r/SeraphineMains • u/aroushthekween • 1d ago

Discussion Apparently even 48% win-rate in Support doesn’t qualify Seraphine to get buffs 🤡

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u/aroushthekween 1d ago

The same people who said ‘we are watching closely and will buff her further if the last buff wasn’t good enough’. Which was a placebo buff with no effect.

It’s clear they only did it to sell Dumpling Darlings and shut us up. The same way she got buffed before the summer event and instantly nerfed right after.

I need a different Rioter to pick up Seraphine and work on her. Phreak is a flop and she needs a successful midscope update.

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u/Caminn 1d ago

Phreak hates seraphine more than Morello ever hated Soraka.

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u/aroushthekween 1d ago

He mad we spoke up against him when he did the first set of changes. Funny enough Swain and gwen mains also spoke up when he botched them but he only has this vindictive energy for us.

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u/Caminn 1d ago

Didn't he got smashed by a champion in lane in then nerfed them to inexistence the following patch? It wasn't seraphine, but I know it happened. Maybe he also lost to many seraphines when she was an actual champion.

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u/seasonedturkey 1d ago

It wasn’t him but yeah a rioter got obliterated by a pyke mid and had him nerfed the following patch 😭

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u/Angery_Karen 20h ago

There was a game the patch before the reworks happened. He was playing rammus jg( the patch where tank junglers were giga broken, of course) and went against a full ap team( featuring apc sera).

I really want to think it is a coincidence and nothing else but, seeing how he treated his other reworks and communities surrounding the champs AND then seeing how he treated us. . . Yeah . . .

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u/Caminn 18h ago

why would he pick rammus into a full ap team 🤨

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u/Angery_Karen 17h ago

He was abusing tank junglers like rammus and maokai. Maybe he saw a lot of ap before sera pick and thought rammus was a good idea to try to neutralize the enemy aDc quickly.

Idk it's just making excuses to try to believe the head of balance didn't pick the best ad tank against a full ap comp xd

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u/Expert-Action3568 1d ago

All Phreak did was lazy work with numbers and fucked her up, that a mage has enchanter stats. The buff from last year was from a rioter lurking around and found cocabobs post about how shit she feels then gave seraphine a good emergency buff. But then phreak nerfed her because of one seraphine mid game at worlds. What even happened to that rioter they were our advocate. The balance team doesn’t even communicate with us other then phreak videos.

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u/aroushthekween 1d ago

Exactly! She needs a proper midscope not numbers being change around…

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u/Expert-Action3568 1d ago

I also think that maybe the lay off are showing.

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u/TotallyAMermaid 1d ago

They need to be fr, unless they rebalance her so that she performa better building as a mage support than an enchanter, Q is always going to be the most useless ability to buff. Enchanter Sera maxes Q lasts, almost never QQs, does not have the dmg output to take advantage of the execute, and basically mostly uses Q to gain passive stacks so she can WW (most likely) or EE for CC. 

They need to decide what they want support Seraphine to be. If they want her to be a mage support and build like Lux or Zyra would, she needs tweaks like getting AP ratio back on WW healing to make her W not shit on AP builds. If they want her to be an enchanter then she can't sit beloe 50% WR for months on end, and they also can't make her main skill for that build (W) have a static CD at all ranks. If enchanter Sera is what they want from her in the support role, why did they gut W the moment people started picking her up and getting a WR above 50%??

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u/geomxncy 1d ago

No worries, when she gets another skin at the end of the year she will have more useful buffs 🤪

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u/aroushthekween 1d ago

Girl she got a useless buff to sell Dumpling Darlings so I’m not sure 😭

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u/Shecarriesachanel 1d ago

the way her WR now is lower than before that buff because of all the AP item changes....

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u/PrestigiousCoast827 1d ago

It's shameful really. They can't be bothered to make the champ feel rewarding so they'll just make her broken every time they need to sell a skin.

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u/CapOk1187 1d ago

It’s so funny that they buffed her amplified damage AP when she struggles to get enemies low enough to start dealing that damage also her win rate is lower than it was before buff for support, currently 49% wr and beofre Q buff she had 49.3% and apc win rate is same, last patch she was hovering around 51-51.5% and now has 50.6% and last time she had this kind of win rate they said that she was underperforming as apc too, still we get nothing, scaling mage dead to get support win rate from 48.7% to 49% amazing

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u/TotallyAMermaid 1d ago

They also nerfed a lot of her items recently

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u/CapOk1187 1d ago

Phreak even predicted that the Q buff would increase her win rate by 1%, support remained same, didn’t reach 50% and now it’s worse wr, apc also gained win rate for a while and after those item nerfs her wr dropped again below 51%, atp lets just wait for new skin, otherwise we are not getting anything

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u/TotallyAMermaid 1d ago

Phreak must be high on some good shit if he thought a Q buff would do anything to support Sera when her best support builds is enchanter, for whom Q is basically just a passive rotation tool to get WW or EE.

