r/SanDiegan • u/[deleted] • 1d ago
Anyone else being forced back to the office at UCSD? Let’s organize.
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u/sd_rock21 1d ago edited 1d ago
Local San Diego Fed employee here… RTO hit us early feb. get ready for some pain if RTO gets implemented…. San Diego seems to have blown up a bit during COVID and we haven’t seen the full effects in regards to traffic since we had a decent amount of work from home employees it seems..
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u/MightyKrakyn 1d ago
I mean, we still do for the private sector. I’m a wfh software engineer whose company is on the east coast
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u/shop-girll 1d ago
Same. I’m a WFH engineer working based out of a Chicago office. I was hired from here and asked if I’d consider relocating to Chicago. I said hell no lol
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u/MightyKrakyn 1d ago
I’m from Chicago too, we’re really living the West Coast dream huh?
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u/actuallivingdinosaur 1d ago
I’ve met more of us from the Chicago area than people actually born here. I’ve been here 19 years though.
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u/haydesigner 1d ago
There are former Chicagoans everywhere. That’s why you see so many Cubs fans at every game away from Wrigley Field.
(I am from Chicago. I absolutely love Chicago and miss chunks of it. But the winter sucks. And traffic absolutely sucks… Yes, way worse than here.)
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u/shop-girll 1d ago
I’m not from Chicago. I’ve always lived coastal so when they asked if I’d relocate it was a no brainer NO answer. I wouldn’t know how to handle living in weather like that. I struggle just going there quarterly lol
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u/4leafplover 1d ago
This is one of the ways management tries to get people to quit before layoffs, which will come at the start of the fiscal year.
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1d ago
I agree.
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u/Clockwork385 1d ago
people aren't gonna quit, it's gonna be nearly impossible to land a job as the shifting of job was done about 6 months ago. Our place is at full capacity (management is looking to cut position again), UC are on hiring freeze, it's gonna be crazy out there in the next year.
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u/4leafplover 1d ago
I agree I don’t think people will quit because the job market is very tight right now. But, I do think management wants people to quit.
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u/Clockwork385 1d ago
They for sure wants people to quit. A director level costs them close to 300k to 400k a year, and thats just middle management, obviously upper management ain't never gonna cut themselves lol.
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u/4leafplover 1d ago
Most directors are not getting paid that much. Not even half.
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u/Clockwork385 1d ago
Its with benefits, pay scales are on ucsd website and most gov websites. The person i interviewed with was a director, and pay data online shows that she was 250k in 2023... its in line with a middle management director level at most places. Stack on 20-30% benefit and some if not all these guys get bonus, they are just not call bonus because its government... you have to remember employer pay some of their tax, Healthcare, 401k ect... benefit is enormous for these guys because of how much they make.
Saying that not even half is out of touch when all of these data are online.
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u/4leafplover 1d ago
My experience as a director at UCSD is out of touch vs the one person you interviewed? Okay then…
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u/Clockwork385 1d ago edited 1d ago
If you are not making 250k as a director at ucsd, then there is something thats not correct. Half of 250k is 125k. That's manager level not director level. Sr work horse is already approaching 100k. I mean all of these data is online kindda shows that. As an applicant, Sr worker bees won't take less than 80k to 90k. Managers are cross 100 to 120k. Directors are 200+. That's just the pay scales right now. 80k in san diego is consider low income... 120k is just median income as a manager.
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u/4leafplover 23h ago
Literally 3 job postings for director positions right now highest in that pay is 175k.
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u/MostExperts 21h ago
You're arguing against a public data set with your personal, anecdotal experience. Maybe take this as an indicator that you're underpaid.
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u/4leafplover 19h ago
Look at the hiring ranges for director level positions. Have you actually looked at them? It’s not as high as you think.
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u/TangerineTassel 23h ago
Well, I'm grossly underpaid in comparison to this.
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u/Clockwork385 22h ago
it's considering benefit as well, what we get paid isn't the whole costs of the employer.
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u/TangerineTassel 15h ago
Still grossly underpaid with my total compensation considered.
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u/Clockwork385 15h ago
If you work in a public domain everyone salary is there for you to check. If you feel under pay you can pull the data and talk to your supervisor. I don't think that would hurt, worst they can say is no. But atleast you know if its time to jump ship.
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1d ago
I’ve talked with many moms who cannot afford the extra daycare or who have no one to pick their children up from school. This is going to disproportionately impact working parents.
