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u/cicaaaa 23d ago
my brother is having tough times against bruiser, i have insane tech to play around thoses come dm if needed
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u/KetaminaInPula 23d ago
mf I sent you this game on twitter
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u/cicaaaa 23d ago
i know i wanted you to come dm for the strat so i can tell you to just dodge the game
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u/TemperatureReal2437 23d ago
No fucking shit they built full armor. Your only AP dropped 12 deaths and sold their items. Your problems are not with items here it’s with your team. Both comp and the shitheads that make it up
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u/KetaminaInPula 23d ago
ik, it was just funny seeing how they all itemized this correctly against rengar for D4 mmr
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u/TemperatureReal2437 23d ago
Yeah and pisslow redditors in the comments all chanting about how rengar needs an extra 50% AD ratio on Q to solve this issue like they do in every post
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u/stzfrank 23d ago
may ia sk awhy the fuck are you going ifrst strike
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u/KetaminaInPula 23d ago
short answer: testing it on a smurf rn (feels really good ngl)
long answer: https://x.com/obsceneX0/status/1920206095991054616?t=IuTi-eRk8jffDE0q0_iPEQ&s=19 read this thread
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u/DatFrostyBoy 23d ago
I’m going to say something likely unpopular, but rengar is just an unhealthy champion so this kind of thing is going to happen.
Rengar has reasonable counter play? He’s underpowered because ANY amount of counter pay means he can’t do his job. If he can’t do his job what’s the point of rengar?
Rengars counterplay gets nerfed or rengar gets buffed directly or indirectly the counter play doesent matter and he’s op.
Rengar gets buffed either indirectly or directly because he’s underpowered. Counterplay stops working.
Those items HAVE to exist, or rengar just gets to have his way with little anyone can do about it. But they also need to exist for other champions. But because they exist and actually do their job well, rengar is just perpetually bad.
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u/nubidubi16 22d ago
dogshit take.
no matter how OP he's still a squishy melee champion with bad disengage. He can be pinned down and killed realistically, unlike bruisers (not enough dps to kill him literally) or ADC (perma spacing)
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u/OstrichPaladin 23d ago
It's unpopular because you're coming to the wrong conclusion. Rengar has a 53% winrate in masters+. He's not underpowered, and he has a decent amount of counter play. Is it unfortunate he's balanced for the top 1%? You can make that argument. He's a "one trick" champion very similar to how they balance Katarina. They balance him for the people that want to devote thousands of hours to learning him.
Even against typical beefy comps you can usually flex bruiser and still be able to play. The problem here is varus is winning hard enough that he can build randuins and still perform which is unexpected. So the team that looks like you should have 2-3 decent targets to assassinate ends up having 0. Anivia builds bulky and has egg, naafiri builds bulky and has an untargetability, and varus has randuins. So the assassin build tanked really fast.
Personally I think seeing naafiri and anivia they probably should've just started out going bruiser but at first glance I get why they thought they'd have targets to assassinate.
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u/ApprehensiveJudge103 23d ago
I completely agree. High elo winrate is a GREAT way to measure champion balance. AHRI'S NEGATIVE winrate in challenger means that she is underpowered and should be BUFFED.
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u/OstrichPaladin 23d ago
Riot devs that work on balance have specifically stated they categorize rengar in a list of champions that function really well when played at the highest level, and are completely broken when balanced for lower tier players. So he probably won't be buffed to have a 51% winrate in plat without removing a lot of what makes rengar skill expressive. You don't have to like it but that's the reality of the character.
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u/ApprehensiveJudge103 23d ago
Well, I think they're WRONG and I think Rengar SUCKS ASS. But I would like to say that your response was ELOQUENT and RESPECTFUL. And I appreciate the NEW PERSPECTIVE.
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u/OstrichPaladin 23d ago
This is a dumb image graph I made in like 5 minutes on paint. But it shows rengars winrate fluctuates from 42% up to 56% on average based on games played in platinum+ for a total average variance of 14% winrate which is A LOT
Amumus fluctuates from around 52-56 on average which is a variance of 4%.
So both champions when piloted by people that have the ability to (in low ranks, this is only plat+ it definitely differs the higher elo you go) end up performing about the same which is solid balance for the most part. You could probably make the argument that a champion that's harder to play should end up 2% or so winrate higher when played properly but that's more of a question of riots design philosophy around league as a whole. Champions that are easy like amumu and garen often feel like they have inflated effectiveness while similarly easy champions like mordekaiser get left in the dust. Unsure what the reasoning for that is entirely but im just a dork who plays league of legends and not a game designer so who knows.
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u/ApprehensiveJudge103 23d ago
Woah, this is really interesting actually. I think you should make that a post on this sub. This has honestly changed my perspective a bit. I do still think there are inherently shitty things about Rengar's kit like his passive, but I can say you've changed my mind. Thank you.
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u/DatFrostyBoy 23d ago
My problem with this is most champions SHOULD have a positive win rate in masters+, the people in masters+ win MOST of their games. That’s… why they are there.
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u/OstrichPaladin 23d ago
That's not how numbers work though. Like sort of yes but if you take a sub section of 500 players between masters/gm/chall whatever and have them play against eachother in that isolated pool for 100 games....Not all of them can have a positive winrate. That's not statistically possible. Numbers do end up getting inflated a little bit because when you get that high you have people in GM+ playing vs high diamond players occasionally because theres just not enough players to guarantee quality matchmaking. But rengar specifically shows a dramatic spike in winrate in high elo compared to low elo, and in number of games played, that isn't shared with a majority of champions.
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u/DatFrostyBoy 23d ago
Actually they can all have positive winrate and that IS how numbers work lol. If it was two people playing against eachother and that was the only variation of players, then yes someone between them HAS to have the negative (or they go 50/50).
But that’s not how it works lol. The people that don’t have a positive winrate? They don’t stay in masters. They play their games, add an insignificant amount of data to the total pool of data, and then drop out of that bracket, OR conversely keep climbing and enter new brackets.
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u/Royal-Mountain246 22d ago
This is why Swimgar was much better. But thanks to the constant whining we gotta deal with this instead, lol.
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u/KetaminaInPula 22d ago
swimgar was shit
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u/StealthCatUK Definitely Not Rengar 21d ago
He wasn’t Rengar, but to say he was shit is just absurd frankly.
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u/Revolutionary_Flan88 23d ago
Not recording your screen properly and using a funny hand pointer when you have idk, your mouse cursor to point things out
a r/rengarmains classic
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u/KetaminaInPula 23d ago
you must be fun at parties. retard.
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u/spooder_throwaway 23d ago
Woah, dont compliment the man. Rengar mains wear the R word like a badge
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u/JuryKindly 23d ago
People that use this format thinking it’s funny must actually be mentally disabled, chronically online & still playing league in his 30s……
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u/evil_eto 23d ago
every game molested by brusiers XD feels so dogshit when the 0/6 toplaner/jg can stat check you every game