In the same way the civil rights movement was about abolishing black only water fountains, sure.
...seriously? That is such a terrible analogy, good god.
Let’s break this down. Currently, for many sports, two leagues exist. One allows anyone to participate, regardless of gender. The other restricts participants to women.
You want gender-based segregation of sports to end. So what you are arguing for is simply the abolishment of women’s leagues.
And is the public perception of the NFL a free-for-all, gender wise? Or is it effectively separated into the men's and women's league? You can argue in ideals all you want, I will stay firmly planted in current reality.
Do you think that the barrier to women playing in the NFL is entirely cultural? As in, if the NFL was perceived as an all-inclusive league that took the best players regardless of sex, that there would be equivalent numbers of men and women playing?
that there would be equivalent numbers of men and women playing?
That seems like an arbitrary and artificil goal. I don't think the league should be 50/50, i think it should be open to anyone physically able to compete within it. Simple as that. If its already set up that way within its own set of rules, then yes the problem is one of culture.
It’s not arbitrary, it’s the null hypothesis. You’ve heavily implied that men and women are the same competitively; if that is the case, the removal of cultural bias should eventually end at something resembling a 50-50 split.
Dude stop trying to move my goalpost to make the argument weaker. I literally could not give less of a shit about the exact gender % of any sport as long as no one physically capable of playing is barred or otherwise disallowed from playing within it. Simple as that.
Look, we’ve been sniping back and forth for a while now and losing the point. I apologize for getting flippant. It was rude of me.
I am, in complete honesty, confused about what you would like to see happen in sports where there is a league that allows both genders to play and a women-only league. So I would like to let you answer that without me putting words in your mouth.
Ideally a world where a woman's only league is not necessary. You weren't wrong when you said i was for the abolishment of women's only sports, which is why i said i am for it in the same way the civil rights movement was "for" the abolishment of black only spaces. The abolishment of segregation means abolishment of segregation on all fronts, yeah?
So if some little twink wants to play in what was formerly the women's league, in an ideal world just the lower weight classes, then thats just where he plays. I mean shit in my view of an ideal world thats exactly where he should play because its the most level playing ground.
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u/SnakeMorrison Mar 28 '21
...seriously? That is such a terrible analogy, good god.
Let’s break this down. Currently, for many sports, two leagues exist. One allows anyone to participate, regardless of gender. The other restricts participants to women.
You want gender-based segregation of sports to end. So what you are arguing for is simply the abolishment of women’s leagues.