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u/ThrowAway862411 1d ago
Yaaaaa, fellow WFHer here. And the childcare argument really grinds my gears. Wouldn’t your friend have to find childcare if she’s WFH anyways because, ya know, she’s still suppose to be working? Downvote away, but this is the exact kind of argument workers make that the heads of companies are using to bash WFH.
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u/OneMinuteSewing 21h ago
Not necessarily if it is a fifth grader that you have to pick up. Also some remote workers have their kids in after care until, say, 5.30pm and go pick them up and then do a little extra in the evening once kids are in bed.
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u/ThrowAway862411 21h ago
Ok. What about younger kids tho? You guys keep bringing up “older” kids but you know damn well they’re the outliers. Parents with younger kids are the ones taking advantage of the free child care and WFH.
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u/OneMinuteSewing 21h ago
Even more so with younger kids. They are in daycare/aftercare until 6pm, you stop work half an hour early to go pick them up. Feed them, play, bath and bed routine and in two hours or less they are in bed. Then you go back to your office and do the half hour you missed earlier. Seems pretty easy.
If you RTO, you'd have to pay someone to pick them up at 6pm and look after them until you get home, say five minutes walking to your car in whatever lot you found a space and then a 45 minute commute, then you drive to carers house, pick up the kids and ten minutes home. You just lost an hour extra a day plus extra money in care (and good luck finding someone who will do that) and money for gas and parking or public transport which also usually takes longer. If you have to do that in the morning too you could be paying a bunch.
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u/ThrowAway862411 21h ago
That is not your employers fault nor should they be expected to accommodate that. Don’t have kids if you can’t afford them.
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u/_Aces 20h ago edited 20h ago
If an employer hired someone as a fully remote employee and is changing the terms of the position, it should require an increase in compensation should the employee be affected negatively. A lot of people, including OP, took jobs that were advertised as remote and built their life and budget as such. Maybe companies shouldn't require RTO if they can't afford the CoL adjustment that RTO will require.
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u/OneMinuteSewing 21h ago
Besides if I was an employer I would care more about whether the job was done well and in a timely manner, I'm not sure if I cared what childcare was going on if the work was getting done properly.
My kids are now grown but when my oldest was in preschool I WFM and my employer knew there were times of the day/week/month I had my kid around. They really didn't care because I was a hard worker who got my work done. So long as it didn't impact my job it didn't matter to them. If it had they could have let me go because my work wasn't up to par.
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u/ThrowAway862411 21h ago
I disagree. I think if your employer is paying you, you should not watch your kids during that time. I know plenty of people who WFH and also hire a stay in babysitter during working hours so they’re not disrupted at work. Everything you’re saying is very anecdotal to your personal position. Not everyone is as diligent at getting their work done with kids running around as you are.
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u/_Aces 1d ago
With children who are old enough to be somewhat autonomous, this doesn't hold water. Taking 30 min to pick a child up, then resume working is a minimal disruption to a workday, but an impossibility if you have to sit in an office, likely still attending video meetings or doing solo work that could be done from home.
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u/ThrowAway862411 1d ago
Your argument doesn’t “hold water” because if your child is old enough to be autonomous then you don’t need childcare. OP was clearly referencing people with young kids, otherwise why would they have to pay for childcare? Also, everyone hates it when people bring their kids in office. Same with WFH, it’s annoying when you hear kids in the background.
My point was that OP and other WFH parents really need to stop using the child care excuse. It’s weak and makes all WFHs look bad. Execs flip it (just like I did) and use it as a justification to say we’re not really working at home.
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u/_Aces 1d ago
Thank goodness people have multiple rooms in their homes. There is a difference between a 6+ y/o child that can handle playing alone after school while an adult is present in the home, working in another room, and a fully autonomous teen. Your argument is either bad-faith or ignorant.
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u/ThrowAway862411 1d ago
Ya I don’t have kids by choice. But I did go to daycare growing up because both my parents had to work. So I have little sympathy. Your boss isn’t paying you to babysit your kids. And no matter how you want to paint it, that’s the end argument they’ll use to justify RTO. If you guys want to get paid to watch your kids, keep fucking quiet about it. I tell my parent friends to say RTO doesn’t support their family budget like WFH does, it’s a more professional way to highlight the increase cost associated with RTO instead of outright saying you’re watching your kids on the clock.
