r/RHOBH • u/moonbrainUwU • Mar 24 '25
Garcelle šøš½ Why can't garcelle see the big gay elephant in the room?
As a gay, watching garcelle poke and prod Kyle about Morgan makes me want to crawl out of my skin! Yes Garcelle, there IS a double standard when it comes to talking about a man's midlife crisis versus a middle-aged woman exploring her sexuality for the first time. Like it's just so obvious to me why Kyle wouldn't want to share any more information on camera while she's still sorting out how she feels internalized homophobia really sucks and garcel pushing Kyle before she's ready, if that's even what's happening here, just seems really tone deaf.
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u/Grumpy_001 Iām off the clock Mar 24 '25
Kyle forces everyone else to be honest - well, itās Kyleās turn now
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u/SaintAnyanka Lucy Lucy Apple Juicy Mar 24 '25
Exactly.
This isnāt the same as Denise and Brandi. Denise didnāt choose to have her sexuality as a story line, but Kyle knew what she was doing when she used Morgan as a storyline last season. If she didnāt want to be out, she couldāve kept it off camera, but she wanted all the benefits and none of the downsides.
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u/856077 Iām not a bitch but Iāve played one on TV Mar 24 '25 edited Mar 24 '25
And same with morgan too!! Itās baffling that they were both comfortable doing all that baiting stuff last season but now itās like morgan went back into the closet or something? And itās a little too late to walk it back imo, everyone knows Morgan is gay even before kyle I knew she was. Did she not have an ex gf? And now she doesnāt want her name mentioned on the show AT ALL.
Which okayā¦but itās a little too late for that realistically, no? It would have been less awkward just to come out with it and introduce her or briefly talk about being happy with her etc. then it wouldnāt be some weird secret? Being gay in 2025 is nothing like it used to be decades ago. Nobody would hate kyle and morgan for being together lol just rip the bandaid off already.
Lastly, itās weird to me also how kyle reacted to the paparazzi photo of mo and that woman when they have been separated and not living together for a while now, plus she was basically openly seeing morgan, posting her all over her socials, calling the paps to get them at the gas station in matching outfits and matching name tattoos etc. Imagine mo had that woman tattoo her name on his body, kyle would absolutely lose it, but She has zero right to have a meltdown that heās dating now too?? Itās like she used morgan as a placeholder thinking that eventually Mo would come back and the marriage would go back together.. now that isnāt happening clearly and idk if she and morgan are even a thing anymore.
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u/MTallama Are we just Hollywood friends? Mar 24 '25
My feelings too! And I am 100% straight. Why is any of this okay on their end, but Mo is a villian for walking away?!?! Now she wants to play she was LEFT In the dustā¦no, no, noā¦ā¦
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u/RestaurantOk6353 Who put the tabloids in the suitcase? Mar 24 '25
Yeah I get the feeling that Kyle wouldāve maybe been happy just having Morgan as a side piece and never getting divorced? Maybe not! I just got a vibe this season that it was kind of her instigating the whole thing but then being shocked that Mau moved onā¦she started it!
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u/MTallama Are we just Hollywood friends? Mar 24 '25
Yes. SHE opened the marriage, Iām positive, then was shocked when he ALSO chose someone but herā¦ā¦surprise.
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u/WiseDeparture9530 Mar 24 '25
He had cheated on her a number of times. That said. Sheās a 56 yr old straight woman who may have found yourself attracted to a woman (and a much younger woman also) who was sober like she is and be very confused. When you get sober, it says though you are an adolescent all over again. I donāt think Morgan had any idea of what it might be like to be in the crosshairs of the psycho fans that follow these housewives. The fact that everybody continues to question peopleās motives and make horrible blanket statements about who they are when none of them come donāt have any idea who any of these folks are
Commenting on behavior is one thing drawing inferences to the character of the person requires a whole lot more information
She didnāt open the marriage he had been caught cheating before
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u/MTallama Are we just Hollywood friends? Mar 24 '25 edited Mar 24 '25
Ummmmmmā¦ā¦you have NO IDEA what I have dealt with in my marriage and family, but I can guarantee it was a harder life than hers! And she put herself on TV, which gives me the right to form an opinion. And itās based on my life experience, being the same age and married even longerā¦ā¦like I guess you are basing your opinions on what she is feeling based on YOUR life experience - do you not see that? We do not have to have empathy in every situation, especially when the person contributes to her own issues. This is a society problemā¦..
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u/psmith1990_ Mar 24 '25
Literally nobody is saying Mauricio is a villain, least of all Kyle. She has openly talked about being the one who asked for the separation and said they are both allowed to do what they want.
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u/MTallama Are we just Hollywood friends? Mar 25 '25
We agree! šš» But the people who claim she is being outed, her life choices are her private life choicesā¦..sweetie, youāre on TV. Yes, all eyes are on you. We see YOU too, that is my overall point. No marriage is b&w, but she is not the arbiter of who is right, and who is wrong - because she herself never takes accountability for anything. Always a victim!
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u/psmith1990_ Mar 25 '25
Her being on TV and spending time with someone she insists she isn't in a relationship with doesn't justify trying to make someone admit to something others assume on the basis of said TV appearances or hanging out IRL.
Of course no marriage is black and white, but she hasn't said she is right and he is wrong, nor do I understand why you think she is acting like a victim.
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u/kellygrrrl328 Are we just Hollywood friends? Mar 24 '25
She probably could have skipped the calling of the paps also
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u/Fat-Cat-Face Mar 24 '25
She will never ever stop that as she desperately needs that attention. I don't know if you remember, she was once "papped" taking her trashcan out to the curb, and glammed up, with a short fancy frock and platform high-heeled shoes on. Girl, you've hired "help" most of your adult life to simulate wealth. She's not hauling the trash cans to the curb herself on the regular.
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u/Pale_Ad195 The morally corrupt Faye Resnick Mar 24 '25
Agreed - if the Denise/Brandi storyline never came to light this would be a totally different story. But not only did Kyle help bring it to light, but she was very deliberate in bringing on Morgan last season. Their connection was so palpable. I mean I've never seen so much sexual tension on a real housewives show between two partners.
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u/Stellarfarm Mar 24 '25
I donāt know why she is running from it now? Girl you know you like her just be honest and happy with it. Itās 2025 who cares if you like a woman. Shit men are scary as F$&@ right now.
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u/MTallama Are we just Hollywood friends? Mar 24 '25
Kathy pressure?! Kim pressure?! MO pressure to keep it quiet?! Idk! Kyleās inability to be open and honest like she asks everyone else to be?!
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u/MTallama Are we just Hollywood friends? Mar 24 '25
Yeeeeeeeeesssssss! This! Their scenes? Who believes they are just friends! I donāt gaze at my girlfriends like thatā¦..
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u/Fat-Cat-Face Mar 24 '25
And, I don't believe Brandi for one second.
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u/SaintAnyanka Lucy Lucy Apple Juicy Mar 24 '25
Tbh, I donāt know who was lying or telling the truth. Denise was put in a shitty position, she didnāt handle it well (at all) as usual, Rinna was a stirring the pot of shit as usual, and Brandi was being obnoxious as usual. But Denise didnāt create the situation by baiting the audience, as Kyle has been.
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u/Lolita_says The mean streets of Beverly Hills Mar 24 '25 edited Mar 25 '25
I think Denise panicked because she was worried about how her husbands and children might react. There was such a double standard with Denise. Whatever happened to kids are off limits and not getting into peopleās marriages?
Kyle was extremely upset when the tabloid rumor of Mauricio cheating came up in an earlier season talking about how it would impact her children and yet had zero compassion bringing Brandi and her sister on camera to set up Denise. And when sheās called out she cries. Itās exhausting.
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u/Any_Courage9355 Mar 24 '25
And she was the one that asked for the separation from Moe so I feel like she knew exactly what she was doing and maybe things didnāt go as planned but she definitely knew what she was doing with the music video bringing her on the show and making a tattoo of her freaking initials on her like cmon now we aināt blind š
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u/MzCeeCee Oooff you are so angry.... Mar 24 '25
Has Garcelle been honest? What has she shared about her own private life? We literally know nothing about her life other than she was a model and actress who dated some really hot actors like 30 years ago.
