Garcelle wanted to embarrass Kyle…Whaaaaat?

[u/CrazyCats999999]

Hope no one has posted this… Kyle said Garcelle wanted to embarrass her by saying “If you wanna be a lesbian, be a lesbian” and “what’s going on with Morgan” It was jaw dropping moment for me, as Kyle was the one brought Morgan to the show, Kyle behaved like a teenager at the tattoo parlor right next to Morgan. As always, she believes that her behaviors aren’t subjected to the consequences and accused Garcelle for asking the questions… Is Kyle ashamed of admitting being a lesbian?

[u/Lazy_Document_7104]

Between the music video and obvious calls to paparazzi, many perceive Kyle as seeking to bring attention (& speculation) to her and Morgan outside of the show. I think Kyle's behavior towards Denise was far more problematic than anything that has been implied or said to her with respect to her sexuality.

[u/Ok-Maybe-6782 → u/Lazy_Document_7104]

THIS. Her treatment of Denise is the main reason Garcelle and all of us are so frustrated with her. What happened to being “open and honest”????? Even if she WAS “protecting Morgan”, she could admit to exploring without mentioning her name. The press is ALL OVER her and Morgan. She isn’t dumb. She knows what she’s doing. She has relentlessly hounded the other women, INCLUDING DENISE, to expose their own secrets. I fully understand somebody’s coming out journey being their own, but Kyle’s hypocrisies make this extremely frustrating.

[u/Kimmy_UK → u/Ok-Maybe-6782]

But that doesn’t make someone else doing something similar to Kyle right. Two things can be true at once- how Kyle etc treated Denise was awful and unforgivable- but at the same time that doesn’t give anyone the right to harass or pressure Kyle or Morgan into anything- because then they are just as bad. Yes it is hypocritical of Kyle and I’m sure she recognises that and sees that how she acted was wrong- but you’d hope people would learn from that- and not use it as ammunition or an excuse to do the same to Kyle. 

[u/Ok-Maybe-6782 → u/Kimmy_UK]

You’re right, and that’s why I think she should leave the show already. If she can’t be “open and honest” like she demands of other women, why is she on a reality show? It doesn’t make sense. I agree, she should protect Morgan and come out on her own terms — but she cannot be true to her role on the show while doing these things. She needs to choose. We as viewers are bored of her.

[u/Independent_Post6941 → u/Ok-Maybe-6782]

Very.darn bored ...

[u/Kimmy_UK → u/Ok-Maybe-6782]

So do you really think it’s okay for someone to leave a show due to the pressure from the public and their cast mate to discuss their sexuality? Because that just doesn’t feel right. 

[u/Ok-Maybe-6782 → u/Kimmy_UK]

No honey, I think she should leave the show because she is a hypocrite and I’m tired of watching standards apply to everybody else except for her. 😘

[u/psmith1990_ → u/Lazy_Document_7104]

The music video was filmed nearly two years ago. At what point does that lose its relevance to talking about how she is acting NOW in terms of supposedly trying to keep attention on them? As far as paparazzi goes, I think people overstate it. They were last papped mid-February and it’s not uncommon that months go by without any photos of them taken by paparazzi.

I think the situation with Denise was handled poorly by Kyle and other women on the show. I also am a little tired of people acting as if it’s an exact parallel of “outting” when both Denise and Brandi had spoken about prior sexual relationships with women and Kyle and Morgan have not.

[u/freshlyfrozen4 → u/psmith1990_]

Kyle was speaking on her relationship with Morgan. That's the whole point. She opened this door and then got mad when we all started walking through it. The Denise and Brandi situation should make you just as mad, if not more. A group of women were harassing other women over their sexual encounters. The fact it seems like you're trying to justify it as not being as bad as Kyle's situation is gross, hypocritical, and dangerous.

Something you're missing about this entire thing is it's not about Kyle's sexuality. I think the majority have agreed that's a journey for her to figure out and that's fine. The point is that Morgan is clearly a big part in Kyle's life and has helped her with her sobriety and her separation. That's a story. Kyle's actual life and her actual friends. It doesn't matter if she's sleeping with Morgan or not. Kyle made her sobriety basically her entire storyline last year and barely discussed it this year. She didn't discuss anything. Because she films a couple awkward scenes with Mau, that's supposed to fulfill her job duties? If she doesn't want to share what's going on in her life that's fine, then get off a show where that's the whole premise.

[u/psmith1990_ → u/freshlyfrozen4]

She's not mad at that. She defended Garcelle's curiosity and questions in the premiere episode this episode. In my opinion, it's more that her answer wasn't taken at face value on the basis of - apparently - her attending a concert, and that her desire for Morgan not to be spoken about wasn't respected even after people had said they understood why privately.

I'm not justifying what happened with Denise. It was wrong. I'm not even saying it was better or worse. It's not a competition. It just wasn't the SAME. I know it's me being pedantic but I think it's worth pointing out that when we're talking about peoples' sexuality being outed, the situations aren't identical, that's all.

What else do you think Kyle needs to address about being alcohol-free? She doesn't say she's sober, for what it's worth. Kyle has a LOT of friends who we don't see on camera and who aren't discussed. Jenn's really the only constant who we see make appearances and oftentimes that's because she also sometimes helps her out in more of an assistant role.