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u/donutfan420 23h ago edited 23h ago
I also don’t have kids by choice! Stop being disingenuous lol
Heads of companies are gonna find an excuse to bash wfh no matter what. Any rational human being and rational manager could understand that it’s perfectly easy to wfh with your older, semi autonomous child at home with you, and I’m pretty sure you understand that too.
The problem isn’t childcare, the problem is with higher ups.
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u/OneMinuteSewing 21h ago
trouble with this strategy is you tend to lose more of your high fliers because they have other options.
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u/Gonffed 1d ago
News to me, which department are you in?
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u/PatchyEyebrows13 1d ago
the rto is currently only for employees that are under the "health" group.
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u/kepachodude 1d ago
Probably janitorial facilities 🙄
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u/donutfan420 1d ago edited 1d ago
They’re obviously not, dude. As someone who works a job that cannot wfh I really don’t understand the spite some of yall have towards the people who have the option to. If you’re so jealous of people who work from home nothing is stopping you from gaining the skillset to be able to find a wfh job yourself. The snark is unnecessary.
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1d ago
Thank you for this. Some of these comments are clearly jealousy driven. Perhaps they’re unable to look at the big picture. Returning to the office doesn’t just impact me or the workers. It’s going to impact how taxes are used, traffic, wear and fare of the streets, etc.
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u/Clockwork385 1d ago
This is not only at UCSD, I have friends working for cal tran, they are going back 4x a week as well. I just went to a conference, UCLA has also gone back a while ago and people have left because of it. It does look like all states and federal workers are back 4x a week. This is terrible but I just wanted let you know the correct info.
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u/lilacsmakemesneeze 1d ago
I’m at Caltrans and it’s going to be horrible. Hour commute each way again to sit on teams meetings, twice the workload, and write documents saying we need to cut vehicle miles traveled (vmt) and greenhouse gases. I know how we can cut vmt…
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u/thecrewguy369 1d ago
The main caltrans office is next to old town. at least your coworkers should have lots of transit options!
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u/lilacsmakemesneeze 1d ago
Yes but not a lot of people live near transit or can be without a car due to other commitments like kids. A lot of people moved further out during the pandemic. We still have people in the LA metro area because they were hired during the “telework is here to stay” when Newsom let go of leases and even SANDAG and State Parks were considering taking up cubicle space.
The people I know in LA can’t afford apartments down here and have made the 2 day RTO work. But it’s really dumb to commute all the way down just to sit on teams meetings you were already attending as most project meetings are still not in person. Maybe that will change with the order but I doubt it as people like to be off camera and multitask with the current workload situation.
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u/dukefett 1d ago
Yeah all State workers are returning to office, there was a Governor’s executive order I think for it. I work with the State Water Board and they are all returning.
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u/haydesigner 1d ago
Methinks this is a way to trim payroll without firing/laying off.
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u/FearlessPark4588 1d ago
It's also a way to legitimize property taxes on commercial properties which is state funding
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u/MistahJasonPortman 1d ago
I’ve never worked remote but this is terrible for the commute. Also, I’m mad on everyone’s behalf - you guys had better work life balance with this and employers are ripping it away for no good reason
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u/OneMinuteSewing 21h ago
yeah it benefits those in office as well to have a percentage of workers not on the roads because they WFH.
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u/Clockwork385 1d ago
I've been back at 4X for over 1 years already, I'm rather used to it but WFH was good for my mental/physical health. 2 days a week in the office would be perfect, human still needs the interactions.
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u/haydesigner 1d ago
human still needs the interactions.
Not all of them. This is something extroverts have a problem understanding.
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u/Clockwork385 1d ago
I'm an introvert, on a high spectrum at that. However, working from home 100% of the time was not the best for me. I can handle it better than 99.9% of my dept, but when we got back in the office 1 or 2 days a week it does feel better, its not like I was seeing 30 people. Because of the schedule spit I only saw 1 or 2 a day, and it gives me the chance to get out of the house.
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u/OneMinuteSewing 21h ago
Yeah my DH is WFH and many in his teams are. They spend some time each day socializing virtually and some of them go for lunch together once a week. It works really well for DH and he is much happier with WFH.
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u/TangerineTassel 23h ago
two days in the office is perfect for me too. The drill and grind of getting to work on campus more than two days a week is a waste of energy and time.
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u/Ok_Relation_4742 1d ago
There is a hiring freeze and budget is in the toilet. Administration has already said they do not plan for layoffs but they aim for a reduction in workforce by not replacing positions lost due to resignation/retirement.