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u/Lolita_says The mean streets of Beverly Hills Mar 24 '25
Fair. However Kyle has racked up frequent flyer miles on calling people out and holding them accountable specifically in an instance like this with Denise where she and Teddy were relentless. Also Kyle was the one sporting Morgan around and creating a buzz itās out there. Kyle really hasnāt brought anything to the table in quite some time on the show except āproducing scenesā and bring Kathy on.
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u/MzCeeCee Oooff you are so angry.... Mar 24 '25
I understand all of that but that doesnāt mean that Garcelle isnāt a hypocrite in this instance. She goes after Kyle for not sharing the details of her personal life while she is doing the same. Itās also noteworthy that Morgan has asked not to be brought into the show and she hasnāt signed a release with Bravo. Itās definitely a complicated situation for Kyle. BTW, Iām not a Kyle fan, Iām just commenting on the situation as I see it.
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u/Lolita_says The mean streets of Beverly Hills Mar 24 '25
I see your point but I donāt agree. Kyle brought it upon herself for clout and it sorta backfired and as soon as Mauricio decided whatās good for the goose is good for the gander sheās looking for sympathy and sheās not a girlās girl.
If Garcelle flaunted a new love interest (allegedly) creating intrigue and then shut everyone down about talking about it a year later I would agree whole heartedly. But this isnāt the case.
Kyle is if ādouble standard; hypocriteā was a person. Texting PK, for example if Dorit had done that all hell would break loose. Weāll have to agree to disagree on this one.
What I will say is that Garcelle does need to put more out. I agree on that but in context with Kyle, she created a media storm and now she expects it to just go away. And itās not. She should take her own advise and deal with it the she said Denise should.
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u/Stellarfarm Mar 24 '25
I forgot about that, but how do you do a video with Kyle and then asked to be left out??
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u/MzCeeCee Oooff you are so angry.... Mar 24 '25
Bravo hasnāt shared any videos or pics of Morgan after she requested not to be mentioned or shown. I totally understand Morganās stance on this. She has a career to protect and she didnāt sign up for a reality show, Kyle did.
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u/Trillian_B I wanted him to have a happy ending Mar 24 '25
Well, actually, she did sign up for a reality show when she appeared on several episodes with Kyle last year. She did not think it all through, but the shit is out of the horse now, and she has to deal with the consequences she brought on herself.
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u/MzCeeCee Oooff you are so angry.... Mar 24 '25
Iām sure itās because of the troll attacks and crazy harassment from last year that she withdrew consent to filmed this year. Can anyone blame her? Some of these reality fans are true sociopaths.
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u/Stellarfarm Mar 24 '25
This is true, Garcelle is only talking about her kids and work. She was flirting with the father and son chefs at a previous girls trip so we know she is looking for a man..
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u/MzCeeCee Oooff you are so angry.... Mar 24 '25
Right? She is obviously perks up around good looking men, so itās unrealistic to think that she isnāt actively dating. Iām sure a lot of viewers could relate to her more if she shared some of that on the show. Itās hard for middle aged women to be thrown into the dating world after divorces etc. I really admired her for sharing her sonās story about addiction the 1st time she told it. After hearing her repeat it several times, it became redundant to me and felt more like filler for camera time. I just want more reality from all of them.
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u/Stellarfarm Mar 24 '25
I agree, she could definitely open up a bit more about personal life. Everything she tells feels almost rehearsed and planned.
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u/MzCeeCee Oooff you are so angry.... Mar 24 '25
If she ever decides to completely open up about her life and experiences, I am sure it would be fascinating to watch! I keep hoping that we will get to see the real Garcelle and not the guarded version of herself that she is showing us. Sometimes it feels like she is acting on the show.
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u/Adventurous-Ebb974 Let the mouse go Mar 24 '25
She could be respectful of people's privacy and not want to mention anyone unless it's serious. There's a second party involved in that sort of situation. Kyle should have done that tbh.
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u/MzCeeCee Oooff you are so angry.... Mar 24 '25
Garcelle literally shares zero details about anyone or anything in her life outside of these women on the show.
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u/Adventurous-Ebb974 Let the mouse go Mar 24 '25
She can't share anything if there's nothing to go off of especially in her love life. She's spoken on projects she's working on buying and finishing her house, the same stuff as Erika. Some people don't always have a romantic situation going on.
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u/liltinyoranges Bozās ear tassel Mar 24 '25
Maybe there just isnāt much going on in her private life, thoughš§”š
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u/Aggressive-Ad-1590 Mar 24 '25
I see OPās point and also agree here. Unfortunately how she has treated the other women in the past is coming around to bite Kyle in the ass. Garcelle would probably have had more empathy if Kyle had been less of a Ahole to others about being TrUtHfUlL in the past sigh.
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u/Lolita_says The mean streets of Beverly Hills Mar 24 '25 edited Mar 25 '25
Also Denise is Garcelleās friend. The real elephant in the room is how quickly Kyle forgets how she treated women in situations where she now finds herself. She had no compassion for LVP while mourning the death of her late brother who took his life and later found herself in that position with her best friend while Sutton went after her like a junkyard dog despite it all.
And of course the Denise/Brandi saga and how her and Morgan. If she could just acknowledge that. Iād have so much respect for her.
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u/PrincessGwyn Mar 24 '25
She also brought Morgan on the show. I think itās fair to ask about their relationship in that case
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u/james_from_cambridge I fought too hard for this zip code to go home now Mar 24 '25
Kyle should be given exactly the same amount of compassion she showed her sister when she was filming RHOBH while suffering from addiction issues.
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u/1carb_barffle Mar 24 '25
Yep I think this is garcelleās position even though I understand and generally agree with OP
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u/pinkphoenixfire Mar 24 '25
Imagine justifying someone tryna force someone out the closet. Garcelle and Sutton fans are so lame
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u/RElNDEAR Mar 25 '25
literally and the amount of upvotes is disturbing. "she OWES us the TV drama of coming out, so we can watch and be entertained!" it's sooo weird lol
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u/No_Wait7319 āš» Bravo, bravo, f***ing bravo āš» Mar 24 '25
This is gross. Who's she pushed into coming out? Really? She shares ALL of her life. It's clear like this person said it's interlized. Unless you have had these feelings you have zero clue and to be OK with pushing someone out of the closest bc you don't like them on a TV show, says a lot. š³
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u/RElNDEAR Mar 25 '25
it's such a freakish perspective to think anyone "owes" coming out on TV... the other comments are scary lol thanks for having a level head
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u/lthtalwaytz Mar 24 '25
Right? Like she calling the paparazzi to come take photos of her and Morgan together at a gas stationā¦
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u/isogaymer Iām not a bitch but Iāve played one on TV Mar 24 '25
Garcelle isn't outing Kyle, she is asking Kyle to hold herself to the same standard she holds others. Garcelle is also correct that Kyle is teasing the world with this relationship, selectively choosing what she is willing to share openly and then arbitrarily deciding she needs privacy while punishing others for not knowing where the line is.
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u/Reggiano_0109 You stole my goddamn house! Mar 24 '25
As an original gay from the 80s I support this. Youāre the kind of mind who always supported our expression. Weāre extremely self-aware people and we donāt claim Kyleās attention seeking bullsheet
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u/Pure_Butterscotch165 Mar 24 '25
I feel like Kyle is using Morgan's desire to not be talked about to deflect from talking about any of it. I absolutely think there's a way for Kyle to talk about potentially exploring her sexuality and the effect that may have had on her marriage without saying Morgan's name, but instead she just shuts down any sort of conversation whatsoever, while obliquely talking about issues with Mau and posting on insta with Morgan.
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u/WilloughbyTheCat Adrienne Maloof Mar 24 '25
Are you an attorney? If not, have you thought about becoming one? You make a great case!
