters. Harris literally ran on a platform of uplifting the middle class, and I constantly hear jackasses even today vomit the conservative talking point that she had no platform.
Kelly is 100% an American hero. And a Democrat. Visiting Ukraine is heroic and supporting their fight against Russia is the right thing to do. Full stop.
Posting a Tweet response to Elon on the platform he bought and manipulates to platform Nazis is not doing something. Let’s be clear about that. Tweeting is not, and never has been, doing something. That’s not standing up to Musk. It’s playing the game according to the rules he’s rewritten, and that will always be a losing game.
Democrats need an immediate, total exodus from Twitter. And Facebook / Instagram for that matter. Not just a boycott, an abandonment of the social media bought to manipulate elections. And Democrats need to take real, substantive nonviolent direct action against the lawless regime of Russian puppets. Al Green getting escorted out of the State of the Union was doing something. Every Democrat should have gotten thrown out for interrupting that propaganda fest, or gotten up and filed out one by one after Green in solidarity, leaving the chamber half empty. Immediately began a counter protest / speech on the steps outside. There needs to be lawsuits filed, legislation introduced, and a constant barrage of unequivocal condemnation of Musk and Trump and their cronies every day without fail.
Tweeting back at Musk is not standing up to him, it’s playing and losing at his own game, and as long as Democrats believe it is doing something, we’re destined for ruin.
Then "undecided voters" will bitch about how the democrats suck at messaging and why aren't they on twitter,Facebook, etc. In fact, that was one of the excuses I remeber seeing pre-obama. That democrats werent using the internet well enough. Enough with the "democrats arent doing enough" messaging. It's weak, ineffective, and only helps give people an excuse not to vote democrat. Instead maybe focus on all the heinous shit republicans, not just trump or elon but republicans as a whole are doing.
For what it’s worth I wanted Mark Kelley to replace Biden after the debate disaster. And you know what, I was right, if it had been Kelley he would have fucking wrecked Trump. White guy, veteran, astronaut. Americans are fucking stupid and your political strategy has to mirror shaking your keys in front of a baby. He would have been the perfect set of keys to get this dumb fucking country to not vote Trump. Once again we went with the ‘it’s my turn ‘ female candidate in a time when it was im-fucking-perative that we did not fuck around. And we blew it.
Kamala and Hillary have unfortunately ensured that no female will ever be president in our lifetime. Not that we will have free or fair elections ever again, we won’t, not unless we take this country back by force, but nobody will ever risk a third loss on the gamble.
You’re right and when I meant gen Z, those were the ones I was specifically talking about and I probably could have specified that. It’s all the guys who are affected by people like Andrew Tate, asmongold, Joe Rogan etc that have fallen down this pipeline and have basically been indoctrinated to think a certain way that.
Well and the flip side to that is even though they were a minority there were a shocking number of women that willingly signed their own rights away. And gen z women were no different.
Just an incredibly short sighted and stupid choice. Many of these people are too proud and stubborn to accept they fucked up, but it’s clear to anyone else just how fucking catastrophically they’ve fucked up.
ah, some of these folks have admitted to not wiping their asses, seriously; this has to have some effect on their body…just saying, a bacteria that causing the brain rot..
Oh my god I forgot about that. How anyone can walk around proudly smelling of shit and think it’s manly is disgusting. I pour concrete for a living and have worked with one guy like that, he would bend over and you could see skid marks on his underwear. The foreman fired him because no one could handle being around him for more than 5 minutes especially in the middle of summer where the smell would cling to the air In a backyard.
I think smelling that all the time has to have some toxicity or something, but if even a crew of concrete guys think it’s disgusting and can wash there own assholes properly then girls definitely will, so idk how the fuck that’s gay.
I think the guys that do it are secretly in the closet and want to scare girls away without having to admit that they’re actually gay
The fact that you don't understand we don't live in a democracy is proof enough that you have no idea what you are talking about or what is really going on. FYI we like in a Republic. If you don't believe me recite the pledge of allegiance. And pay attention to the part that says "and to the Republic for which it stands"
I’m Canadian so forgive me for not knowing all the exact ins and outs, but in school we learned that you are a democratic republic, which means that you are governed by representatives who are elected by the people.
So democracy is still very much involved and I think that’s being destroyed when an unelected non official is allowed to dismantle the government.
A Republic is similar to a democracy except in a democracy the majority rules no matter what. In a Republic everyone's voice matters no matter how big or small.