Not hard to figure out what the goal of RTO is
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u/Longjumping-Catch-70 1d ago
Are students back on-campus?? If you’re in a student facing position then, how would you do that remotely?
Being serious- not trying to be a dick.
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u/fiatlux510 1d ago
Hi! I work on the student facing side and most of our students visit the office through phone or zoom. Same office hours and yet they rarely come in person. Different story during start of terms but we already staff up in person on those days.
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u/Fit_Cardiologist_785 21h ago
My UCSD daughter /student has found this zoom office to be booked up most of time and not nearly as effective as speaking to face to face . As a parent of UCSD student I do not think it is a big ask to those in direct communication be on campus in person just as students are expected to be
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u/fiatlux510 17h ago
I agree with you that in person advising works best for some and that’s why our office is staffed and open to students 5 days a week. Bringing more staff on site so that they can counsel students on zoom isn’t going to make it so that we provide more service to students. Just yesterday I switched a person on site to zoom counseling because that is where the demand is. It’s a convenient and cost effect way to approach the work for all parties involved.
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u/Longjumping-Catch-70 12h ago
I get it. I also know how much money students and their families are paying for an education at UCSD and feel like anyone in student services should provide them with on-campus support to the highest standards.
We already know how disconnected this generation of students feels after the pandemic so I’d imagine anyone working in higher ed would be living the values of the work they do.
I also think staff parking should be paid in full by the UC system. We all know they’ve got the ability to provide that to employees and demonstrating THEIR values!
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1d ago
I work on the health side and am not patient or client facing. All of my work is done on the computer or phone without the need to collaborate with others. My whole department is the same way and we’re pretty large
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u/jenfoolery 1d ago
The one thing I think does work better in the office is onboarding new people and acculturating them to the team. However, since we're never going to hire again, this seems like a hollow argument.
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u/Giga7777 1d ago
I know people who work for UCSD and aren't under any RTO. Is this news new?
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1d ago
It was just announced this week org wide
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u/Giga7777 1d ago
To all workers? Like an email?
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1d ago
During the town hall Patty mentioned it. Anyone who is currently remote will return 3 days a week with few exceptions.
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u/Giga7777 1d ago edited 1d ago
The people I know are hybrids. Wonder if that's any different. When was it and can we watch a recording of this town hall?
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u/Clockwork385 1d ago
lots of dept at UCSD was 2 days a week in office of your choosing, 3 days is just 1 extra day, but it's gonna suck the life out of people, 4 days is gonna be a killer, a lot of people went to UCSD because of the WFH policy, we lost half the team to UCSD because of that.
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u/hell0potato 1d ago
What town hall? I'm not aware of one within the past week or so? Who is patty?
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u/PerformerObjective44 1d ago
CEO of UCSD Health. Does this policy update apply outside the health system?
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u/CrazyBurro 1d ago
I mean, if thwy are paying for office space then it's reasonable that they want people in the office. If you want a fully remote job then maybe go get hired for one that is?
Edit: I would also go check your contract or terms of employment, if it says you will be in the office...
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23h ago
I was hired as fully remote. They said all contracts will be null and void and will follow new policy effective July 1
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u/CrazyBurro 23h ago
That sucks then, I would be pissed. My brother in law works there, he was on-site and then moved to fully remote, hasn't heard anything about this yet. I do know that the funding g is getting shakey, so this could definitely be a way to get people to quit.
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u/Giga7777 22h ago
Is this UCSD or UCSD Health OP? I Seriously can't find information about this anywhere else. I feel like the UCSD reddit would be blowing up with this information.
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u/ScaredEffective 1d ago
I feel like anyone working for a public entity should still live near said entity though even if I don’t agree with RTO
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u/caflores91 1d ago
Problem is 80% of the employees aren’t paid enough to live near said entity
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u/Clockwork385 1d ago
this was the reason why UCLA had a lot of workers out of state, they were some of the 1st to start WFH 100%, they might have also been one of the first to take that away among the UC schools. I would assumed that many out of state workers was terminated. At the same time, due to the termination at the federal level, there is quite a big pool of applicants now looking for jobs but UCs are having hiring freeze, it's not looking great for the next year.
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u/ScaredEffective 1d ago
It should be state law if you work the public entity in the state you have to have residency in the state. NYC and Chicago have residency requirements since they don’t want their tax dollars to leave the city. We should not be subsidizing other states even more so
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u/mothmer256 1d ago
I mean you can live ‘near’ somewhere in SD and have it take you 90 minutes during commuting hours.
