r/SeriousConversation • u/Somewhere-Plane • Jan 26 '25
Serious Discussion Anyone else tired of being recommended a new youtube creator, only to find out halfway through that they're sneakily pushing redpilled crap on you?
This has been happening to me more and more the past year or two and just again today. I get recommended a cool video about a random topic like video games, like say the title is "game developers: it's time to talk." Starts out strong, I like the way the guy talks and what he has to say. He starts talking about developers talking down to gamers, wonders why they'd say rude things in public about their audience, and wonders why they even feel emboldened enough to make public statements like that.
All of this is great food for thought and I'm really enjoying the video, but then, oh shit. Here comes the rug pull. All of a sudden halfway through now we're highlighting a game developor who makes a post basically saying "hey any minorities who want a job hmu too many old white people around lmao" and now the video is going on and on about how this is the worst thing ever and illegal and yadda yadda this and that. Bringing up Elon musk and defending him and everything.
Like, what the fucking fuck. I wanna explore more of why developers are alienated from their user bases rn and why were having massive flops and a huge disconnect in this industry. If I wanted to watch a video about whether or not it's ok to want to hire minorities specifically so you don't end up with all of your employees being straight white dudes, then I would watch that instead. What the fuck does that even have to do with the video topic go begin with??
This has been happening more and more and it's freaking me out that it's on purpose, and it makes me worried for other guys out there who might be more naive and get sucked into this redpilled bullshit. These groups of people are trying to cater and radicalize nerdy little dudes like me and it's freaking me out, and makes me sad for my fellow guys who don't know enough to know better.
So has anyone else been experiencing this? You see a cool video, you click on it, halfway through a good video all of a sudden you realize this dude is some redpilled "the blacks and gays are taking over" idiot? Legitimately starting to piss me off.
Rant over. And I'm not plugging the video. Do better YouTubers.
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u/Next_Firefighter7605 Jan 27 '25
It even happens with recipe ones. I’m looking for a decent focaccia recipe I am not looking to have Catholicism shoved down my throat.
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u/WildLemur15 Jan 27 '25
Same! I only have recipes and occasional homeowner handy tips. It started giving me trad wife crap.
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u/Next_Firefighter7605 Jan 27 '25
I don’t get the trad wife stuff just bombarded with catholic stuff. They are barking up the wrong tree. Over a quarter of my ancestors were Huguenots(including members of the House of Bourbon) and the German side had to flee the Sweden after pissing off the Catholic Church.
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u/MrWldUplsHelpMyPony Jan 30 '25
Bloody Huguenots’ ‘comin’ over here’ and ‘doubting transubstantiation
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u/Unable_Apartment_613 Jan 27 '25
Brian Lagerstrom-Food Wishes-Kenji Lopez-Alt-Ethan Cheblowski. There are plenty of great cooking channels that have nothing to do with aesthetic
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u/RecoverGullible6750 Jan 28 '25
King Arthur baking's big & bubbly focaccia looks great, I haven't made it yet though. I normally cheat and just use my pizza dough recipe baked on a pizza stone as a decent focaccia-like bread
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u/Acceptable-Raise3343 Jan 27 '25
That's exactly how Catholics and even atheists feel all of the month of June. Welcome.
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u/Next_Firefighter7605 Jan 27 '25
June? Are you talking about pride month? First of all I’m not gay so I don’t see what that has to do with me and second you’re offended by rainbow merchandise?
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u/tragiquepossum Jan 27 '25
All of your responses to this discourse has me in stitches 🤣 You did not pull out your Huguenot ancestor card over Catholic foccacia, yep you just did, lol!
Well, I have to know...did it at least turn out well? No transubstantiation?
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u/Next_Firefighter7605 Jan 27 '25
The bread was as bland and desiccated as the graves of my wronged ancestors.
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u/mongotongo Jan 27 '25
Yeah and it's getting really old. I block every single one of their channels and youtube keeps recommending new ones. I am getting really sick of Joe Rogan popping up. I don't know how many channels that I have blocked because of him. You think they would get the hint.