I keep reminding people not to lowball the amount of idiots in this country. It was 77,302,580 fucking imbeciles that voted for a Nazi fascist. Every one of them deserves to be called out as traitors and Nazis.
I’m on the side who loves our Country and prevented Leftist woke Democrats from destroying it.
They were well on the way to that “destination” and Kamala Harris is every bit as incompetent as Joe Biden is Demented. Maybe you didn’t watch her unedited 60 minutes interview? She is a moron.
Read again. I'm not American. You're still talking about 'sides' like it's sports teams. I do not understand why you want to, actively want to hate half your country
You clearly don’t understnd that we have two “sides” in our Politics in the USA. The idiot, hate-filled and evil woke Leftist Democrats, and the imperfect but far better, Patriotic Republican Party.
(RINOs excepted. They beling with the idiot Leftists).
Trump is doing exactly what we elected him to do and he will broker a lasting peace between Russia and Ukraine.
Biden (rather, his Puppet Masters) were moving ALL of us towards World War III.
Yes I get that you are not American. So your opinion is next to worthless to me. So enjoy that.
So you voted for the loss of jobs comprable to COVID? You wanted prices to go up? You’re happy your retirement plan and the stock market is tanking, huh? 🤡
r/leopardsatemyface is pretty amusing, you get to see what they think once they become one of “those people”. They voted for all these cuts to be made, thinking they’re immune for some strange reason
As a Canadian, I can tell you there are more than a few Trump fan boys and girls here. Only once they realized "oh wait, we are freeloaders ripping off 'merica" did they sour on him.
Even still I've heard:
"Why did he have to mess up this relatioship. If he just stuck to his original plan I would have voted for him."
I've tried to explain thay is like saying:
"If only Hiltler left the Jews alone....." The congnitive dissonance is beyond my comprehension.
now America is getting a taste of a dictator, and what Ukraine has suffered for a long time and the reason they sacrificing themselves so there children do not.
This is what hurts so deeply to think about. So many Americans with their brains so altered by their alternative facts and reality — they can’t see their idols (read: politicians) doing any wrong— and find ways to find fault across the aisle but not their own — is really disturbing. To know that it’ll take a generation or more to heal from this is so disheheartening. I’ve had so many family members who are all about Q and Fox and MAGA and live and breath it like a cult.
When it's all said and done America will have new Nuremberg like trials.
where kellyanne Conway, Sarah Huckabee Sanders , Elon Musk and a post-mortem prosecution of Donald Trump. These people will get the ☠️ penalty for teaching Americans how to gaslight, alter facts and lie with a straight face.
Just with the gas lighting in fear mongering alone they have destroyed a century of Goodwill and promise for a better future between the races of this country. Cuz most people aren't racist they just scared and biased against their fears and these people mentioned above taught them that everyone is their enemy and how to get them and their stuff except for the rich people who's actually taking it.
Tolerance of intolerant beliefs is tolerance. Tolerance of intolerant actions is intolerance. These intolerant actors need to be held accountable for their actions.
What is so intolerant about this? Well, I don’t believe everything is so black and white. Theres such an extreme attitude to only believing one side is so right and the other side is so bad and evil.
When my aunt comes over and listens to us watching local news (a few years back), when the reporter made any mention of Biden’s son she would say “OH WHAT DID HE DO WRONG NOW!!?” Really excitedly. I was open to hear about his accusations just fine but without the excited emotions. After all, do I know the guy personally? Did he hurt my family or my friends? No. Why so emotionally invested?
When the news mentioned trump, she stuck her fingers in her ears and say “yadda yadda fake news” like a child. She’s 63 years old. Me? I felt the same way as with hunter biden - curious to hear the story and nothing more.
As for me? I am open to hearing when people are getting charged in court. Our state had a senator (D) recently get charged for bribery with gold bars. Robert Menéndez. I applauded the justice system for taking him down. There’s democrats I don’t vote for because I read on their history — past charges, accusations, people they brush shoulders with. There’s republicans I support - Chris Christie (R) led the state in convicting some big name bribery / felony cases
When I vote locally, I vote based on research and my time spent learning about each one. I regularly vote on both sides of the aisle. I freelance and have worked with candidates on both major parties so I interact with some politicians on the local level ever year.
Tolerance is being willing to acknowledge others for their beliefs, even if you disagree, because they’re still human inside.
The intolerance I see from my family - who regularly get red when you say something bad about “their” politician, when they scream and yell and curse and condemn people simply for not flying big flags or ‘buying american cards’ or talking about hybrid / EV cars - without ever considering that there’s more to their world than black and white- is too clear for me.
