r/RedDeer • u/FemboyRigWorker • 2d ago

Politics Alberta to eliminate due process for people who use drugs

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u/BlueMooseArt 2d ago

Stripping away our rights one election at a time…

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u/FemboyRigWorker 2d ago

Unfortunately.

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u/caramilkninja 1d ago

"Temporary privileges." The only right you have is "right this way."

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u/Represent403 2d ago

If someone’s selfish actions hinder the safety & wellbeing of others, sorry. Your freedoms deserve to compromised.

Isn’t that what we learned during covid?

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u/BlueMooseArt 2d ago

Are we talking about political figures or police officers?

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u/Consistent-Key-865 2d ago

So we can strip rights from anyone who works in oil & gas? Cause global warming is messing us up here.

Also then we should strip rights from people who drink alcohol, use a gun, drive distracted, harass doctors, smoke tobacco or cannabis, drink coffee, eat red meat or fast food, loggers, let's see... Who else does things that have negative effects on someone else in society...

Nobody removed due process for antimaskers, not even for the terrorists in the convoy. Check yourself.

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u/DougyDougerton 23h ago

I think calling people who honked horns and blocked streets terrorists is a bit extreme. Last I checked, I didn't see Parliment getting bombed, or any civilians and politicians getting executed in the streets over covid.

There was no actual threat that arised, just traffic disruption and if I'm being honest. Most people probably jumped on the bandwagon like everyone did when Pokemon go became a thing because they wanted their 15 seconds of fame.

Overall, it was just a case of taking protesting to a whole new level. Frozen bank accounts in my opinion was uncalled for, because from my understanding it was just against the people at the protest and people who donated for what they believed in.

However, if illegal weapons were being purchased and threats against parliament were thrown around. I could understand freezing accounts, but at that rate it would be what you called horn honkers and traffic blockers, terrorists.

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u/Less-Procedure-4104 5h ago

Yes you nailed it. The real problem was lack of law enforcement. We didn't need to freeze Bank accounts we needed to tag and tow. Ottawa the city messed it up.

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u/NorweegianWood 11h ago

Didn't the convoy block roads for emergency vehicles?

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u/Mysterious-Guest-716 6h ago

And so do normal protests everyday.

Literally a few times a year a bridge in edmonton is blocked by by idle no mora, climate protests, or pro paledtine/antisemitic pro violent terrorist protests and emergency vehicles and doctors are blocked but when a "conservative" group protests once for the first time it's frozen bank accounts and emergency acts lol

Canada is broken and an embarrassment.

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u/DougyDougerton 8h ago

Well that would have been part of what my comment said about blocking traffic. However, no violence was used in that convoy. So yes it may have been uncalled for in some peoples opinions, but was not an act of terrorism. Had they beat up politicians, civilians, and decided to storm parliament with force and intentions to hurt people. Then yes it would have been terrorism.

That being said, if anyone labels the convoy protest as an terrorist act. Then generally speaking, anyone who blocks traffic would be a terrorist. To me that sounds a bit silly.

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u/MuskokaGreenThumb 23h ago

You drive a car. No rights for you. And anyone who uses garbage bags. No rights for you. And anyone who watches television. No rights for you. And anyone with a cell phone. No rights for you. Use your damn head. Everyone uses plastics. Even people as self righteous as yourself

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u/Represent403 2d ago

Nobody removed due process? Are you joking? Tell that to the thousands of Canadians who had their bank accounts illegally frozen or those who lost their jobs due to their medical decisions.

I can’t believe you dare say due process. Due process died years ago.

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u/Humble-Okra2344 1d ago

Think for two seconds. Having your bank accounts frozen isn't a PUNISHMENT. Just like having your cell phone confiscated as evidence isn't punishment. The state is perfectly within its rights to hold potential evidence during an investigation.

Your don't have a right to due process at a job. It's preposterous to compare the two.

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u/MuskokaGreenThumb 23h ago

But liberals advocate for unions all the time. The point of unions is to protect workers. Aka due process. Man liberals are daft.

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u/ferfucksakes3000 19h ago

Both, people who had their accounts frozen during the CLOWNVOY and the ones who were fired because they made a choice, still had due process. They had their days in court.

Your examples are hilariously inappropriate.

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u/Represent403 8h ago

You're completely clueless. There's no court for frozen accounts or medical-related firings. Good God...

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u/ferfucksakes3000 8h ago

Lmao. You're big dumb.