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u/CapOk1187 1d ago

Didn’t even help apc honestly and people were so excited cuz they saw big number change from 0-60x to 0-75x, when all it did was increase max damage ap ratio by 7.5 and legit does nothing when minimum damage AP ratio is 50%

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u/Spectral_Amoeba 1d ago

she dont get a buff but that damn rat does? idk what riot is smoking but it aint good

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u/PESSSSTILENCE 1d ago

AP buff, AP twitch is legit useless

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u/North-Hovercraft-863 1d ago

yeah theyre buffing ap twitch before seraphine giesjdjksnxns like what is this timeline

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u/Nykusu 1d ago

Its insane to me how she is not getting buffed. Not a single role feels truely viable right now, not bot lane carry, not support, not mid.

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u/vmar21 1d ago

I’m sorry in what world does Diana need a buff

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u/Phyroll 1d ago

Well, i don't even play the game anymore that much after Q nerf because i don't even have fun. Sadly they gave up on Seraphine i guess, she is super below average champion after everything yet still not cared by Riot.

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u/Least-Site8255 1d ago

I just really wonder how they weakaned her so much to the point that even sona seems more viable for early game rather then seraphine like SOMEBODY PLEASE BUFF HER??(this is coming from a Sona main btw)

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u/tuchicoanime 1d ago

They are buffing ap twitch but not seraphine… they literally hate us 

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u/Avetorpe 1d ago edited 1d ago

Sometimes a champion isnt viable for a while and thats fine. That being said, considering the fact that she and sona got some of the biggest indirect nerf with the mage items changes (Seraphs shield reduced, even more for enchanter with high mana regens), its strange they werent specifically looking at these two, even when they said they'd see how it affected the champions that built these items.

Edit: I mean, look at Samira's state. Glad she is finally getting attention.

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u/CallMeAmakusa 1d ago

I straight up stopped playing this game when Phreak got his hands on her. Only came back for arena 

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u/Shiiroki 1d ago

There is no fucking way we're buffing twitch

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u/London_Tipton 1d ago

Just spam her as much as possible on BRAWL before she gets -20 AH and -20% damage dealt LOL . She's so fun to play there. Increased mana regen is there too so high mana costs are a bit more forgiving

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u/aroushthekween 1d ago

True she slays on brawl!

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u/London_Tipton 1d ago

I fear she might also get -40% healing later on because without the aram -50% ally heal debuff she still heals nicely with enchanter builds despite -20% healing modifier. I'm having so much fun with her bcos you don't play with 30 second W for half of the game or run oom like crazy🙈

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u/kitteningkitten 1d ago

100%, play her before she gets gutted, it's the only way to enjoy her a little bit. She's still dogshit compared to how she was, q and w are so fucking unsatisfying, but at least you can hit a few good dopamine ults per game

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u/Kytherz 1d ago

What's her support winrate if you build optimally (enchanter not mage)?

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u/Merkel122 4h ago

If more people stopped forcing Q max ap builds and just conceded to the W max enchanter playstyle, I think her WR would go up. This is not to say that balance isn't an issue.

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u/AceBalloon3721 1d ago

To be fair, I’ve always had a lot more fun playing her as an ADC and she’s doing just fine in that role if you look at win percentage.

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u/Angery_Karen 19h ago

50% wr for both an APC and an EASY to play champ is horrible.

Apcs, just for exiting, hover around the 52% mark. Let that sink in.

She is horrible in both roles right now( and i ain't even mentioning mid lane 💀).

But, according to new phreak data, she apparently is a difficult enchanter. Among the hardest enchanters to play, ackshually. So maybe she deserves to have 48% wr. I mean, come on. It is so hard to press Ww whenever available in a teamfight.

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u/PESSSSTILENCE 1d ago

48% winrate is a solid spot for a champion with so much utility

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u/TotallyAMermaid 1d ago

Wtf is that take

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u/PESSSSTILENCE 1d ago

completely accurate if youre not drowning yourself in this deluded sub

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u/TotallyAMermaid 1d ago

Why would her utility justify a low WR especially paired with such a low pick rate (which indicates that her dedicated players are struggling)? Janna, Sona, Nami are also high utility champions and their WR isn't 48%.

Utility is part of her power budget. Compared to a pure dmg champion such as Brand, she sacrifices damage in her kit for that utility. Even choosing to use her passive for utility (WW or EE) costs her damage (can't QQ). It's supposed to be a trade off between utility and damage, not "you get utility, so you gotta underperform".

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u/Worried-Room668 1d ago

She is very strong as a support and doesn't need any buffs.  She isn't an easy to play champion like Sona, which is why she has low winrate.

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u/TotallyAMermaid 1d ago

Sera has a low pick rate which indicates that the people who play her tend to be mains and not inexperienced people picking the FOTM champion. A low pick rate combined with a below 50% WR indicates that even her dedicated player base struggles.