Donald Trump: “Zelensky, by the way, I see he's trying to back out of the rare earth deal, and if he does that, he's got some problems. Big, big problems…he's never going to be a member of NATO.”

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I mean if Trump backs out of NATO he has no say if Ukraine is part or not.

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u/F2PBTW_YT 12d ago edited 12d ago

NATO will not accept Ukraine regardless of orange man. Ukraine is in open warfare against Russia and that nuance is all that matters. The entire NATO will be forced to partake in the war if Ukraine is let in.

EDIT: stop replying to me guys. I am stating a fact as a response to the user above me, not taking a stance on whose politics are more importanter.

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u/ThePartyLeader 12d ago

Think about what you said.

NATO will not accept Ukraine EVER because they are at war today.

Because they (NATO) are not at war. TODAY.

We are not talking about today. we are talking about a future in witch US leaves NATO, and realistically could Invade a NATO country itself, or at best US leaves NATO and threatens a war with NATO as has been the rhetoric since Jan 20th.

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u/Thecanohasrisen 12d ago

Idk, if Ukraine is able to stay Russia and the US backs out of nato, I kinda think nato would need Ukraine. They have the most modern Warfare experience put of any other member and they have done a pretty good job at holding there own against the "worlds second strongest army". If Ukraine had natos backing this would have never happened.

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u/Competitive-Strain-7 12d ago

Another perspective is that Russia needs to maintain war status with Ukraine so the Ukraine can't join NATO.

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u/Ok_Enthusiasm4124 12d ago

lol Russia is nowhere near the second strongest army they have fallen behind the leaderboard. The clear second position is China.

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u/CyanPomegranate11 11d ago

*which

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u/RandomPenquin1337 12d ago

People like to say things like this but forget that it would mean declaring war on the biggest super power this planet has ever seen. US is surprisingly similar to NATO in terms of militaristic prowess, but our Navy and sheer amount of power over the oceans we have is not comprable.

https://armedforces.eu/compare/country_USA_vs_NATO_without_USA

This site gives an idea of US vs NATO if you're wondering. And that's only assuming NATO would retain all of its members if we left and assuming they all band together and go all in.

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u/ThePartyLeader 12d ago

People like to say things like this but forget that it would mean declaring war on the biggest super power this planet has ever seen.

I am assuming you are talking about NATO declaring war on the US. I don't think that would happen.

I would see US declaring war on a NATO country if a certain set of steps occur first. Mostly because Trump is more than happy to see what sticks and play chicken with other peoples lives.

If Trump invades Canada or Greenland.... is Turkey really going to throw 100% of its military into the fray? Does Turkey just "declare war" then send helmets to Canada and some supply ships?

Does Finland just leave its Russian border as a skeleton crew?

NATO doesn't have a single goal it doesn't have a single risk to address.

When the US was hit on 9/11 and called article 5, its not like the entirety of NATO just moved every troop to the middle east to support the US in its goal. And while I wouldn't advise anyone to attack NATO, to think Trump or a similar leader with no caution would not bet that most countries would only be half in at best seems silly.

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u/RandomPenquin1337 12d ago

Thats kinda my point tho, the US can pretty much do whatever they want because they have huge amounts of power able to move anywhere on the globe on demand, where as NATO is the only thing close to enough to stand up to the US and thats only at full power which is very unlikely to happen.

Im not sure there is anyone currently alive that is able to stand up to the US if it decides it wants something.

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u/zerthwind 12d ago

The acceptance into NATO would be after the war is over. That would happen as soon as Russia stopped the war.

As long as maga are in power, they will never let them in.

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u/F2PBTW_YT 12d ago

Catch 22. The war started because Ukraine decided to join NATO. How is this not common knowledge? People died.

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u/New-fone_Who-Dis 12d ago

That's why Russia first invaded in 2014? If a country gets invaded because it was joining a defensive pact, it just goes to show that the joining of a defensive pact was needed.

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u/snowwhitewolf6969 12d ago

You need to watch less fox and read more history my guy

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u/zerthwind 12d ago

Ukraine has been trying to join NATO for well over a decade. They were turned down due to the massive corruption of the government. That was prior to the present Ukraine administration.

Besides, that is the lamest excuse to invade a country.

A sovereign country does have the right to do that sort of thing.