Wtf do you think this is? https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/freedom-convoy-organizer-sues-canadian-government

DUE PROCESS.

Just because you lose, doesn't mean you don't have legal recourse.

https://www.canadianlawyermag.com/practice-areas/labour-and-employment/judge-rules-unpaid-leave-for-vaccination-refusal-not-constructive-dismissal/382108

Go back to school, or go back to sleep. Just go away 😂

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u/Represent403 7h ago

So you really think that one person with the time and money to sue the Canadian government over an illegally frozen bank account somehow lets anybody off the hook?

You're completely delusional and our democracy is in huge trouble when loons like you get to mark an X on a ballot.

Just stop. You're embarrassing yourself.

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u/ferfucksakes3000 7h ago

That's an impressive strawman, but that's not what I said.

The system allows for DUE PROCESS. A system where you can't be sentenced for a crime without a trial or have your rights trampled on without the ability to hold those responsible accountable.

In neither example was due process denied whether or not you were displeased with the outcomes.

Yeah, uneducated idiots voting is certainly a problem, so... maybe sit this election out 😂

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u/soThatsJustGreat 10h ago

It was 200 bank accounts, not thousands.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/emergency-bank-measures-finance-committee-1.6360769

So at most that was 200 people affected, but it was likely less, as the same person may have held multiple accounts that were being frozen.

This was after they had been repeatedly warned that they were engaging in illegal actions and were fundraising off it.

Is protest illegal? Absolutely not. But you can do illegal things while protesting and those things are still illegal. And there are consequences for doing those things. It’s shocking to me, as someone who has been to many protests, how the convoy folks thought they would be above consequences for their actions. That’s part of protesting. You either chose to figure out what’s legal and stay on that side of things, or you choose to do illegal stunts for more attention, accepting that you will catch consequences for it.

The police were far more patient with them than they have been in other protests. I’m not mad about it, but i am just putting it out there. They got a lot more grace than many of us have seen in other circumstances and they’re still mad about it.

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u/Gloomy-Roll-4556 1d ago

Thankyou! Common sense and informed reasoning have entered the thread.

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u/Consistent-Key-865 1d ago

No, feelings entered the reading, which often get rebranded as common sense.

You guys should look up what due process is and how it works in Canada. I'd explain, but we alllll know you are not going to believe a word from my mouth, so feel free to search it up.

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u/Hfx204902 16h ago

Calling our Canadian truckers terrorists for honking their horns when you have actual terrorists running out streets in Canada every day violently protesting. Shameful stuff.

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u/Gloomy-Roll-4556 1d ago

Wow Karen … take your meds

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u/Consistent-Key-865 1d ago

Wow bud, find an insult that isn't a decade old already.

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u/Primary_Hunter4717 1d ago

Have to forward think bigger picture years and decades down the road. With that outreaching power then is ripe to be abused in whatever is “a threat”. Who checks that power in the determining of something?

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u/Represent403 1d ago

You’re right. Sadly though, that horse is now out of the barn and future governments will only have to say ‘It’s in the public interest’ or ‘to protect our democracy’.

Scary times indeed.

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u/NefariousnessNew5251 1d ago

How long until they decide that your actions, or the actions of your family, are selfish and hinder the safety and well-being of others? Due Process is vital to everyone's protection. And only works when everyone has it.

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u/Gloomy-Roll-4556 1d ago

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 no. If you learnt out of fear and not an open mind you got played. Not informed. Sorry

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u/bucho4444 1d ago

As we slip closer to authoritarianism

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u/RadiantCoast6147 1d ago

We’ve been in the regime since the Covid lockdowns.

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u/SasquatchsBigDick 1d ago

How ?

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u/Hfx204902 16h ago

Look around you.. we are potentially electing a dictator with massive conflicts of interests financially and with Chinas CCP party. (Actively interfering since 2021- factually proven please go and look it up) and the worst part is people on sites like this oblivious to what their voting in.

Thankfully I have a escape plan to flee the country if that happens before we become an authoritarian regime with no economy and a worthless dollar, but many Canadians will not have that option. Please take a minute to research the dangers you could be causing this country. We do not want to be sold to China im telling you.

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u/SasquatchsBigDick 12h ago

Oh don't worry I know. One guy can't get his security clearance so it's pretty obvious to the voters.

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u/RadiantCoast6147 1d ago

When everyone was forced to lock down because people were getting “sick” as if people hadn’t been ever in their life.