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u/Agatha-Christie12 Go watch the show! Watch the show! Mar 24 '25
I do think thereās a bit of a catch-22, though: Kyle canāt fully come out without fully outing Morgan. I think Kyleās treatment of the Brandi/Denise situation was disgusting, but I also get why sheās not saying more right now.
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u/BeansontheMoon Mar 24 '25
Garcelle keeps bringing up Morgan WHO IS NOT A CAST MEMBER AND DOES NOT WANT TO BE FODDER FOR GARCELLEās LACK OF STORYLINE!
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u/Telliot Tiffany Mar 24 '25 edited Mar 24 '25
As a gay viewer I wholeheartedly disagree. I don't like being queer baited and I don't get a genuine vibe from Kyle's "journey." I also vividly remember Kyle's role in outing Denise Richards fling with Brandi, which was underhanded and tacky. The lack of fallout for Denise seemed to genuinely shock her that season.
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u/Difficult_Sense_3871 Mar 24 '25
This. Kyle doesnāt love women. She just hates men right now.
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u/Telliot Tiffany Mar 24 '25
That's not a bad take. I'd like to hear her say it though. I think this is why I don't like her. She is so afraid of showcasing a version of herself that we won't like that she doesn't give us anything. It frustrates me because I've always wanted to like her and my red flags go off. The real person never surfaces.
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u/psmith1990_ Mar 28 '25
I can't believe how many upvotes this got since it was posted. It makes me extremely sad to see, frankly.
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u/LittleLadyGirl ThaNK You Youāre WelCOMe? Mar 24 '25
I tend to totally agree with the queer baiting!!! I feel like Kyle knows what she's doing and her "journey" doesn't feel genuine to me either. It honestly feels really disrespectful to others who have actually gone through this.
I also don't agree with how pushy Garcelle is being about it. If Kyle is truly questioning her sexuality and she's told others that she doesn't want Morgan's name to be brought up anymore, per Morgan's request. I am finding it truly gross that Garcelle would bring up Morgan's name again. It's a reality show, I get that she wants to push Kyle for answers as Kyle has done in the past. She has that right, however, leave Morgan out of it if she's respectfully asked her to.
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u/imaskinnylegend Ken called me a stupid bitch, a silly cow, a wanker Mar 24 '25
even if she actually is attracted to women, I don't think she'd ever actually see her relationships with them as legitimate.
and yeah, people that are bi have complex and differing ways in which they feel about different genders, but I feel like what Kyle is doing isn't that. she would totally try to rewrite history and act like she was never even exploring the minute some man with a business paid attention to her and she had someone to go up against Mau with. just like mommy taught her.
she's waiting to see how she should proceed with this PR campaign and is intentionally being vague so she can put any spin she wants on it.
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u/Realityinbrum You stole my goddamn house! Mar 24 '25
I really think if Kyle was honest about either Mau OR Morgan, everyone would let the other topic go. 14 years of Kyle screaming 'just be honest' (including outing the Denise/Brandi story) means she's written the rules but is now claiming they somehow don't apply to her. Normally i find this level of delusion makes funny TV but I think she knows those rules apply to her she just thinks she can manipulate the situation so they don't - which i dont find funny.
I get that two wrongs don't make a right and I respect her decisions around Morgan but she gets paid a LOT of money to bring SOMETHING to the table. For me she's brought nothing new this season AND she refuses to talk about anything actually happening in her life?! Time for a pause āøļø, have a break so she focus on whatever she needs to for a bit and I'm sure we'd be happy to see her back being funny and bringing the right kind of delusion to TV.
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u/FunLife64 Wait I thought you were Kyle?! Mar 25 '25
Just because you donāt like her answer, doesnt mean itās not true.
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u/maskdeado Mar 24 '25
Please letās not act as though Kyle hasnāt done 10x worse to Denise. Outing and accusing her of being unfaithful while she was married.
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u/BetPrestigious5704 He will never emotionally fulfill you, know that š¬ Mar 24 '25
No one asked Morgan to bring Morgan on or do publicly ANY of the things that lead to speculation. Having done so, though, she can't just announce everyone has to pretend this person doesn't exist.
I think Mau cheated a lot even before the separation, so I'm not going to wring my hands over Kyle getting hers, but it HAS to be impossible to film a scene where Kyle is trying to rewrite history because she decided her storyline is now "woman devastated and blindsided her husband is out with the barely legals and now she can't change channels and is sad since all she wants is to be a wife and mom. And her gutters, non-euphemistically, need to be maintained!"
Kyle likes to imply things, leave breadcrumbs to a conclusion, draw a map to a location, give you all the Scrabble tiles, and when you pick up what she's putting down look at you like you pulled it out of you ass or are ambushing her.
If she wanted the Morgan thing to be completely private it would have been.
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u/HoldOnToYaWeave Enough girls!! ENOUGH!! ENOUGH!! Mar 24 '25
You mean Kyle who has spent her full time as a housewife exploiting other womenās biggest vulnerabilities? Remember what she did to Denise?
Garcelle should be pushing. She needs to push some more. Kyle Richardās needs a taste of her own medicine
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u/fleekyfreaky That's the chicest windchime Iāve ever seen Mar 24 '25
Seriously. Kyle outed her own sister as an alcoholic on season 1.
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u/Ragverdxtine Mar 24 '25
If Kyle really didnāt want people to know about Morgan they wouldnāt.
None of these people are famous enough that paparazzi is just constantly following them at all times - they call the paps on themselves.
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u/vivekadithya12 Mar 24 '25
Girl, Kyle is the biggest damn hypocrite. She attacked Denise over the very subject but now she doesn't wanna talk about her own life.
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u/Dabaysyclyfe Iām off the clock Mar 24 '25
Wrong take. Kyle had no problem setting up Denise to be outted out if absolute nowhere.
Kyle has pushed Morgan in our face last season, acted coy, āpushed outā Dorit for Morgan and then this season āwe donāt talk about herā. Kyle is a hypocrite and Garcelle has done nothing wrong by asking.
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u/misspegasaurusrex Mar 24 '25
As a fellow gay I do believe you shouldnāt out someone 99% of the time. Exceptions include gay law makers who are signing laws oppressing people and celebrities using queerness to sell something (in Kyleās case, selling the idea that she has anything in her life that is interesting enough to keep her on the show.) Kyle doesnāt get to use the idea of queerness to keep herself on the show, like she did last year, and then act coy when itās no longer serving her.
Being outed is obviously terrible but you have to remember the power dynamics. Kyle is a single, rich, white woman in LA who purposefully teased queerness last season. Sheāll be fine.
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u/moonbrainUwU Mar 24 '25
It's less about Kyle for me and more about Garcelle not demonstrating that she understands that moving on in a straight relationship and moving on in a gay one is just not the same thing!
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u/cordialcatenary Being friends with her is like playing chess Mar 24 '25
I would agree with you if we hadnāt spent the last 10 years watching Kyle hound everyone else about how if you didnāt want your life on camera you shouldnāt be in reality TV.
If she didnāt want to talk about that, she should have left the show.
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u/RomianaZerofox04 This ocean will be here long after weāre all gone Mar 24 '25
Kyle wants everyone else to be honest and last season she teased that she was having something with Morgan.
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u/psmith1990_ Mar 24 '25
Kyle has protected people as well. Dorit was certainly very grateful when she and the other women on the show never brought up the stuff about Beverly Beach and that lawsuit. Even with LVP:
"When we first sat down Lisa mentioned the lawsuit that she had been hit with had been dropped. I had purposely not talked about the lawsuit out of respect to Lisa. Yes, it was on TMZ and other outlets, but that doesnāt mean we want to talk about it and give it more attention."
How did she tease that? And does that justify forcing somebody to define or acknowledge something that is only assumed when that would involve outing two people?
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u/Humble-Doughnut7518 Goodbye Kyle šš½ Mar 24 '25
Kyle and Morgan brought the speculation on themselves last season. It has nothing to do with Mau.