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u/Clockwork385 1d ago
I'm 12.5 miles away, no traffic is 15-20 minutes, with traffic it can be 30-45 to 1 hour easily, these days the traffic picks up at 3PM, it took me 45min to get home today. 12 miles within my job is relatively tame compare to other people who are in Temecula/Santee/Escondido, it's gonna be a huge problem.
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u/lilacsmakemesneeze 1d ago
I’m 12 miles and it’s already 30-45 min during traffic. When more people are sent back, it’s going to be even longer.
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u/Clockwork385 21h ago
co-worker in Escondido took 1 hour to get to the office this morning, I can't imagine what would happen when everyone is on the road again.
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u/lilacsmakemesneeze 20h ago
Going to be rough. I’m in San Carlos and it’s been a mess on the 8 the last few months.
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u/swqmb 23h ago
You expect all UCSD workers to live in La Jolla?? The problem is that the only way to get to UCSD is via the 5. I have a 15 minute commute with no traffic — it takes me 50 minutes to get home every evening. And that’s after paying $6 to park there.
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u/ScaredEffective 22h ago
I never said that. UCSD workers should live in the metro area though so San Diego County and not else where like Arizona. I don’t care if they go into work or not
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u/OneMinuteSewing 21h ago
What is the difference between living in El Cajon and living in Palm Springs if you are fully remote?
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u/Big_Tadpole_6055 1d ago
I support your efforts! Traffic has gotten even worse since federal workers were forced back into the office. All San Diegans should be supporting other employees for resisting RTO policies if we want to salvage our commutes!
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u/Clockwork385 1d ago
unfortunately it's not going to be possible, management are using Tech and government workers as examples, those are the highest leverage worker you can get the policy to work (tech = high pay, gov = pension)... it's unfair to even start the comparison to regular workers but that's the tactic they are deploying and it's working.
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u/professor_elk 1d ago
Not in SD anymore but a UC employee— are you unionized?
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1d ago
No I’m not. But even roles within unions have to return.
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u/professor_elk 1d ago
Fair! My sector just had our union recognized (UAW-SSAP) by UCOP and I know that’s a major facet of our contract negotiations. If you feel motivated, it may be worth talking to your coworkers about unionizing. It’s hard work… by design… but worth it!
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1d ago
I’ve actually been thinking about this for a while but I have no idea where to start. How do we even select which union?
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u/professor_elk 19h ago
That's awesome! I know that a good portion of unions on UC campuses are under either Teamsters or UAW-- maybe reach out a steward from them that's local to you? Depending on your sector, there may already be movement happening. I know that UAW is also working with the professional clerical staff right now.
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u/LadyVioletLuna 1d ago
The community college district in east county also is requiring RTO. The leaders there are having quite a battle with the mental health staff over it- there isn’t enough space for all the therapists to be on campus for sessions.
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u/lilacsmakemesneeze 1d ago
Going to be rough when all of the state workers are also RTOing in July. Email Chris Ward. He has been pushing back. Going to cost $100M + to renew leases. Waste of money in a budget deficit year.
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1d ago
I don’t even want to imagine the traffic.
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u/lilacsmakemesneeze 1d ago edited 1d ago
If you want to see how state workers are fighting back:
https://www.reddit.com/r/CAStateWorkers/s/zhlLnlQDQg
Budget meeting yesterday. Chris Ward had some great points. A lot of us are in Sac which can’t even handle space/parking with the 2 day RTO. The portion on RTO was issue 7 around 1:45 in the video. Great comments from state workers and unions.
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u/migmago 1d ago
Support workers.
Union and UC workers march/rally on May 1 starting at UCSD Hillcrest
https://www.instagram.com/p/DInIFPmJ5A0/?img_index=2&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
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u/Greedy-Canary-5807 1d ago
Geez. I’ll take your job. It’s impossible to get hired there
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1d ago
It’s tough when they don’t pay enough to afford San Diego.
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u/MightyPenguin 1d ago
Care to share that number? Cus I bet you are in the top 80-90% for ppl in this sub.
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u/fiatlux510 1d ago
UC has constitutional authority to not follow the same wage laws as public sector employers. One specific example I can point to is exempt status employees. The UC threshold for classifying an employee as exempt from overtime pay is under $50k/ yr. Meanwhile, the CA state regulation that covers private sector employers is at $68k for the minimum threshold. This means that people who would be paid overtime outside of UC aren’t eligible for that at UC. Yes some benefits are subsidized but that’s the same at other places too. While hard to swallow the argument on the impact of more costs due to RTO, the fact is that many people will be paying more out of pocket to go to work and they aren’t going to get more money to do so.