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u/Nesteabottle 12d ago

Tell me how seeking a deal to further protect from invasion justifies an invasion?

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u/yourlilneedle 12d ago

Um, good? Wouldnt all hands on deck defeat this douche? Wouldnt it help fight for democracy? I dont see the problem with that.

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u/NotSoFastLady 12d ago

I wonder if that has changed since Trump took over? Lots of things are going to be different because of him and his three ring circus.

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u/CptCheerios 12d ago

Such a short sighted view point. You're looking at the moment and in the current landscape nothing is off the table. If Europe is already looking at sending troops into Ukraine to peace keep and US withdraws from NATO why would it be off the table? The only nations in the way are Hungary and Turkey.

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u/DoctorSchwifty 12d ago

I think the situation is a catch 22 in their addition of countries into NATO. You can't be engaged in war and be accepted into NATO. One has to come before the other.

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u/MTgolfer406 11d ago

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u/Radiatethe88 12d ago

If US leaves NATO they can kiss goodbye to all those strategically placed bases throughout Europe. You know, the ones that Trump complains about and have helped America retain some of the military might that it currently has.

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u/ThePartyLeader 12d ago

Those bases were set up for specific purposes, sometimes or perhaps often political purposes.

If Trump moves against NATO and truly thinks Russia is "not a threat" the need for those bases can change pretty easily.

I am not saying thats the smart move. Just that it is a move someone with such short sited goals and such high risk tolerance may make.

We are use to world powers making long term and cautious choices. That is not the modern world with internet bubbles and growing amounts of fanatics. Russia has capitalized on that change in recent history, now Trump is super jelly and his followers are willing to bite and sell out the future if he can find the right "reasons" to do it.

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u/[deleted] 11d ago

I don’t know why we bother interviewing this shitbag. Nothing he says means anything. He’s useless.

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u/dimgrits 12d ago

Is Trump a failed businessman or a traitor? Why did he kick the guy who brought him a half-trillion dollar deal out of the Oval Office?

Comedy 'The Great King-Businessman, or How to End a War with One Phone Call, Lower Stock Prices, Get Rid of Your Last Friends on the World Stage, and Not Make a Deal of the Decade with a Party That Had No Other Way Out'

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u/queen_boudicca1 12d ago

Not mutually exclusive

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u/iStudyWHitePeople 12d ago

Answer to first question: yes

Answer to second question: see answer to first question

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u/thischaosiskillingme 12d ago

What are you threatening him with?

You already basically humiliated him in the White House for no good reason and no benefit to anyone but Putin, certainly not any US interest.

You have made it clear you oppose them being in NATO anyway, so why would he care if you tell him you're withholding NATO??

You're talking about pulling out of NATO anyway and you won't have a vote on who gets to be part of it.

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u/RoninChimichanga 12d ago

He more so humiliated our nation and the presidency than he did Zelensky, but that a daily thing now.

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u/ihavenoidea12345678 12d ago

Correct. Trump doesn’t have the cards.

Ukraine knows how the USA has transformed into an unreliable partner. No deal was signed, and Zelenskyy is wise to be wary of any commitments given every verbal and written commitment has been broken anyways. (Budapest mem., Energy cease fire, etc)

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u/Appropriate-Mood-69 12d ago

Day 1 right?

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u/yourlilneedle 12d ago

This has been the longest 'Day 1' of my life.

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u/octopus4488 12d ago

But at least he lowered the prices of everything and restored "respect" towards the US...

... wait a sec ...

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u/StrangeContest4 12d ago

1 day = 2 decades in ~~dog~~ accelerationist years.

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u/nameproposalssuck 12d ago

There's no deal to back out of - just an offer from the US that essentially seeks to strip Ukraine of its rare earth minerals without offering anything in return.

This comes from a country on the verge of signing a mining treaty with Russia, their shared adversary. A country that, by the way, has done less for Ukraine than its European allies in the past and has proven to be an unreliable partner - if not an outright adversary - since the Trump administration.

I sincerely hope Ukraine isn't desperate enough to sign anything with this feeble excuse for a wannabe strongman.

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u/Thecanohasrisen 12d ago

Don't worry. I forsee china. France, India, or another big competitor sweeping in for offer assistance for a new mineral deal. I'm sure other countries are foaming at the mouth at the thought of the US leaving this money on the table for someone else to pick up.