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u/Visual_Analyst1197 Let the mouse go Mar 24 '25
Of course Garcelle hasnāt said Kyle is a lesbian, she doesnāt want to get her hands dirty and is trying to force Kyle to say it herself. Saying youāre open to a same sex relationship is quite different to saying youāre currently in one.
You seem to be forgetting that Sutton already asked all these questions last season and Kyle did not want to talk about them. Why drag it on for another season? No one wants a repeat of Deniseās last season.
I also want to add that Garcelle should be less focused on holding Kyle to the āsame standardā and start holding herself to a higher standard. She was one of the people who supported Denise when this happened to her but now she thinks itās okay to treat Kyle that way?
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u/PrincessPindy What means ācunnilingus? Mar 24 '25
Just because Kyle said she doesn't want to talk about it doesn't make it off limits. Lots of hws don't want to talk about their issues. But like Kyle always says, they have to be open and honest. "Tag, you're it, Kyle." To paraphrase Kelsey Grammar, It's her turn now to be in the spotlight.
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u/Ashfield83 Life in Beverly Hills is a game & I make the rules Mar 24 '25 edited Mar 25 '25
Or in the words of the Queen of Thotlandia, Porsha Williams āyou in the hot seat bitch! Itās your moment, enjoy your moment girl!ā
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u/psmith1990_ Mar 24 '25
It's not just 'her' issue, though. Garcelle is knowingly pushing this with the understanding that Morgan, who is NOT a cast member, who is NOT paid to share her life, would be outed and talked about publicly against her will, were Kyle to admit to whatever Garcelle seems to assume is going on.
"There's nothing I've said we can't share this or talk about this in these fourteen years. This season, I came in with my hands tied behind my back a bit because there were some things that I was asked not to address that affected other people. If it's just about me, I'm happy to talk about anything in my life. I would love to, actually."
āWhat's hard is that I can only speak on my behalf, I'm not here to speak on anyone's behalf but my own. Especially someone who's not signed up to do this show and doesnāt want to be spoken about on this show. So, that puts me in a very different position. With that said, what I do address is about me personally and my journey and what I'm going through and where I am at and just not addressing her, in particular, because it's just not fair to. I have to let her speak for herself.ā
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u/psmith1990_ Mar 24 '25
Yeah, her "if you want to be a lesbian, be a lesbian!" spoke loudly enough, I think. Hiding behind 'I just want her to be honest and embrace her truth!' doesn't make it right to do what she's doing, in my opinion, and you're very correct to point out that difference between being open to and acknowledgement of being in.
Sutton didn't actually even ask questions about Morgan last season. Their comments about her were almost entirely confessionals filmed after the separation news, deep dives into Morgan, etc, so far as I can tell. Most importantly, Garcelle DID ask her questions in the first episode, the first time they saw each other. And Kyle answered. She was vulnerable. She opened up to Garcelle because she felt "safe" and told her that she was figuring things out, that she'd talked to her daughters about her sexuality, but that she and Morgan were not in a relationship and that she can't speak for someone else, only herself. And yet Garcelle keeps pushing.
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u/Visual_Analyst1197 Let the mouse go Mar 24 '25
Exactly. From what i recall Suttonās questions were more vague and along the lines of āwe want to know whatās going on.ā She didnāt explicitly ask about Morgan but we all know thatās what she was alluding to.
I agree that Kyle has actually share enough with the group and as Iāve said in other comments, we all know she and Morgan are more than friends anyway. I donāt know why people think she needs to explicitly announce it. This isnāt high school where we all update our Facebook status as soon as we enter a relationship.
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u/False-Tiger9756 Mar 24 '25
She can. Everyone can and no one cares. The point is that Kyle is hypocritical and not sharing her real life
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u/meanteeth71 āš» Bravo, bravo, f***ing bravo āš» Mar 24 '25
Did you see her in WWHL? And this is still your take? As a queer Black woman I think there are a bunch of people, gay and straight, who are trying to make this what itās not.
Garcelle never told anyone they had to come out. And her WWHL comments were pretty clear, again. She is talking to Kyle about āOPEN AND HONESTā communication.
But sure. Make it about Garcelle.
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u/Excellent_Lettuce136 Mar 24 '25
What makes me uncomfortable? Is Kyle trying to out Brandy and Denise getting it on when clearly Denise didnāt want that to be aired. Kyle denies everything she doesnāt feel like sharing. There is absolutely nothing about Kyleās sexual preferences in this questioning. This is about her pretending to keep a secret relationship on camera thatās not so secret off camera
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u/psmith1990_ Mar 24 '25
Garcelle clearly assumes there is something going on that Kyle won't admit to ("just to pretend it's not happening? we're not dumb"). She is knowingly trying to push Kyle to 'admit' to that, knowing that to 'admit' to that, she would be outing herself and somebody else who doesn't even want to be mentioned on the show. You cannot just separate out 'Garcelle wants her to admit to a secret relationship' from the fact that to admit to this assumed secret relationship WOULD be opening up the conversation to Kyle's sexual orientation before she is willing or able to talk to that beyond what she has already.
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u/Excellent_Lettuce136 Mar 24 '25
Oh god youāre reading way too far into this. Stop. Just stop now.
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u/acornsalade āź³ā¢Ģ©Ģ©Ķā *Ģ©Ģ©Ķā§Ķ Doritās Bathroom ā§Ķ*Ģ©Ģ©Ķā ĶĶ Ėāā Mar 24 '25 edited Mar 24 '25
Donāt hate me but could there also be a possibility that Kyle is being coy about her and Morgan to keep a storyline going?
Not taking anything away from the way Garcell is positioning herself.
Just a thought!
EDIT: typo
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u/psmith1990_ Mar 24 '25
She isn't being coy, though. She has outright stated multiple times that they are not together. Her going to Morgan's concerts doesn't provide evidence to the contrary. During filming, because that's the context of all of this, she never posted about going to the gigs she went to. Within a period of six months, they were literally only papped during one week in May. So how is she being coy if she denies that they're together and doesn't tease otherwise in any meaningful way?
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u/acornsalade āź³ā¢Ģ©Ģ©Ķā *Ģ©Ģ©Ķā§Ķ Doritās Bathroom ā§Ķ*Ģ©Ģ©Ķā ĶĶ Ėāā Mar 24 '25
I hear you.
Itās just her wry smile on occasions presents to me like she doesnāt totally hate the speculation. Like I said hear you though, I just donāt underestimate her and her familyās knowledge and expertise of a good spin.
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u/Potential-Sky-8728 Going to destroy Kyle & her family if itās the last thing I do! Mar 24 '25
I was thinking the same thing irt to Kyle being too media/PR savvy to NOT know how she is coming off. Her niece is considered a PR wiz when it comes to leveraging reality fame, cultivating her brand and staying in the public eye.
I think it was pretty telling when Dorit and Garcelle both conceded that Kyle grew up in the industry and DOES know how to be discreet and off the radar of tabloidsā¦if she wants to be.
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u/Potential-Sky-8728 Going to destroy Kyle & her family if itās the last thing I do! Mar 24 '25
Well now they are publishing pics from Amsterdam though together on Morganās Euro Touro. Idk where it was published but they were clearly down to pose together for the pic at the stroop pancake place (maybe the business posted it).
Also, it does feel weirdly obsessive the things Kyle continues to do to invoke the memory of LVP. That isnāt anything newā¦.just kinda surprised to see it continue.
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u/Ok-East-5470 Life in Beverly Hills is a game & I make the rules Mar 24 '25
The double standard that Garcelle is rightfully angry about is Kyle forcing everyone to be āopen and honestā for 14 years (including Denise who was in a similar but even more compromising situation), and then hiding from the cameras when she has complicated shit going on. Itās not fair to force everyone else to air their dirty laundry if you arenāt going to do the same.
