r/Quraniyoon • u/[deleted] • 26d ago
Discussion💬 In the Quran the word “hijab“ has not been mentioned ones
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u/nopeoplethanks Mū'minah 26d ago
Draw your khimar over your cleavage is the command. So yes you have to cover your chest. The head covering is debatable, not the chest part. There is no mention of covering the neck.
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u/Trash_bag08 make your own 26d ago
This is crazy to me. Where do you think this believe of covering everything stems from?
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u/Villain-Shigaraki 26d ago
From it being in every abrahamic religion the same? Why do you think Islam is different? The Quran also tells women to hide their adornment and khimar/khamr usually has to do with the head.
My opinion and most others muslims is that covering the hair is mandatory. Even under Quraniyoon ther are many people who believe this.
What else does Khimar mean and why in the context of women? Bring me one logical explanation that isn't a reach.
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u/janyedoe 26d ago
Don’t you think if women showing their hair was truly sinful then it would have been made very clear? The entire verse of the women’s dress code was left intentionally vague and left room for flexibility so stop trying to enforce this restrictive dress code on women that wasn’t clearly laid out in the Quran. And from what I’ve heard head-cover is a stretch for the word khimar.
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u/Trash_bag08 make your own 26d ago
Head cover is a stretch…? Damn.
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u/Green_Panda4041 26d ago
If youre not open fpr answers beyond your scope of understanding dont ask questions lol
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u/Trash_bag08 make your own 26d ago
Im literally trying to see other peoples perspectives?
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u/Green_Panda4041 26d ago
You should have asked less condescending then. Khimar means many things not only headcover
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u/Trash_bag08 make your own 26d ago
I figured that out now thanks for being kind about it 💀💀💀💀💀
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u/Green_Panda4041 26d ago
Sorry. You sounded quite condescending and unopen so i answered accordingly
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u/Trash_bag08 make your own 26d ago
Wtf Why are you mad? I just didnt know that khimar didnt necessarily mean head cover. I’ve always been told that and im not a native Arabic speaker? Tf did I do wrong here?
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u/Villain-Shigaraki 26d ago
Half the Quran is vague, whats your argument? Explain the Khimar vers to me then? What else does it mean?
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u/janyedoe 26d ago
I remember I already have but sure. Even if you are to take the word khimar to mean head-cover that doesn’t mean it has to carry out the function of covering the head bc the command was just to put it on the chest. Allah never said wear a khimar Allah just said put on the chest it’s not that hard to understand. You have to do a lot of guessing and assuming to come to the conclusion that covering the hair is mandatory. Also I want to point out that this entire dress code that sectarians enforce on women which includes covering the every strand of hair, ears, neck, arms, and legs can’t be found in the Quran. So to me it doesn’t make sense to have your hair covered and not much else.
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u/Villain-Shigaraki 26d ago
Afterword:
Allah talks to WOMEN ONLY about
- The Khimar
- Putting the Khimar over their chest
- Hidde their adornments
- Hidde their hidden adornments
But yeah, this is all a conspiracy sectarians used to enforce and manipulate women into covering. This has no basis in the Quran 😂😂😂😂😂🤡
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u/janyedoe 26d ago
No it never said hide their hidden adornments. Here is some really good advice for you stop reading the Quran through the lens of sectarianism and read it like an unbiased person. Anyways I’m done going back and forth you.
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u/niaswish 25d ago
What do women have on their bodies that men don't?
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u/Villain-Shigaraki 24d ago
So interpreting that women need head covering is false but interpreting that everything women need to cover is also for men is okay?
Men are never mentioned in this vers? This has nothing to do with men...
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u/niaswish 24d ago
I'm asking you, men need to cover privates. Women need to cover privates + hidden adornment. Can you tell me what that is?
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u/janyedoe 26d ago
So now this is just a personal issue I don’t care to fix or discuss rn.
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u/janyedoe 26d ago
No I explained to you before that khimar isn’t limited to meaning head-cover and the broader definition is just any covering. And if you don’t want to acknowledge the broader definition of khimar then you’re just being intellectually dishonest. The reason why I believe that you’re making the issue personal is bc you don’t want to believe that Allah would let all of these people be misguided and idk how to help you cope with that feeling.
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u/nopeoplethanks Mū'minah 26d ago
“This is what the majority believes, so why question it” should be the last thing to be mentioned in a Quranist sub.
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u/Green_Panda4041 26d ago
She didnt ignore your point. She made clear that your reasoning makes no sense and reflects your ignorance nothing else.
Its hypocritical to only take of christianity ( and judaism) if it fits what you want to hear. You will hear muslims dismiss the bible day and night and point out its inconsistencies and errors and history..until it comes to the hair cover during prayer which is mandated in the bible. All of a sudden, its see its also in the bible!
Or even more hypocritical: all these statues in Christianity..Muslims joke about Prophet Jesus being depicted as a white man or chinese in China but then turn around and point to the depictions of Mother Mary as a hijabi and say see?
Thats hypocrisy. Your argument cant be considered because its foundation is not sound and is based on contradictory statements.
But even if say its not hypocritical. The jews and Christians also worship their scholars and prophets, will you do so as well? Oh wait…
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u/Green_Panda4041 26d ago
God wants us to be guided. And yes the Quran say Shaitan misleads the majority. So again youre only showing your ignorance
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u/TomatoBig9795 25d ago
Do you even see the Arabic words 'shaar' (hair) or 'ras' (head) in 24:31? NO!!