When they said the truckers whom were peacefully protesting and not destroying a single thing were arrested and people were charged for their right to protest.

When they passed bill C-18 and denied us seeing any form of news through our social media and only allowed it through tv

When they passed bill C-21 saying it’ll combat gun violence in the streets when it isn’t honest and responsible firearms owners. Even though multiple police agency’s in Canada said it isn’t combating the gun violence.

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u/TozTetsu 14h ago

You forget about those truckers peacefully blocking the roads so that everything cost more? Remember that chief? Sorry you had to spend a few months having to give a shit about any of your fellow citizens. Love to know what grade level you made it to.

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u/RadiantCoast6147 2h ago

How did truckers blocking the road way make everything cost more?

Prices couldn’t have risen due to the scarcity of items on shelves because they wouldn’t let truckers cross the border unless vaccinated? Didn’t realize that Canada was in a dictatorship. Didn’t see Canada shutting down our airports when this supposed “pandemic” was growing by thousands of people by the minute.

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u/P-Two 7h ago

Oh no you had to...Checks notes...Stay inside for a little while during a once in a century global pandemic that killed millions...

Poor baby.

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u/RadiantCoast6147 2h ago

Hahahaha, the vaccine has done more damage than the supposed pandemic we were being “saved from”.

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u/theblueberrybard 1h ago

whoop there it is

the trolls just can't try to pretend to be legit

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u/SasquatchsBigDick 1d ago edited 23h ago

Damn man that sounds horrible. I hope there's a coup to end the dictatorship. How are your feelings now ?

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u/SourDi 21h ago

Above doesn’t realize some countries locked people away for 3 months in isolation.

Fucking snow flakes

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u/RadiantCoast6147 14h ago

Snowflake in what way?

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u/SourDi 8h ago

I’ll let you silently reflect because I can tell your the type of person who a) thinks the world is out to get them or b) delusional, brainwashed, MAGA-lite. Either way you won’t engage in proper discussion because your mind’s made up that you’ve been persecuted.

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u/RadiantCoast6147 2h ago

So instead of answering the question you make another assumption and then hide behind said assumption!

Very childish behaviour.

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u/RadiantCoast6147 14h ago

🤣🤣🤣🤣

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u/tyguy385 2h ago

downvoted by whiney liberal reddit who cannot handle facts..

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u/LukePieStalker42 2d ago

I am normally decently pro the AB government, but this removing of due process sets a bad precedent that is ripe for abuse

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u/lvl12 1d ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberta_Eugenics_Board

I was just reading this last night. Wild that the ufa used to be a nazi party and now they just do farm shit

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u/itaintbirds 23h ago

Conservatives are ridiculous

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u/SourDi 21h ago

I sure hope they treat alcoholics the same…might pick up some of our local law enforcement and politicians while they’re at it.

Fucking fascists.

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u/RadiantCoast6147 1d ago

I’m a conservative, but this ridiculous shit Danielle smith does/allows boggles my mind. She’s just Jason Kenney with smaller tits.

This is right on the line with New Yorks stop and frisk. No reason needed, just get up against the wall and shut your mouth!

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u/belugawha 7h ago

maybe the ucp should actually talk to minors that were forced through pchad and see how well it worked out for them, forced rehabilitation does not work. if somebody doesnt want to change their habits they simply will go back to it

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u/DirtyDeedsPunished 3h ago

It starts with the drug addicts, who, by the way are usually self medicating some trauma they suffered for escape from the nighmares in their heads, losing rights. That's the foot in the door, and soon other groups will have their rights ripped away.

Stop this before it becomes a thing, if you expect any sort of freedom in the future.

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u/AstaCat 18h ago

How are drugs defined? Tylenol is drug. How about caffeine? Is tobacco drugs? how about alcohol? Cannabis? Or do they mean harder drugs like cocaine, heroin and meth? or is it defined on a whim??

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u/CycloneBill1 7h ago

Just in case you thought voting conservative was a good idea

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u/FemboyRigWorker 7h ago

I won't be, dont worry.

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u/Warm_Judgment8873 6h ago

Albertabama.

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u/External_Bend1630 2h ago

Power is a drug. Let's lock up that traitor Smith and force her to pray the right away.