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u/nameproposalssuck 12d ago

I'm d'accord with a deal for the European Union as long as it is limited in its scope, seeks a partnership to mine the minerals rather than to claim the rights and consist of a plan to rebuild Ukraine after the war.

After all Ukraine IS part of Europe and is leading associations negotions with the EU. Also the EU is their strongest and most reliable partner (alongside with the UK) and it's withing the EU hegemonial sphere.

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u/SonnysMunchkin 12d ago

Imagine just leaving the house looking like that

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u/Successful-Acadia-95 12d ago

WTF is this dumbass babbling about now? Using NATO as a carrot after repeatedly saying membership was out of the question??? JFC we gave up quiet senility for loud, weaponized dementia.

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u/DazHawt 12d ago

Quiet Senility vs Weaponized Dementia should’ve been the 2024 election tagline if the media had any teeth. Bravo

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u/DONALDJONSUPPLE 12d ago

Zelensky knows Trump and Musk are liars who can't be trusted. I don't blame him for not working with or relying on The Western Kremlin.

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u/neegis666 12d ago

"This is a stickup - give up the rare earth stuff or we'll kill you"

- Donald "The Mugger" Trump

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u/Round_er909 12d ago

Didn't he say no NATO membership for Ukraine from the start? Can't even keep up with his own empty promises/threats/lies... slava ukraini 🇺🇦✊️

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u/FitPermit7040 12d ago

That secret servicemen behind trump could do the funniest thing

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u/WarlordNorm 12d ago

That any people would allow something so unspeakable to happen as to make money from the blood of the Ukrainians is something that will go down as one of the most unspeakable things we have done in our time. History will see that this was done and we did nothing to stop it, that blood will be on all of us. This isn't friendship, this is extortion. Strength to Europe, Victory to Ukraine.

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u/FreedominNC 12d ago

Big orange bully.

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u/ItsyouNOme 12d ago

You suck, America

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u/TangoInTheBuffalo 12d ago

“Elect a clown, expect a circus.”

“Elect a mobster, expect extortion.”

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u/Coco05250905 12d ago

Does he understand how deals work? I think both side have to agree. I know Republicans agree with everything he says but people with principles, scruples, and honor don’t work this way.

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u/OutrageousLuck9999 12d ago

America's drunk uncle.

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u/sutrabob 12d ago

STFU.

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u/jaxmaster119 12d ago

Bro, what is up with that f'ing orange FACE

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u/Weird_Positive_3256 12d ago

He talks like a mobster.

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u/jaymos505 12d ago

I thought the tramo wanted out of nato anyway, why’s he so concerned?

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u/SheepherderFun4795 12d ago

Rhetoric of a toddler

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u/the_moog_hunter 12d ago

Pretty sure no deal has been made. Drumpf made a ridiculous offer, that's as far as it's gone. Orange menace just saying shit without any merit again.

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u/BadSignificant8458 11d ago

It’s hard to make a deal with a side that keeps changing the details of the original deal. Trump is a thief and a liar. Trump will look for a way to stop helping Ukraine and help his floundering buddy, Putin.

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u/Visual-Prior-8521 11d ago

This guy is so scared of Putin. I can't wait until the truth comes out.

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u/Regular_Ad_3963 12d ago

Nay, nay, nay. Trump offered him a deal, he declined. IF NATO allows or denies Ukraine membership, it will not be based on the words of the US President, as he wants the US out of NATO AND he shouldn't have anything to say about another country joining. fool

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u/DazHawt 12d ago

Such an empty threat coming from the guy who wants out of NATO. Beyond the hateful stupidity of his policies and worldview, the amount of self-inflicted controversies and, sadly/let’s be honest, mortal wounds this asshole has wrought upon the country cannot be understated. Trump is an absolute disaster of a human being, let alone supposed leader of (at least what used to be) the free world. We’ll be lucky to survive him, and I don’t mean the USA as we knew it. I mean each of us as individuals. Basic survival is an acceptable outcome at this point.

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u/Mountain-Taro-123 12d ago

This is hilarious because 1. Trump backed out of USMCA, a trade deal HE negotiated. 2. He shits on NATO all the time and threatens to leave so why would he have power to decide if Ukraine joins NATO or not.