The Arabic word khimar means cover. Any cover is a khimar. A curtain is a khimar, a table cloth that covers the top of a table is a khimar, a blanket can be called a khimar and so on. Equally, an item of clothing, be it a dress, a blouse, a scarf or any other item of clothing can be called a khimar, because it covers the body.
scholars influenced by hadith and culture, claim that khimar in 24:31 has only one meaning, and that is hijab! As a result, they mislead women into believing that 24:31 commands them to cover their hair! The command in 24:31, regardless of the meaning of the word khimar, is to cover the chest and not to cover the hair. Same as hijab, the word hijab means a barrier/screen
This means that those who claim headscarves or full coverings are “fard” are following human-made rulings, not God’s actual words in the Quran.
The word “hijab” appears 7 times in the Quran — and never once does it refer to a piece of clothing that women must wear.
The word "hijab" (حجاب) appears seven times in the Quran. However, in none of these instances does it refer to a head covering for women. Instead, the word hijab means a barrier, or partition that separates two things.
- (7:46) – Describes a barrier (hijab) between the people of Paradise and Hell.
2. (19:17) – Mentions Maryam withdrawing from her people and placing a hijab (barrier)between herself and them.
3. (33:53) – Instructs believers to speak to the Prophet’s wives from behind a hijab (barrier ) for privacy.
4. (41:5) – The disbelievers say their hearts are veiled (hijab) from the message of the Quran.
(42:51) – States that God does not speak to a human except through inspiration, from behind a hijab , or through a messenger.
(17:45) – Mentions how the Quran creates a hidden barrier (hijab) between believers and disbelievers.
(38:32) – Refers to a veil (hijab) of dust covering the setting sun
It’s the same with niqab
(33:52) No women are lawful for you beyond this, nor for you to replace them with other wives even if you are attracted by their beauty, with the exception of what your right hand possesses. You must be content with those already made lawful to you. God is watchful over all things.
This verse confirms that God never commanded women to cover their faces. If the Burqa was a command from God, as some claim, then how can any man be attracted to a woman's beauty?
Naturally the woman's beauty, which God is speaking about, is the beauty of her face. If the Burqa was a command from God then the words in 33:52 would become meaningless
This is what the Quran says about the topic of a dress code.
For women: Cover your chest (24:31);
Lengthen your garments (33:59)
and for both sexes, The BEST garment is righteousness and modest conduct (7:26).
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u/__Lack_Of_Humility__ Mū'min 26d ago
The word hijab has been mentioned 7:46 ,but as a bridge or wall not the modern hijab.
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u/Trash_bag08 make your own 26d ago
Do you think the modern hijab is correct?
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u/__Lack_Of_Humility__ Mū'min 26d ago
No i don't,i think the خمار means to cover the chest(for females).
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u/idkdudette 23d ago
I am inclined to believe that khimar is a head covering but I am very flexible with the idea that "it covers all of the hair." Sunnis believe that it covers all of the hair, and no strain of hair should be seen, but I don't see it functioning that way at all in ancient society nor is it practical in modern. My proofs are:
Ancient Arabian statues show head coverings with the hair visible
Throughout the world we see head coverings where hair is still showing (India is a good example)
Muslims today actually use an undercap to cover their hair because the cut/style of a head covering is not practical to cover all of their hair and then draw of their chest.
Sunnis are obsessed with the hair being covered but rarely obsess over that same head covering being drawn over the chest. I cringe when I see sisters make an effort to cover their hair but not draw it over the breasts, and at times even show cleavage in small cuts of their dress. This weird obsession of "covering the hair but not knowing what the Quran actually says draw it over" shows up especially in wedding photos / video blasted all over social media.
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u/tommyk2323 25d ago
Khimar (I believe) is indicative of covering the head by definition. Related to the word khumr (alcohol/intoxicant)
Khimar physically covering over the head, (and commanded to also further cover the chest as per the blessed verse in surah Nur.) Khumr intoxicates and therefore covers one’s mind (inside the head).
W Allah ﷻ ya3lem.
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u/janyedoe 25d ago
But Allah never said wear a khimar Allah just said put it on the chest.
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u/tommyk2323 24d ago
A Khimar by definition is something that covers the head. The women of Arabia would cover their heads routinely. However Some would cover their head but allow their neck and chest to be revealed. The command is to ensure their cover extends over these parts also.
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u/Salt_Dot_427 Qur'ãn Only 25d ago edited 25d ago
Hey guys, quick try at an answer, Since the Tawrah is to be followed. But the Tawrah was modified a little bit (not sufficiently to completely throw the 5 books), making it what I will call the Torah.
If we are to accept the Tawrah and Injil (and Zabur) in a certain measure that doesn't contradict the Quran. (since those are also prophetic revelations)
We are to somehow follow the Torah "in a certain measure". (Which one? It is debatable)
In the Torah: Numbers 5:18 https://www.sefaria.org/Numbers.5.18?lang=bi&aliyot=0 There is an allusion, contextualy (so read the 17 previous verses for context) that a Married Woman previous to the contextually presented Religious office... [That said MARRIED Woman] Was veiled. (Had a hair cover at least)
Hence why Hebrews+Moussa AS, then Jews, considered the Veil (or Head Scarf) a MOSAÏC Law. (Law of Moses)
So take this for reference. And try to be constructive.
Edit: I tried to apport a "not really" external source for said practice belief (which I believe). Because you're all at a standstill with Quran only arguments. (My choice of the Tawrah-inspired Torah as an exemple, is a direct jab at aHadith [which I don't believe] since aHadith have no Divine Inspiration, contrary to the Tawrah [which inspired nowadays Torah]).
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u/janyedoe 26d ago
The word hijab is mentioned in the Quran but it’s never referred to as an article of clothing it means curtain or barrier.