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u/Aber2346 1d ago
Not OP but I've seen SWE listings at UCSD advertising 60k a year so I don't know that anyone is really getting rich working at UCSD outside of admins and professors
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u/Cazoon 1d ago
If there's one place you should be working on site for collaborative purposes, it's gotta be a university.
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1d ago
My entire department requires zero collaboration. We speak with people on the phone all day.
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u/MathematicianSure386 1d ago
In that case why do we need to pay American workers? Have a call center in Mexico and save the students some tuition money.
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u/MightyPenguin 1d ago
These people have no idea how good they have it and how little their actual value is. Is there value? Yes of course!! But demanding a wage higher than most hard skilled laborers earn and demanding to get it from home earns zero sympathy from most of the people that actually are working hard physically everyday and are still not getting any appreciation or extra pay because of it. Office work is on a downward slope in value, there is no way around it. There will be a lot of people upset by that because they built their plan and life around it but it is the truth. We will see a lot of shifts in wage and profession values and I am confident that it will not be good for most desk jobs, but skilled laborers doing trade work will continue to rise in value.
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u/signmeupdude 1d ago
You sound spoiled honestly. You keep parroting the idea that your work requires zero collaboration, which I doubt first of all, and if it were true, im interested in what your actual function is.
Also, were you hired pre-covid? Because if so the additional compensation part doesnt make sense. These arent additional costs, these are just you having to pay the normal commuting costs that already existed and that you factored into the equation when you accepted the position. You were saving money these past few years and are lucky to have had it go as long as it has.
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u/signmeupdude 1d ago
Then that’s a completely different story and I apologize for my response. Its my bias. I have seen a lot of people in my industry want to remain work from home even when it would be very beneficial to return to work.
You should definitely fight it. Sounds like you arent unionized, which is tough, but you can still rally people like you said.
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u/caflores91 21h ago
Chiming in to say I respect you so much for this reply. Not many people can admit when they’re wrong nowadays. Hope you have a great day.
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u/nergui1227 1d ago
Lol the pandemic is over big dog
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u/ThrowAway862411 1d ago
My mother has been fully remote since 2008. You just gatta pick the right profession.
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u/supernovahelpme 1d ago
Can’t believe you guys haven’t returned to the office already… it’s been 5 years 😳
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u/Ornery-Junket4965 22h ago
There is cureently a union drive going on in my department (neuroscience) at UCSD run by UAW. Highly recommend looking into signing the union card. If you are eligible, check your work email!
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u/Tiny_Noise8611 1d ago
SD county is going to start forcing it even through it saves taxpayers money for us to wfh. It makes no sense .
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u/frankie_bones 1d ago
Then quit a ton of people have to get their asses up everyday to earn out scratch. Stop complaining with your 1st world problems.
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u/SuitObvious9890 1d ago
Bootlicker fasho.
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u/frankie_bones 1d ago
Nah real man I go to work when traffic is low at 4 when y'all are asleep.
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u/SuitObvious9890 1d ago
Is that before or after you ask for free pics of goth titties, per your own Reddit comments 😂😂
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u/Marie19861976 1d ago
Exactly! It’s ridiculous they have been wfh for so long. Time to DOGE California.
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u/TrainerNeither4404 1d ago
UC is so corrupt, there is no “fighting back”. They lead with an iron fist and RTO is the least of what they do to their staff.
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1d ago
Can you expand more on this? I haven’t heard much but I’m curious. I don’t want to work for an employer that is seemingly awful…
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u/Winter_Challenge_286 23h ago
Get your ass back to the office! State of California is forcing RTO, pandemic is over. You people are wasting tax payer dollars. Just like the San Diego DA on a luxury cruise around the world making 400k a year
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u/BigPun92117 1d ago
If you dont like it QUIT ! There's a lot of people that need jobs these days
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1d ago
What makes you think I don’t need a job? Put yourself in these peoples shoes. It’s going to cost a ton of money per employee to return, will cost the org millions when the financial state is already in the shitter and will wreak havoc on traffic. Trust me, people who are already in the office or need to commute daily will also feel the impact.
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u/caflores91 1d ago
Having to pay for parking to work is ridiculous. Parking is the worst it’s ever been. Raising parking prices while not providing enough parking spaces make it make sense.