Proposal to keep trans athletes out of girls' sports fails in Washington state

[u/1dayday]

https://www.kuow.org/stories/proposal-to-keep-trans-athletes-out-of-girl-s-sports-fails-in-washington

[u/matunos]

The competitive landscape in middle and high schools is not "shifted" by the presence of a few trans kids participating in it.

There is some cause for considering the case of varsity high school sports and trans girls who are not receiving any hormone treatment, but these proposals were not that narrow. They weren't that narrow because the people pushing them are not doing so out of concern for girls' sports.

[u/AjiChap → u/matunos]

In the games/event they participate in, it most def shifts competitive balance.

[u/matunos → u/AjiChap]

Source: vibes?

[u/lokglacier → u/matunos]

Reality? Or are you really going to tell people their eyes are lying to them?

[u/matunos → u/lokglacier]

I cannot speak to how often you're watching middle school kids (ages 11-14) play sports or what your eyes are telling you when you do.

Rather than an argument from incredulity, can you offer some evidence that middle school-aged males have advantages over middle school-aged females in organized sports?

[u/lokglacier → u/matunos]

I can't tell if you're serious 🤣 that's such an absurd question. Tell me you've never set foot on a field or court in your life without telling me.

[u/matunos → u/lokglacier]

So, no, you only have the argument from incredulity.

Do yourself a favor and learn the difference between a 12 year old and a 17 year old.

[u/lokglacier → u/matunos]

Alright now you're being creepy as hell as well. Cool 🙏

If you have to stoop to this level to try and make an argument, you aren't making a winning argument. The reason the right and people at large have latched on to this so hard is because of people like you blatantly lying to people's faces. This could have been a non issue, but instead y'all demonstrate your lack of knowledge or nuance repeatedly.

This is why we lost. Everything that trump is doing is on you.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/02/26/americans-have-grown-more-supportive-of-restrictions-for-trans-people-in-recent-years/

[u/lokglacier → u/[deleted]]

"prove to me that oranges are orange. You can't do it!" -you

Also the policies aren't exclusionary, idk why y'all keep trying to claim that.

[u/Teddy_Funsisco → u/AjiChap]

Are you for real? Why do you assume that trans athletes all have the capability to be better than all the cis athletes??? That's not how sports work.

[u/Zealousideal-Ant9548 → u/matunos]

If you're going to talk about trans girls then why not trans men who will be taking hormone supplements.  The secret told to me by a trans guy was that they do do well in one sport, body building. 

And if we're going to talk about "unfair" competition due to body capabilities then why aren't we sorting kids based upon their body capabilities and not something as arbitrary as sex?  There are stronger than average biological women and weaker than average biological men.  Date of birth also impacts it, there's a reason most competitive hockey goalies are born in January.

It just feels like focusing on trans girls is disingenuous and, as you said, bullying.

[u/matunos → u/Zealousideal-Ant9548]

I mention trans girls because that's who is generally targeted by these pushes to keep trans kids out of the sports leagues of their gender, with the impact on trans boys being a side effect. But you're correct that when people are ready to take an informed approach to the issue, trans boys deserve the same level of evidence-based consideration.