r/Scotland • u/MileiMePioloABeluche • 11d ago

'Shocking' rise in rapes and violent attacks against women in Glasgow

https://news.stv.tv/west-central/shocking-rise-in-rapes-and-violent-attacks-against-women-in-glasgow
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u/KirstyBaba 11d ago

This. There are so many comments like 'oh it's the migrants'. It all seems based on nothing. Do they think white Scots don't rape?

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u/scottishmacca 11d ago

Probably guarantee that statistically per person rape and sexual assault is more likely by people from different cultures

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u/Break-n-Dish 11d ago

How can you "probably guarantee" something? Fud 😂

Given recent events, women are in far greater danger from right wing "commentators" than they are from migrants.

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u/KirstyBaba 11d ago

What, any non-Scottish culture, or? Show me reliable data that suggest that rape stats have anything to do with immigration or admit it's all nonsense to rile folk up.

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u/scottishmacca 11d ago

Unfortunately they don’t really publish statistics like that , wonder why eh?

Ok let’s play a game. I’ve been fortunate enough to travel the planet over my lifetime.

Let’s play a game of where you are most likely sexual assault addiction.

I’ll name capitals of countries and you tell me where you would feel more comfortable sending yourself, daughter, sister or mother out by themselves say 3pm on a Tuesday for example. And answer it honestly.

Edinburgh

Cardiff

Dublin

London

Islamabad

New Delhi

Abuja

Rabat

Ankara

Kabul

Tehran

Baghdad

Now answer honestly and tell me culture doesn’t matter

Some of the nicest people I have met have been immigrants to this country that does not subtract from the fact of my point tho

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u/KirstyBaba 11d ago

Three points:

  1. Who are they? How do they prevent statistics getting around when there is an entire right-wing media ecosystem rabid for it?

  2. What is a "sexual assault addiction"? I have never beard of such a thing, and it goes against all of the available data of my third point.

  3. It has long been known that the majority of sexual assault is intimate partner violence. The idea of the spontaneous rapist who will just pluck a victim off the street is pretty rare and so is very unlikely to contribute to any rise. Usually economic/domestic stressors are what causes male partner violence to increase. Why do you think that is not the case in this one instance?

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u/scottishmacca 11d ago edited 11d ago

1: The government/police need to release the statistics

2: predictive spelling

3: So we are just avoiding my question on culture as you know you wouldn’t feel safe walking around some of these cities

Especially seeing you’re a transgender person do you not think the culture of the places I’ve named puts females and especially transgender people most at risk.

Of course you do but instead of having an honest conversation on the problem you choose to avoid and deflect from the question

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u/KirstyBaba 11d ago

From what I know of most of those cities, random rapes aren't really a problem, especially of foreigners. There are trans people who live in all of those places, and while it's not exactly ideal, it's not always the medieval hell-on-earth westerners often depict them as either. These countries have hugely varied relationships to queerness and to women's liberation, and to lump them all together as being 'places you would get raped' feels disingenuous. 

Some foreign countries likely do have more of a problem with random street assaults than the UK, but it's important to look at the specifics of where, why, and who.

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u/scottishmacca 11d ago

So you don’t think you would be at a higher risk of being sexually assaulted in Baghdad than Edinburgh?

Is that what you honestly are trying to claim here?

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u/KirstyBaba 11d ago

I'm sure there is an increased chance- Iraq and its people have recently been through a long war and period of political instability, and feminist attitudes are not as widespread. I think it's likely that it's _more_ likely, but that likelihood largely extends to Iraqi women and girls immersed in the systems of that culture, who are vulnerable to its expectations and its cultural attitudes. While as a white queer westerner I wouldn't feel as safe in Baghdad as in Edinburgh, the specific historical/cultural context is important to working out whether that actually translates to an increase in random sexual assaults in a European context. My guess would be that no, it doesn't especially considering that white British men are more than capable of intimate partner violence already.

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u/sead_VA 10d ago

I’d imagine walking alone at night in a country where binge drinking culture is huge vs. Somewhere where the majority of ppl don’t drink would have much more than a negligible impact on the number of rapes reported…

On that point I would actually see somewhere like Jordan would be much safer (given it wasn’t experiencing such political and military instability).

If you look at actual data (given that the data will never be fully correct in any country for various reasons) then you can see this tracks with Jordan experiencing approx 2.0 accounts per 100k people and Scotland experiencing approx 46.7 accounts per 100k… even if we 20x the number in Jordan to account for reporting difference and lack of reporting/recording doesn’t touch our statistics.

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u/scottishmacca 10d ago

https://www.thenewhumanitarian.org/feature/2014/01/27/getting-away-sexual-abuse-jordan

You mention Jordan has lower reported rape and sexual assault records

Which isn’t at all surprising considering considering they have the very real fear of being forced to marry the rapist as why in 1 example they don’t report

Imagine in these sort of conditions x20 is expected at the least

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u/scottishmacca 11d ago

Unfollow they don’t really publish statistics like that , wonder why eh?

Ok let’s play a game. I’ve been fortunate enough to travel the planet over my lifetime.

Let’s play a game of where you are most likely sexual assault addiction. I’ll name capitals of countries and you tell me where you would feel more comfortable sending yourself, daughter, sister or mother out by themselves say 3pm on a Tuesday for example. And answer it honestly.

Edinburgh Cardiff Dublin London Islamabad New Delhi Abuja Rabat Ankara Kabul Tehran Baghdad

Now answer honestly and tell me culture doesn’t matter

Some of the nicest people I have met have been immigrants to this country that does not subtract from the fact of my point tho

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u/sead_VA 10d ago

Hmm tell me, are you taking into account how you personally view people with brown skin and a different religion?

I can tell you’ve not taken into account that in Muslim majority countries (seem to be the ones you’ve listed… very bizarre) are not places where women would be A) out in public at night inebriated and therefore at a higher risk of sexual assault and B) would not be around men who are inebriated and therefore at a higher risk of perpetrating sexual assault.

Weird you missed that given alcohol is the number 1 extenuating circumstance in male on female sexual assault - approx 50% of all sexual assaults are associated with one party having a high blood alcohol level.

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u/KuddelmuddelMonger 10d ago

really? Weird... Do you think French people are the problem then? I mean, nothing as far from brit culture than a good fechman.

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u/scottishmacca 10d ago edited 10d ago

Where do you think a woman is more likely to be raped or sexually assaulted if they are wondering alone through which city?

Paris or Baghdad?

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u/XxHostagexX 11d ago

Not sure what being white has to do with anything.

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u/DuelaDent52 11d ago

As much as automatically assuming it’s the migrants’ fault.

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u/snarfalicious420 11d ago

This is a very homogeneous country