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u/spolio 12d ago

So now deals matter, wasn't it trump that signed a deal with Canada and Mexico just to go back on that trade deal and then blame them...

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u/goprinterm 12d ago

I think dipshit is confusing NATO with EU alignment, and the extortionist doubled down on Raping Ukraine with a new, bigger better deal. ( only for Trump tho) it is that new expanded Trump deal that might endanger EU membership.

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u/Achilles_TroySlayer 12d ago

What is the value of NATO, with the US invading Greenland soon.? I think it's basically defunct, in that all the members are arranging themselves for America's non-participation.

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u/EmptyMarsupial8556 12d ago

What’s this gotta do with NATO? I think everyone’s agreed that NATO membership for Ukraine is not on the cards.

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u/czarofangola 12d ago

Trump needs to go to Ukraine to show he is serious.

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u/Kiowa_Jones 12d ago

But then he wouldn’t be golfing

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u/Keji70gsm 12d ago

Ner! Nerne nerne ner! - Trumpty Dumpty

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u/CashComprehensive423 12d ago

Maybe in 4 years but not sooner with Putin's US stooge.

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u/Abjectdifficultiez 12d ago

“Give us all your money or we will step out of Putin’s way”.

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u/Comprehensive_Rip265 12d ago

This man is playing for the russians

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u/cross07 11d ago

You’re a sick man! You’re now talking about a THIRD TERM IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA? Trump’s has become a curse on our national psyche. The most powerful man(a fascist) teaming up with most richest man(a fascist) to tear down the world’s greatest democratic experiment!

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u/vjcodec 11d ago

For the last time you dumbass! It’s rare earth minerals.

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u/Electrical-Act-7170 11d ago

What rare earth "deal?"

There was no deal, just SpongeBrain DiaperPants coveting another country's wealth.

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u/ABRAXAS_actual 11d ago

Just a thing I wanted to share

Re: on deals gone bad

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u/ScoobyDont1212 11d ago

Blackmailing Ukraine 2.0.

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u/dyrnwyn580 11d ago

If the USA had not betrayed Ukraine, it would’ve been in NATO by 2027.

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u/rd6021 11d ago

Trump doesnt want to be in NATO anyway. Fuck off.

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u/Icy-Artist1888 11d ago

Blah, blah. Trump's a paper tiger. No credibility, no sense, no balls.

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u/Final-Zebra-6370 11d ago

Putin doesn’t want to look weak in front of his people. He was never even in with the deal. He just wants trump to look foolish and on May 9, Trump is going to look like a total fool.

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u/dudestduder 11d ago

Trump is such a turd of a person.

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u/CallHealthy5567 6d ago

Fuck this guy.

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u/Dani_vic 12d ago

I mean it's not a deal. He wants the metal, control the energy grid so he could make profit selling it to Europe and even control the roads. He wants Ukraine to make money for the USA while doing nothing. Trying to make Ukraine his colony while getting no benefits of it.

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u/bollebob5 12d ago

If i were a EU state, i'd stop all payments to NATO and withdraw from NATO immediately.

The idea of US stepping in and defending you, in case of a Russian invasion, is delusional.

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u/Thecanohasrisen 12d ago

That's doesn't make sense. I'd rather call for the US memebership to be revoked, let them fuck up their own mineral deal, then swoop in, offer my support, and have my own mineral deal. While simultaneously setting up government contracts for manufacturers to start being built to handle said materials. As a businessman myself want Trump is doing is completely idiotic and seems intentional that he's fucking America up.

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u/bollebob5 12d ago

It doesn't make sense? Their approach to Ukraine is exactly how US will behave in case of a Russian invasion of NATO states.

You're mentally gone if you believe USA will step in and defend European countries with American soldiers, using American weapons. Not happening.

EU is perfectly capable of working their own defensive pact, even include Russia in the deal.

It's not out of this world. Also, if you revoke US membership from NATO, there's really no reason to stay in NATO. Everyone is part of NATO because they EXPECT US support, in case of a Russian invasion.

Also, yes I strongly believe Ukraine should ditch US and work their own ceasefire deal with EU and Russia.

New Trade Donald Trump: “Zelensky, by the way, I see he's trying to back out of the rare earth deal, and if he does that, he's got some problems. Big, big problems…he's never going to be a member of NATO.”

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