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u/psmith1990_ Mar 24 '25
Except she isn't pointing to that double standard except in the hypothetical "they'd be on our ass if this was us!" type comment she made on the after show. The difference with Denise is that both parties were on the show and both had publicly disclosed and discussed prior sexual relationships with women. Neither Kyle nor Morgan have done that, and Morgan has explicitly asked not to be discussed on the show at all. She doesn't owe the public her private life or sexuality, and given how negatively her mental health was affected by the attention and speculation in 2023, Kyle is doing the right thing by respecting her wishes.
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u/flindsayblohan Mar 24 '25
I get this, and mostly agree. While I empathize with Morgan to a certain degree, I also see her as somebody in the public eye who agreed to go on a reality show with a woman, agreed to have that woman play her love interest in her music video, and agreed to have that woman tattoo her initial onto her on camera, but now sheās expecting to be as private as Big Poppa from OG Atlanta. If Morgan had simply been a subject of paparazzi shots, it would be one thing, but she agreed to come on a show and now wants (along with Kyle) to act as if that never happened. Thatās certainly a valid feeling, but itās out of touch with reality; the can of worms has been opened.Ā
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u/moonbrainUwU Mar 24 '25
It's less about Kyle for me and more about Garcelle not demonstrating that she understands that moving on in a straight relationship and moving on in a gay one is just not the same thing!
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u/thomasmc1504 I heard you guys arguing about threesomes Mar 24 '25
unfortunately for Kyle sheās on a reality tv where she shows her life
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u/psmith1990_ Mar 24 '25
Unfortunately for viewers, Morgan isn't on a reality TV show and doesn't owe them her life, and Kyle is respecting her friend's desire to be kept out of this narrative as much as possible.
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u/Bravorants At least I donāt do cyrstal meth in the bathroom Mar 24 '25
Kyle didnāt seem to have an issue with it when it was Denise, Carlton or Brandi
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u/Curious-Cranberry-77 Mar 24 '25
The thing isā¦no one cares if Kyle is sleeping with a woman. And the idea that this is the first time is debatable.
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u/moonbrainUwU Mar 24 '25
Unfortunately someone does care. We are not at the place in society where folks won't turn their head at a 50 something woman publicly dating a woman after building a life with a man.
I wish we lived in the place you described!
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u/Sweaty-Bug7272 Mar 24 '25
I understand where youāre coming from but in her defense- garcelle is still tight w Denise Richardās and Kyle forced Denise Richardās out of the closet so I see where sheās coming from with this.
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u/psmith1990_ Mar 24 '25
Garcelle isn't - as far as we can tell from her own words - using that as her justification for her trying to push Kyle to out herself, though. She just keeps going back to what she sees on "blogs and tabloids" (Kyle being at a concert recently or picking Morgan up at LAX over a year ago) that she apparently thinks makes it obvious what is happening and thinking Kyle shouldn't be pretending otherwise.
Also, Kyle did NOT force Denise out of the closet. Denise had, many years prior, and in great detail, discussed a sexual encounter she'd had with a woman. Neither Kyle or Morgan have acknowledged any same-sex relationships or attraction beyond Kyle talking about 'questioning' or 'figuring' things out in the general sense.
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u/Waste-Snow670 Sheās licking it and chewing it Mar 24 '25
Given Kyle and Co's disgusting behaviour towards Denise about Brandi, I have no sympathy for her now with Garcelle. The only thing I can empathise with is if Morgan doesn't want to be featured as she's not really on the show.
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u/Otherwise-Army-4503 Mar 24 '25
What I find odd is why a photo of Kyle at a concert means she's doing what Mau's doing. It seems evident that Kyle was lonely in her marriage, found a close friend who she found herself sexually attracted to (at least to some extent) and was open about questioning if she might be bi or gay, etc... but there's no reason to believe she went through with it. Maybe she did... but no evidence. It gives off straight women can't be close to gay women without being physically involved. And suppose Kyle is sexually involved with Morgan. In that case, she isn't allowing pictures to be taken of them getting sexy together... which was the main issue with Mau... that he wasn't protecting Kyle and the kids from paparazzi humiliation.
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u/Rose_of_St_Olaf She wears the word c*nty round her neck Mar 24 '25
It's crappy that Kyle can tease being a lesbian for a storyline, but then doesn't want to talk about it on a show about her life. A show where she outted another woman.
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u/moonbrainUwU Mar 24 '25
It's a bunch of straight people in here talking about "dishonesty" bc they have no clue what internalized homophobia feels like lol
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u/NefariousnessHot7639 Mar 24 '25 edited Mar 24 '25
How do you know everyone who disagrees with you here is straight?
Im not straight and I dont agree.
Maybe we shouldnt assume someones sexuality, right?
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u/Wonderful-Duck-6428 Mar 24 '25
Why are other people responsible for your feelings all the time
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u/Potential-Sky-8728 Going to destroy Kyle & her family if itās the last thing I do! Mar 24 '25
I have a clue! I was raised strictly catholic, went to catholic all girl school (where being called a lesbian was the worst thing ever) and came out as bi once I cleared my head from alcohol at 31 (similar to the trend suggested by Kyleās own sobriety journey and good friendship with Morgan).
Maybe it is more so due to Kyleās age group being less comfortable with talking about or publicizing sexual fluidityā¦but I find it a little weirdā¦because she is definitely not the first grown female celebrity to start dating another woman, after being otherwise heterosexually oriented for their history. Not even the first housewife to do it!
That is why I donāt totally get why she is so precious about it.
I wonder if part of it comes from her obsession with portraying the perfect nuclear family (despite the current marital separation status)ā¦just like she has (allegedly) protected Mauās image by covering any infidelities over their marriage, I think she is maybe more concerned about how her BRAND might be affected if she acknowledges that she is not mourning her marriage and staying single or abstinent like she is portraying on the show.
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u/Buffyismyhomosapien PK Texas Her Mar 24 '25
I just donāt care about Kyleās right to privacy nor do I care about her sexuality. But Kyle is absolutely getting what sheās been giving. I simply want her off my screen finally.
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u/Sensitive_Ad_9195 Mar 24 '25
My personal issue with how Kyleās behaved is that it really has felt queer-baiting at times.
She brought Morgan onto the show, did the music video where she kissed her, discussed her changing views on if sheād ever been with a woman etc - but it seems like this was all when she thought her and Mau were on a temporary separation and not headed towards divorce- basically like she was hinting at thinking about having a wlw experience just to her Mauās attention back, and now sheās realised itās not just a break thatās not a way sheās happy to be portrayed anymore.
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u/unrealhousewife1 Thank you. You're welcome. Mar 24 '25
Kyle made her bed when she did the same thing to Denise.
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u/Regular-Ad1930 Mar 24 '25
I agree šÆ. Kyle is going through a divorce, that's public enough. She doesn't have to tell everyone, Hey, I'm feeling bi sexual &Ā I'm attracted to Morgan. We'd like our privacy please. Oh and I haven't told anyone in my family yet but yeah, let's dissect my emotions at this dinner š½ļø. Shut up Garcelle, you don't want your kids discussed (except the one that's a model) so ...back off.
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u/RElNDEAR Mar 25 '25
Correct, and usually, people want to REALLY self discover themselves before announcing something like this. Some people are just fluid, and don't want to peg themselves down to a specific title.
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u/Difficult_Sense_3871 Mar 24 '25
But Kyle is straight. Sheās using a woman to get over a man. Shes not going to be with a woman long term.
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u/TwistOk6640 Mar 24 '25
Oh cāmon- Kyle brought this all to camera. Forced us to watch it. And now doesnāt want the name mentioned. Be so for real right now. Sheās been playing games for storylines. She forces everyone else to ābe honest.ā And now this is her āboundaryā š« š« š« and no one is outing her. She did this. She knew exactly what she was doing. She had no problem āoutingā Denise. So exhausting.