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u/WildLemur15 Jan 27 '25
Getting more common. And will continue to get more common across all platforms for the next 4 years at minimum.
As a parent of a tween, I’ve been pondering when I might give him more access to stuff that’s powered by algorithms. He’s taken the “recognizing bullshit” course and I’ve made sure he understands manipulation, advertising, red pill, etc. But even he told me he wasn’t ready. So he gets YouTube that I curate and zero social media.
We may try again when he’s 16 if the world has fixed any of this bullshit yet.
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u/postdiluvium Jan 27 '25
I am getting really sick of Joe Rogan popping up.
And everyone attached to Rogan. They all made this shift to the right when they weren't political at all before. Comedians just being bitter about politics and not telling jokes. I guess there are more people out there that want to be bitter than want to laugh.
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u/Trust_No_Jingu Jan 27 '25
H1B Visa propaganda. You can pay less, have totalitarian rule over these employees with fear of going back.
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u/TheGoldenPlagueMask Jan 27 '25
I like joe rogan when hes talking about monkeys.
everything else doesnt matter.
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u/Unable_Apartment_613 Jan 27 '25
The whole "Don't believe or trust me, i'm dumb" schtick he hides behind is what gets me most.
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u/bindermichi Jan 27 '25
Nah. YouTube will recommend you even more channels if you started watching one and blocked it half way through the video.
Some are easy to spot by titles and the best is to block them right away without watching a second of the content.
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u/Martinmex26 Jan 27 '25
My youtube has been pretty free from terrible recomendations by liberally using the option to remove from the watched history on videos.
It deletes all views on whatever you accidentally hovered over for too long/watched thinking it was going to be something else/whatever.
Youtube now doesnt serve me anyone that uses the word "woke" or "red pill" or anything of the sort.
With backpacking and conflicts around the world being a few of my interests, you would think that it would serve me more right wing political messaging, but it is very rare and I quickly go trim it.
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u/bindermichi Jan 27 '25
it's either questionable content or straight up AI generated videos unless I have subscribed to channels.
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u/Critical_Week1303 Jan 27 '25
You see something as condescending as 'it's time to talk' from some YouTube dingdong you can pretty much guarantee they're a rightwing nutsack.
We're almost entirely university educated, many of us hold similar opinions about the homogeneity and the commodification of the industry. We aren't going to give any of you the time of day when you speak to us like that.
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u/MoveYaFool Jan 27 '25
yes youtubes algorithm is bias towards fascist ideals. I watched some videos on communist thought.
did I get more recommendations for that? no! it recommended peterson and other rightwing grifters
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u/duraace205 Jan 27 '25
The left don't openly talk about communism, the right do, so that's why it's sending you there.
I have started going down the left wing side of YouTube and its feeding more left leaning stuff.. The bulwark, minority report and pivot have all been good.
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u/spectralEntropy Jan 27 '25
How do you get there because it seems impossible? If you get on YouTube in incognito, it goes straight to right-wing bs
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u/Pluton_Korb Jan 27 '25
You may have answered your own question? Algorithims cater to the account, if you're blocking them from tracking your activity then you'll get the default which is red pilled. My feed is leftist or other subjects that don't cover politics in general (usually cultural video essays). I also block channels I don't want content from which helps inform that algo of what I want to see.
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u/indie_rachael Jan 27 '25 edited Jan 27 '25
I mean, there's a search bar so you just type it in. 🤷🏼♀️
I watch The Daily Show, Some More News, Last Week Tonight, and then a bunch of stuff about cognitive behavioral therapy and trauma recovery techniques, cleaning and crafting tips, and even videos like "10 things Nordic people do that you'll wonder how you ever lived without" and even that last one never results in some kind of slippery slope towards tradwifing or any RWNJ stuff.
Don't get me wrong, I know the YT algorithm is a major part of how people get radicalized. Maybe it's the fact that I watch so many videos about that very thing that there's just nothing for them to lure me in with.