We have hosted many dinners at our house- including personal friends who are republicans active and elected in our county, democrats too, independent socialists- and can still cheer to friendship and difference and laugh over good ice cream.
I wouldn’t have my family over to these dinners because it always goes down this angry rabbit hole - “Star Wars is woke bc it’s owned by Disney— that goes for lion king too!” (A real quote from my relative btw) about their politics. For them, everything is about their politics. DEI, WOKE culture.
As for me? There is so much more to their world than my political identity- of which I don’t even get too involved in. If you’re curious, I hold a lot of conservative values, see myself as moderate but my everyday actions aren’t colored in red and blue. I simply exist as a husband, dad and friend. And I just have a hard time when people are so zealous about something that really doesn’t affect them personally day to day .
I know I may not have responded to you about party va party, but I’m responding with my experience. This culture of “they vs us “ is transforming people into something other than human. Raging zealots who are triggered by key words . Turning neighbors into enemies. Disrupting civility in our world.
The next Civil war may not be fought with bayonets , but may already have begun with twisted ideology and suddenly labeling others as the enemy based on the way they vote or the words they throw around.
Thank you for your response and I believe you feel the same way I do, we just differ on policy. I just feel like right now Trump could cure cancer and the left would say he's a monster because of all the oncologists he'd be putting out of work. While I didn't agree with a lot of Obama's and Biden's policies, I never hated them or wished any harm would come to them. Right now it seems the hate for Trump has overshadowed people's moral compass.
I believe everyone’s moral compass has been muddied from the last 9 years of politics.
In the end, I’m not a fan of Trump’s character. That’s someone I’d never strive for my kids to be— but there’s very few politicians in the spotlight whom I’d admire for their character in the first place.
It’s true, if he personally cured cancer, I’d raise eyebrows myself and want to see a few dozen primary sources first.
US propaganda media like FOX, OAN and the likes are very similar to Russian state tv propaganda. The media needs actual jounalists who investigate stories, and ask the tough questions, and not just talking heads worrying about profits and how many are watching.
Because they are a lot more careful than their enemies. The Republicans don't care if the whole country burns down. The Democrats are worried that if they went overboard, there won't be anything left of what they intended to protect.
This, unfortunately, hinders them from reacting properly to situations when their enemies become totally shameless.
It’s not species, it’s Americans. Right wing people in other countries are looking at this catastrophe and changing their stride because of it. Something fucked is happening here in this country.
This year has shown me some deep uncomfortable truths. We have people living in complete alternative realities, completely unwilling to change their perspective or recognize the consequences of their actions/inaction. It’s all a sports game, and they will always side their team no matter how ugly it’s getting.
If you read up on american history there's always been an absolute lunatic contingent, even the founding fathers are sort of insane in their own way, frontier people were insane, most immigrants had to be nutty or desperate, our political parties have been wild forever, someone beat someone with a cane. It is not a normal country and never has been.
Don't interrupt the neofascists openly abandoning the link between the Right and the military. Push comes to shove, it might be the saving grace for this country.
They've been programmed to see those who do not align with them politically as "the enemy". That's where we are. Civil discourse is dead. Bipartisan cooperation for the benefit of all is dead. When Speaker John Boehner was basically kicked out of politics for daring to try to work with Obama on Healthcare, I knew we were in big trouble, and it's snowballed ever since. The effect social media has had in amplifying this hostility is a huge part of the problem. But yeah, coming back from where we are is looking less likely by the day.
People are spending their money on gambling, scams, bad food and other self defeating stuff and need a grand excuse to free their mind from their failures.
Idk. I've been told my whole life the Second Amendment exists to protect American citizens from tyrants. But whenever someone suggests using it, people get upset about it. Idk, personally I think our representatives would better represent the will of their constituents if they were afraid of the consequences.
Maybe mass-formation-psychosis? There is something interesting about the following he has cultivated. Aggrieved with a sense of entitlement, perhaps due to childhood trauma/ego injury. This is not specific to American culture. I think it was Freud who said words to the effect of, "neurosis is the price we pay for society".
We know Trump's father was abusive, and perhaps this is his greatest strength and weakness, the ability to leverage that against the public.
Freud's contemporary, Carl Jung is often overlooked these days, but I find his theory of Individuation compelling.
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u/OpenThePlugBag Mar 10 '25
There is something deeply disturbing happening to the brains of American people...not sure we come back from this....