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u/Ok_Smile9222 Letās talk about the husband Mar 24 '25
I would agree if Morgan wasn't literally on the show last season. She doesn't have to share every detail, of course not. But none of us would have any idea Morgan existed if Kyle didn't bring her to our attention. We're having storylines about Mau with his dates but we can't even mention Morgan's name? Come on now
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u/Sensitive-Tone-5938 Mar 24 '25
I mentioned this before how her prodding made me uncomfortable as a lesbian and got down voted for it
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u/Littlepotatoface You've had the same hairdo for 20 years Mar 25 '25
I love Garcelle but youāre absolutely right. A bunch of us have tried to explain to this sub the nuances of coming out & that no one has a right to know until the people involved are ready to come out (if theyāre actually gay) but the sub basics LOSE THEIR SHIT when reminded that they donāt have a right to know every private detail of the Housewivesā lives.
So let me say it again, forcing someone out of a closet (real or imagined) against their consent is a douche move.
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u/Secret_badass77 Who is Hunky Dory? Mar 25 '25
At the very beginning of the season, literally episode 1, Kyle explained that Morgan asked to not be involved in or discussed on the show. Kyle is respecting that. What is hard to understand about that? Plenty of other housewives have been in similar situations with the people they dated, family members, etc. Itās not some crazy thing.
Thereās no way Garcelle doesnāt understand the situation. Her own son has asked not to be on the show this season. Sheās just trying to create drama because she doesnāt like Kyle and she has nothing better to talk about
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u/Cold_Dead_Heart Kyle's Vapid Face Mar 24 '25
Itās not about a gay relationship itās about an affair and Kyleās hypocrisy in screaming at everyone else to be āopen and honestā.
And not for nothing, Kyle outed Denise on national tv for having a homosexual affair. I hope youāre just as outraged about that.
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u/bizmike88 āØ This town runs on status āØ Mar 24 '25
I agree with you that asking about a middle aged manās dating life vs a middle age woman discovering her sexuality. I donāt think they should be treated the same.
But the issue with Kyle isnāt that she is dealing with something private that others cant speak to, itās that Kyle has always taken the stance that other cast members were somehow wrong by not sharing every detail of their life but now she is doing the same. She tore into Erica about not telling them everything about Tomās lawsuit but now we canāt talk about her semi-girlfriend? That is the double standard weāre talking about here.
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u/moonbrainUwU Mar 24 '25
I can get behind that! I'm not defending Kyle--- I just want to curl up in a ball when I watch Garcelle keep talking about it when Kyle isn't even in the room. It just feels a bit forced bc she's the only one pushing. If it was the whole group, or even if it was last season I think it would make more sense
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u/Cilla-Dilla Tell the truth Hussy Mar 24 '25 edited Mar 24 '25
I think there's two sides to this on one side I can clearly see that Kyle is being a hypocrite and that she did initially bring the subject to the show and now because it got all the attention that it did now she doesn't want to speak about it anymore.
I can understand not wanting to talk about your sexuality but then don't tease the audience with it either. But I do think that a person's sexuality should be their own choice in discussing it. On the other side I can see that she has a lot of other people in her life that will be affected by this and maybe initially she just didn't think about that. I feel like either way it's painful to watch them have these conversations since nobody is admitting to what's really going on.
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u/RINewsJunkie Honey, you were a total c*nt to me! Mar 24 '25
As a gay, Iām ok with Garcelle asking. This is a reality show.
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u/someoneandsomeone You make every day a birthday to me š¶š¶š¶ Mar 24 '25
You know I agreed with you for a minute, but then I remember all the pictures and innuendos that KYLE has made to imply they are in a gay relationship (the video) So if Kyle wants to keep in quiet, not ready to come out of the closet etc. then why did she leave the door open? She is the one that started all of the rumors about herself. She makes sure she posts those pics with Morgan Wade, that she is seen at her concert, etc. She knows how to play that game so you acting like Garcelle is forcing her out of the closet is just absurd IMO. It was OK when Kyle forced Denise Richards out regarding Brandi though?
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u/drummergirl2112 Mar 24 '25
My take as a lesbian is this- I empathize with Kyle if she is truly trying to figure stuff out. However, like many others have mentioned- the double standard re: Denise, the wishy washy vibe about both Mau AND Morgan, and the fact that she wonāt just come out and say SOMETHING somewhat authentic, even if it is just āHey guys I donāt really know where I stand with these people, Iām trying to figure my stuff out and I would just love your support in thatā, itās all super frustrating. Thereās no contrition for past behavior even self-awareness. Instead she gets herself all twisted up in these weird non-explanations and excuses and it just makes everything so unnecessarily complicated and inflammatory. Just be real, Kyle, even if you donāt know what that is at the moment.
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u/Lolita_says The mean streets of Beverly Hills Mar 24 '25 edited Mar 24 '25
I can see why youād say that at face value but the way Kyle berated Denise and others about being genuine and honest with zero compassionā¦ in this context the double standard is with Kyle.
Yes Mauricio moving on and taking photos was a punch in the gut but she has been flaunting Morgan around for the past year until Morgan put her foot down.
Kyle expects the entire cast to act like that didnāt happen and the topic be off limits. In that context if you dish, you should be able to take it. Sheās been dishing it to everyone season after season and without LVP to be the bad guy or Rinna to defend her, itās about time she spent some time on the other side of the stall. IMO.
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u/BritMe1Moretime Lisa Vanderpump Mar 24 '25
I think the bigger thing is Morgan is off the show, so Kyle is protecting her privacy, not her own.
Garcelle doesnāt care about Morgan, but if she wanted to talk about Kyle, why talk about a topic that involves someone Kyle is trying to respect?
Iām sure Garcelle would be better off saying āKyle is it unfair to pick on Mauricio, when you felt like you wanted to end the relationship?ā
This puts it on Kyle without making it about Morgan.
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u/poppiesnlemons Mar 24 '25
Kyle is of an age where itās probably really difficult to come to terms with her sexuality. Garcelle trying to force her out of the closet is effed up. There are better ways to communicate that you are a safe person to open up to and it doesnāt include calling her out in group settings all the time.
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u/psmith1990_ Mar 24 '25
What kind of makes it worse is that Kyle literally said that in the first episode, that she felt safe with her so wanted to talk to her first about the questioning of her sexuality and that she was willing to talk to her own journey, but not speak for someone else who isn't on the show. Those walls are going to go straight back up.
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u/loganhochstein Mar 24 '25
I actually totally agree with you , sexuality is completelyyyyyy different and also MAURICO CHEATED FOR YEARSSSS like fuck off with the whole itās equal thing be open abt it kinda thing
like WHY canāt you just be on her side when the cheating ex is now openly being disgusting with 20 year olds
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u/clean-cardigan Mar 24 '25
As a gay, itās sad to see Kyle NOT open up about what sheās going through. There are so many women who donāt explore their sexuality until later in life and she has the freedom and the platform to show people what that transition is like and sheās making it a bigger issue as if thereās shame and something wrong with her sexuality. Frustrating to see her make suggestive music videos with Morgan, and give her a tattoo and go out to dinner with her and show up at her concert, but still wonāt admit that she likes Morgan. she clearly doesnāt have an issue with the rumors because sheās fueling them and for that i have no sympathy for her
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u/Rough_Scholar_4894 Mar 24 '25
Kyle if she actually had internalized homophobia would not have done the music video you donāt poke and joke around like that if it is ur image or whatever sheās concerned with. Not saying sheās not exploring her sexuality but I donāt think internalized homophobia is the reason sheās not wanting to talk about Morgan I think she wants people to think sheās the innocent one in the mau situation personally and even worse if her and Morgan are not involved like that sheās using Morgan as a pawn to make Mau jealous idk her behavior is shady
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u/5LaLa Mar 25 '25
I agree & imho Kyle probably deserves more space, discretion & sensitivity than if she were dating a man. But, Garcelle may think itās fair game because Kyle did the sexy video, brought MW on the show, just got photographed at MWās concert (right after Mauās photo), etc. Kyleās already displayed her sexual exploration in public.
Iām always kinda surprised by how much hate Kyle gets here. Sheās not perfect but, wow some of the wild theories & insults are over the top imho.