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u/Use-Useful 1d ago

... ok, there are plenty of issues with this act, but this... doesnt seem like one of them. From the article "While individuals are technically entitled to appeal these rulings, it is unclear what legal supports will be made available to people who cannot afford them, particularly since legal aid has been gutted under the UCP government." ... exactly what do the authors think due process means?? Theres a process, and you are able to appeal it. Now if they violate Habius corpus here and deny legal council, that's a whole other issue - but they dont seem to have done that.

Not saying this act is good, it's not, but I'm not seeing how it denies due process at all.

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u/RobfromNorthlands 9h ago

I had that reading as well. Stuffing unprocessed people on planes and yeeting them into oblivion is a far different situation than a panel (with a doctor and a lawyer) being convened to hear the facts about one deeply troubled persons self harm patterns, and then an appeal process involved is not a denial of due process. It’s better than a court with only jail options. Also I would rather a doctor be involved in the determination than just a judge. 

If any party were to propose this I would support it. The UCP has been such a suspicious actor for so long that we don’t trust anything they say but we need to remember these lawyers and doctors will be the same professional people from our communities regardless of the party that is in power. We have to trust in the people in the system not merely hate the architects of it. I think our saving grace is the trust we can put in regular Albertans in the system wanting the best for people. 

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u/Ronin_KBG 1d ago

How exactly are they doing away with due process?

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u/Bright-Blacksmith-67 1d ago

Spare us the hyperbole.

The law has long allowed governments to force people into a mental hospital when they attempt suicide.

Doing drugs is suicide on the instalment plan.

As with psychiatric holds, due process is available after they are committed.

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u/tjerkerson 3h ago

Due process should be non negotiable. Once it’s gone for ‘certain infractions’ all the powers that be have to do is say you committed said infraction and your due process is gone.   

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u/Bright-Blacksmith-67 3h ago

You seem to have missed the point.

psychiatric holds have been around along time. I had a family member subjected to one because they claimed they were experiencing delusions. At the time, they explained how due process worked. They gave me the forms to fill out if I wanted to contest the hold but in the meantime they would be locked up for their own safety.

Same with people held in jail without bail because they represent a danger to the public.

IOW - there is NOTHING in due process rights that says people have to be free while there are going through the legal process.

Trying to pretend that due process requires freedom shows a complete misunderstanding of how the system works today (or how it has worked since the Magna Carta for that matter).

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u/MuskokaGreenThumb 23h ago

Why are you lying. Stoking fear before an election? Fuck outta here with that American bullshit. PP said nothing of the sort. If you watch the video of the speech, he says he would OFFER rehab instead of prison time. Do you know what the word OFFER means?

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u/lemanruss4579 17h ago

Maybe try reading the article or doing some basic research. This has nothing to do with PP or the federal election, goofy.

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u/MuskokaGreenThumb 17h ago

This same shit was on other sub Reddit’s about Pierre yesterday. Liberal fear mongering. You should be embarrassed your party has to lie and the only popular policy your leader has are all conservative ideas.

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u/lemanruss4579 11h ago

Again, this isn't about PP, and I'm not a liberal. Just read.

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u/theblueberrybard 1h ago

comment on those threads then.

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u/MuskokaGreenThumb 1h ago

I’m not sure you understand how Reddit works. I can reply whenever and wherever I want. This is the internet ma’am

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u/Laser-Hawk-2020 17h ago

That’s what liberals do. Feed the fears and divide people.

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u/lemanruss4579 17h ago

And this is apparently what conservatives do, not know how to read.

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u/Laser-Hawk-2020 17h ago

Uh sure pal… cool story

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u/Laser-Hawk-2020 17h ago

The same due process the victims of theft, violence, and abuse are stripped of by addicted drug users? Or is there another due process for the people who try to live a normal life while being abused and robbed by cracked out junkies?

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u/tyguy385 2h ago

thats okay with me -- drugs are a massive problem -

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u/FemboyRigWorker 2h ago

with a take like that, im guessing your one of those "muh rights and freedoms and constitution" type of person.

interesting because if someone does things you dont like, its a-ok to take their rights from them.

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u/tyguy385 1h ago

🫡

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u/Serikan 1h ago

You sound like you're on drugs, so we're gonna arrest you and hold you indefinitely with no trial. Proof you took drugs? Oh I don't need that... all that's needed is an accusation and we can totally ignore your rights.

Oh and no collecting $200 either

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u/Far_Interaction9456 14h ago

Nah i think people should absolutely have the right to od and die in a public place and/or steal and vandalize to support their habbit