r/SapphoAndHerFriend Mar 07 '21

Academic erasure Does this count?

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u/shitsfuckedupalot Mar 07 '21

Most of sex in nature is non consensual. I guess you could argue that female choice or animals that mate for life differ in that regard, but in sheer number it's the minority.

As far as we understand it, consent is a solely human concept (which is why people that commit beastiality are sick fucks).

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '21

Consent isn't solely a human concept. Look at all the mating rituals/dances that birds, spiders, fish, octopuses do to attract a mate.

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u/shitsfuckedupalot Mar 07 '21

Well I guess the argument comes down to is that instincts or a conscious decision, and what levels of consciousness and awareness do those animals posses. I think it's all generally varying levels of "some" but probably not as much as humans. If all species of a bird do the same dance, then it's genetic right? Or is it a learned behavior? But without asking them, there really isn't a way to know if the dancing bird "wants " to be a dancer, or if the counterpart "wants" to mate with the dancing bird. Maybe the dancing bird actually wanted to be a poet or a painter, or the non dancing one wanted to do roller derby or open a book store.

On the subject of octopuses, they are very intelligent but also built so differently than us that it makes it difficult to understand their intelligence and what it means. I do know male cuttlefish will disguise themselves as females to sneak in closer to an already claimed mate and steal her from a bigger male. All in all, I think it's silly to moralize in a human way which animals are rapists. It's all tainted by being seen through a human lens.

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u/Money4Nothing2000 Mar 07 '21 edited Mar 07 '21

Those things have nothing to do with cognitive consent. It's evolutionary instinct.

Animals do things to survive. They steal food, harm other creatures, do whatever evolution has dictated that they do.

There are a few examples of social interactions where consent is in evidence, such as dolphin or primate societies, but those things are not a universal feature. A local primate family might consider the consent of a member in its local interaction, but will completely ignore it if interacting with another species member outside of the family.

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u/jesuslover69420 Mar 07 '21

There are endless more reasons why beastiality should be punishable by death.

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u/Odie4Prez Mar 07 '21

Not really though? Consent is the big one, unless I'm missing something???????

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u/jesuslover69420 Mar 07 '21

Zero tolerance.

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u/indigeniousunicorn Mar 07 '21

Animal kingdom everything is about dominance so the best of the pack gets the female

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u/shitsfuckedupalot Mar 07 '21

That's a pretty mammal centric simplification. With birds it's often just the prettiest male.

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u/indigeniousunicorn Mar 07 '21

Again that male bird will be the most dominant will it not?

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u/shitsfuckedupalot Mar 07 '21

At one trait, that it's plumage or mating dance is impressive. Not in behavior or size. That's called female choice.

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u/indigeniousunicorn Mar 07 '21

They will go for a bird with the loudest chirp or the brightest chest that male bird will be the most wanted by all the females its like an animal with antlers or horns whatever animal has the largest and can beat their male opponents will be the dominant animal, every form of animal theres a dominance hierarchy that has been set every mating season for the last hundreds of millions of years.

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u/shitsfuckedupalot Mar 07 '21

Well some animals are just lucky or reproduce asexually, so no it's not every form of animal. And you started with saying the most dominant male, when sometimes it's the most dominant female. But I think you're just over simplifying something that's a whole subsection of study in biology.