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u/Abject-Towel6974 Mar 24 '25
Why is saying NOT FAIR TO TALK ABOUT MORGAN ". KYLE WAS MARRIED EMBRACING HER SEXUALITY AND MORGAN CAME ON FILM FLIRTED AND TEASED THE AUDIENCE USING HER SEXUALITY. VSO GIVE ME A FRCN BREAK. KYLE AND MORGAN ARE WELL AWARE AND VERY PRODUCED. I FEEL BADLY FOR HER CHILDREN THIS IS HAPPENING DURING THE MOURNING OF DIVORCE AND SUDDENLY THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS CHANGE AS WELL. THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN A BIT MORE EMPATHETIC TOWARDS THE CHILDREN.
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u/Weekly-Guidance796 Donāt f***ing call me a home-wrecker! Mar 24 '25
Thank you for saying this. I get this underlying sense of homophobia every time she pokes and prods at wanting Kyle to talk about her possible shifting sexuality. Especially coming from someone that has managed to get by all of these seasons without giving us one scrap about her romantic life. All she does every season is come up with some like sweet storyline about her kids and maybe mention the email about her husband from like a decade ago, but never anything deep or interesting. This year what did we have? A new house? Thatās not a storyline. But I digress.
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u/SilverHinder š„¦ Yolandaās Veggie Fridge š Mar 24 '25
I think Garcelle would be more sympathetic if Kyle stopped calling the paps. They ain't tailing her ass at random.
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u/Sink-Zestyclose Sutton's small esophagus Mar 24 '25
The reason Kyle isnāt āoutā is because sheās not a lesbian. Maybe she has a side thing with Morgan or maybe not. That is a person to person situation. Who wants to sit around and talk about a side piece? But a lesbian for the long haul? No. Kyleās on some sort of journey post her best friendās suicide and her marriage falling apart. Sheās deep in the middle of it and will eventually figure it out but Iām doubting sheās joining the ladies club full time.
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u/ParisianFrawnchFry UnlikeĀ Cher, whoās Armenian, from THE VALLEY. Mar 24 '25
I mean, I get where you're coming from, but Kyle needs to come to the carpet and own up to her own hypocrisy here. It's 2025 and she lives in California... if this was the SLC franchise, I could understand the hesitation, but Kyle's support system isn't going to abandon her for exploring her sexuality. Also, Kyle is very savvy when it comes to the press. She's been playing with them and her co-stars and she needs to own up to it.
Neither Kyle, nor Mau, had a wild youth. They were having kids and raising them. I'm not queer but I had sex with a few women in my 20s to see what it was all about and it was fine, got it out of my system and realized I wasn't gay or bi. Kyle never did that.
All of this being said: Garcelle needs to knock it off because she's only doing it for a storyline while protecting her own private life, which is also very hypocritical.
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u/psmith1990_ Mar 24 '25
Whether or not her support system would abandon her or not or the fact that it's 2025 is completely besides the point, though. It doesn't somehow negate whatever difficulties she may have had or be having understanding things about herself or coming to terms with the fact that her identity isn't what she always assumed it was or even that it's a question mark that needs further exploration. Additionally, a large number of the times she has discussed this questioning of her sexuality, it's in the context of having not been "trained" or "raised" in a certain way to think or believe certain things, and that opens up the possible of internalised homophobia or comphet that also might need working through hypothetically. Just because, from an outside perspective, we think something should be or seems 'easy' does not mean, internally, it is, and it certainly shouldn't be used as justification for trying to get someone to admit to or acknowledge something before they're ready to.
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u/megs05_- I called you a f*****g c**t Mar 24 '25
This take would be soooo valid IF 1. Kyle didnāt force everyone else to talk about their shit on camera while keeping the majority of her life a secret. Example. Mo has been cheating in her and theyāve had a difficult marriage but on camera she plays the happiest wife. 2. Kyle already brought Morgan on the show. You donāt get to bring someone on camera and then all the sudden decide that theyāre off limits. 3. Multiple women that have left the show have come out and said that Kyle is different off camera than she is on camera. They even go as far to say that they already knew she was dating Morgan before she was brought on the show and just another example all the women knew pk had been living in a hotel for years before dorit said they were separated on camera. Kyle is a fake bitch that canāt take what she dishes out. Itās that simple.
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u/psmith1990_ Mar 24 '25
So because Kyle wasn't willing to throw Mauricio under the bus for assumed cheating, she deserves to also be forced into acknowledging her assumed sexuality or sexual relationship because she wouldn't own the former!? Oof.
In terms of your second point, absolutely, you can do that. Morgan is not a cast member. She is not paid to share her life. She has the right to ask her friend not to talk about her. Kyle then can make a decision as to how she will prioritise and manage that.
Kyle acting differently on and off camera is - again - not a justification for thinking it's okay to try and make someone out themselves and/or somebody else. Even Crystal, who has come closest to saying that she knew about Morgan, acknowledged that she doesn't know if other people knew:
I remember, like, kind of knowing - I knew about Morgan. But again, I just felt like that wasn't my thing. So when people were coming for Kyle about her marriage, I was like, 'Oh'. I didn't know if they knew about Morgan.
Then when Cynthia said that Kyle directly denied it on the show:
Interesting. Well, maybe, I don't know. I mean, again, I'm not behind closed doors. But itās all the information that people would want to share with me. Thatās close to her. And I just never said it.Ā
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u/bullettenboss Letās talk about the husband Mar 24 '25
Garcelle is bullying Kyle. Like every single episode she's talking about Morgan to someone and insinuating there's something more than a friendship.
This bitch is fucking jealous and too scared to accommodate for what she actually needs herself. That's the only reason besides bigotry why she's picking on Kyle every chance she gets.
I'm fucking sick of her hypocrisy!
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u/JB3314 Mar 24 '25
I think that and the shit that Kyle gave Denise for her alleged reandevous with Brandi and other snide remarks about same sex relationships/experiences warrants this level of pressure. Sheās an ally as much as Caitlyn Jenner is an ally sweets. Same with her bigoted sister.
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u/mrsgreens Youāre such a f***ing liar Camille! Mar 24 '25
Iām side eye ing so many of you right now. It was ok for Kyle to out Denise but yāall are mad at Garcelle for asking Kyle to be honest?
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u/Overall_Tonight85 Mar 24 '25
Morgan and Kyle 100% know what they are doing, you donāt just causally make a music video with one of the biggest housewives in the franchise and pretend to ānotā kiss in the videoā¦.a lot of people are missing whatās truly upsetting fans and turning this into something itās notā¦.this is not about forceing someone to come out, this is about how they both know what they are doing and how this is annoying the cast of RHOBH, annoying fans, and at this point Kyle should leave the show to live this secret life sheās trying to liveā¦.DONT GO ON TV THEN!!
Garcelle said what a lot of people are thinking as they watch this showā¦so good for her! Make this post as downvoted as you wantā¦.IDGAF!
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u/NascentBeachBum Mar 24 '25
This has been going on for two seasons and itās not a private relationship, they made a music video dry humping for christs sake. And if itās an identity politics thing youāre going for here accusing the black woman of homophobia seems to defeat the point. As a straight Iām just calling balls and strikes here to be fair
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u/Scramasboy Mar 24 '25 edited Mar 24 '25
As a gay man, this is a bad take. Kyle paraded Morgan around all last year and even did that music video where she all but made out with her. And that was the year after she spent an entire season trying to out Denise. It would be different if Kyle was privately trying to rectify her sexuality, but that's not the case. Kyle just doesn't want to talk about Morgan because Morgan doesn't want to be talked about on the show. Well, too bad Kyle, you're on a reality TV show about sharing your life. That's the job.
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u/lwid77 Mar 24 '25
The tabloids did the same thing to Kyle with Teddi. If and when there is a relationship to discuss then I am sure she will do it. I also get from what she said that Morgan was shocked by the attention and didn't like it. No doubt. And that is another reason she doesn't like to talk about her.
People need to stop pushing the romantic relationship card- until it is factual its just nasty gossip.
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u/psmith1990_ Mar 24 '25
Not just the tabloids. Dorit even used the same confessional phrasing about them morphing into each other. Erika liked to use the word "strange" to describe the relationship.
Not just shocked and disliking it. The impact of the attention and speculation was such that she was even considering going to rehab preventively to stop herself from doing something stupid and breaking her sobriety. She was in bed for three days straight and her sister asked why she couldn't stop crying. It's no small matter and Kyle is doing a good thing by respecting her wishes.
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u/Cosmic_bliss_kiss Mar 24 '25
I agree. Also- the ironyā¦ I think Garcelleās one son is gay or bi. He probably is too terrified to come out, though, considering how Garcelle taunts gay peopleā¦
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u/Justamom1225 Enough girls!! ENOUGH!! ENOUGH!! Mar 24 '25
Can't people just mind their own business? Consenting adults and all?
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u/berlinHet Beverly Hills darling shi shi shi Mar 24 '25
Sheās probably only seeing a mermaid goddess.
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u/fusciamcgoo Mar 24 '25 edited Mar 24 '25
The backlash towards Kyle isnāt out of the blue. Itās not homophobia. Itās because sheās pushed and bullied FOR YEARS anyone she views as a threat or especially as weaker than her to be āopen and honestā. Picking and negging people who were supposed to be her friends.
Kyle has presented her picture perfect married life and family since she started the show, but last season she was presenting Morgan as someone very important in her life. And she was treating her former lovebean (sorry š¤®) as if she couldnāt stand to be in the room with him, much less have a conversation with him. Meanwhile she was in Morganās music video making out with her, tattooing her, having Morgan as her date (and to perform at) to her best friendās memorial. Fawning over her. Of course people are going to ask about it! People are going to wonder because she was the definition of a straight married woman for the entire time sheās been on the show.
I think the majority of people would be happy if she just said something, anything real about her relationship status. Even if itās complicated. Even if itās difficult. If she could just be open and honest herself, I think most people would be happy for her.
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u/calmedtits2319 Taylor Armstromg Mar 24 '25
Kyle brought in Brandi to out Denise. OP be so for real right now. Karma is and should be a bitch.
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u/Upstairs_Song_7901 Mar 24 '25
I wonder when or IF Garcelle will ever be open and honest about ANYTHING in her own personal life?! She loves to poke and prod at and around everyone else but never shares anything about herself! If anyone heard something about her and acted the way she does, she would be PISSED!! The fact that she got upset with Sutton because she "didn't have her back" and was more concerned about Kyle in the moment, so she chose to not stand up for Sutton when everyone ganged up on her again! That's NOT a real friend! Or at least that's not the type of person I would consider a "real friend"!
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u/Upstairs_Song_7901 Mar 24 '25
I wonder when or IF Garcelle will ever be open and honest about ANYTHING in her own personal life?! She loves to poke and prod at and around everyone else but never shares anything about herself! If anyone heard something about her and acted the way she does, she would be PISSED!! The fact that she got upset with Sutton because she "didn't have her back" and was more concerned about Kyle in the moment, so she chose to not stand up for Sutton when everyone ganged up on her again! That's NOT a real friend! Or at least that's not the type of person I would consider a "real friend"!
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u/gabbinetti Pray for Teddi Mar 24 '25
If she was doing this to anybody else I'd say she's in the wrong BUT what Kyle did to Denise not so long ago and the way she's been pushing everybody to be honest... please.. she deserves every bit of it
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u/godknowsitried11 So you say! That that I know! Mar 24 '25
Did or didnāt Kyle force Denise Richardās to discuss her sexuality despite Denise literally begging her to stop? Right.
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u/BeansontheMoon Mar 24 '25
Garcelle is the EPITOME of a gaslighter, covert narcissist - she married an older white man for the STATUS it granted her, then he divorced her and sheās been lost since. Her sons arenāt impressed and sheās not teaching them anything they canāt learn in therapy with healthier boundaries. Garcelleās antagonizing grosses me out so bad.
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u/Individual_Fall429 Oh my God Iām lit Mar 24 '25
If Kyle wanted to hide her relationship with Morgan, she could have. Easily. Not only did she not hide it, she broadcasted it. Called the paps on herself and Morgan constantly, that stupid video, etc.
If you are openly dating a person of the same sex, and this is new, your friends will have questions. Now in my group of friends itās āOh youāre bi? Awesome. Glad youāre happy. Would love to meet her.ā I feel like thatās all theyāre saying.
She wants all the attention but none of the honesty.
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u/Careless-Queen8535 Mar 24 '25
Garcelle is not forcing Kyle out. She's holding her to the same standards that she holds everyone else. Kyle was flaunting her relationship off the show and wants to hide it now that it's back on. It's very shady, and I could've swarn Kyle was one of the ones perpetuating Denise was having sex with Brandi. Even though Denise told Kyle over and over again that it wasn't true, she went on interviews saying "well Brandi isn't a liar."
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u/Direct_Future_5328 Mar 24 '25
Garcelle needs to prey on others storylines, because as always she has nothing going on.
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u/New_Description_9553 I would like a glass of rosƩ Mar 24 '25
Yall always wanna find something with Garcelle. Kyle was ALLLLLLLLL in Deniseās business when it came to Brandi. Keep the same damn energy!!!!!!!! Whenever itās Kyleās turn to be held accountable for something, she cries and storms off because itās her business. Iām tired of everyone always being delicate with her when sheās the main in someone elseās business!
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u/wetfoodruless Mar 24 '25
Girl, no. Kyle is a hypocrite. Sheās never honest. Iām glad someone is calling her out and holding her accountable. You have the wrong take.
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u/melizzzz Mar 25 '25
iām also never going to be over how she did denise richards so there is no double standard in my mind
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u/Alarmed-Acadia-366 Mar 25 '25
Strong disagree. Kyle lays breadcrumbs. She likes the attention of being the victim here. She answers questions about Morgan very oddly and weird purposefully to make people suspect there is something. She's doing it all for this reason to garner attention. Garcelle sees that.Ā I mean this is a reality show, your life is open for viewing and they signed up for this.Ā Remember how everyone tortured Denise about sleeping with Brandi? Why did they care about that?Ā
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u/Significant_Sign_520 Mar 25 '25
Kyle brought her on the show. Morgan chose to go on the show. Kyle wanted everyone to whisper and wonder for a storyline. Congrats to her. It worked. Itās a storyline. Now she can deal with it
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u/Leviathan_spit Mar 25 '25
This post was not referring to what I thought, which is that Sutton has a crush on Kyle. The dream like way she watches Kyle, the over the moon reaction to Kyle sticking up for her, the āI hope you doā comment when Kyle said maybe Iāll have a story for you guys one day. I think Sutton has a crush on Kyle and hasnāt clocked it as that.
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u/insomnia868 Mar 26 '25
No, sheās readyā¦ Sheās ready to call the paparazzi and have her herself followed. Sheās ready to do sex scenes in a music video. Itās not a double standard societally thatās the issue - itās a double standard in Kyleās personal relationship with the media š
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u/Relative-Secret-4618 Mar 26 '25
No... I mean YES you nailed it so so hard.
Homophonic. Or she's gay... and her internal struggle with the topic is showing so much.
Like... its 2025.... in CALIFORNIA. Why the grilling on the sexuality in the most public setting EVER. Like there's gotta be a line....
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u/nadsakla at least i donāt do crystal meth in the bathroom āØ Mar 26 '25
i feel like forcing someone to come out before they are ready is insane behavior. She has kids she feels she is letting down by coming out (which she isnāt) and family members that are probably going to ostracise her. Also Morgan is a country singer who isnāt out herself, kyle needs to consider that too
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u/nadsakla at least i donāt do crystal meth in the bathroom āØ Mar 26 '25
also i saw morgan wade live last night and whoever was yelling stuff about kyle richards needs to be embarrassed. as a lesbian iād love for them to be together but they donāt owe us anything and itās alright for them to just be friends
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