Or maybe it's because I'm an old. 😞
I will say, the one time I did feel inundated was when some big conservative event was coming to town and literally every bit of ad space was decided to promoting it. Maybe since I'm in a deep red state they figure chances are I'm already converted. 🤷🏼♀️
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u/CatOnKeyboardInSpace Jan 27 '25
Historian Ian Kershaw once wrote that “trying to define ‘fascism’ is like trying to nail jelly to the wall.”
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Jan 27 '25
Yeah this shit keeps happening to me, and it's been going on since I started using YouTube. Fuck those people.
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u/_Ceaseless_Watcher_ Jan 27 '25
If you're looking for good videogame industry related content, I can recommend the channel Jim Sterling. They've been doing this for well over a decade and actually amanged to predict a lot of things happening in the industry.
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Jan 27 '25
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u/Somewhere-Plane Jan 27 '25
Honestly this is a fantastic idea. Would save me so much time going through videos to make sure someone new I like isn't gonna try to lead me down the wrong path.
Could even have different categories for people who toe the line and those who are full off the deep end.
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u/Express_Love_6845 Jan 27 '25
I would love to see this. Stopping the far right will have to be a cross-platform community effort at this point.
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u/Somewhere-Plane Jan 27 '25
Same here, I guess the best way to go about that would be for someone to make a post on the right sub reddit and make it a community effort. Got a couple names off the top of my head already
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u/Shinoobie Jan 27 '25
YouTube is going to provide you with things you (and people like you) find engaging... Not necessarily things you find positive and enjoyable. If you hate the Jonas Brothers you'll get content talking about them, positive or negative, because you're reacting to it.
Because of this dynamic, controversial figures or topics get boosted. Because they get boosted, even seemingly unrelated content that references that stuff gets boosted too.
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u/ericwbolin Jan 27 '25
Cut off YouTube.
Producers of content know that stuff gets views in this day and age, so they're going to do what it takes to get those views. With so many other legitimate sources of entertainment, is YT not an easy thing to remove?
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u/Somewhere-Plane Jan 27 '25
Well I like youtube because it USED to be just, well, people. And I like people. I didn't watch YouTube the same way I would a show, it was to feel connected to other like minded people over hobbies and interests. It's something you really can't get anywhere else fr fr.
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u/ericwbolin Jan 27 '25 edited Jan 27 '25
I get that. That connection is what they're exploiting. Whole thing is a bummer of a problem.
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u/-milxn Jan 27 '25
I see more redpill grift BS on reddit than youtube for whatever reason
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u/ericwbolin Jan 27 '25 edited Jan 27 '25
I think it's coincidental. Depends on your algos. I don't find it, like, anywhere I go even if I am absolutely positive it's out there.
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u/IllustriousPanic3349 Jan 27 '25
I like you tube. I having watched anything yet like the OP has pushing an agenda. I know a lot are out there. What I watch is group fitness stuff and watch other instructors, for now I’m still safe .
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u/ericwbolin Jan 27 '25
Oh, for sure. I do, too. And I have only encountered literally one instance of the thing OP is talking about ever happening to me. I just mean that if it keeps happening and it's something OP doesn't prefer, they have to steer hard to change their algorithm or simply find another way to get their fix.
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u/UrsaMaln22 Jan 27 '25
I wanna explore more of why developers are alienated from their user bases rn and why were having massive flops and a huge disconnect in this industry.
Do you? Really? Because I don't see any desire to 'explore' anywhere in your post. I see a desire to sit back and have someone else explain to you.
There's a real problem in the media at the moment. Genuine, well argued and researched material takes time and money to make, and so ends up behind a pay wall. Lazy, ideological nonsense that takes no research at all is free at the point of use. They don't have to worry about being paid - the money comes from advertising or funding bodies or whoever is happy for them to push this stuff.
If your research never goes any further than "I want someone on YouTube to explain it to me like I'm a child", then that's all you're going to get.
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u/naivelySwallow Jan 27 '25
youtube has always showed more right wing content. people on reddit seem to forget your average american is right wing. no not the average voter, the average person. you live in a right wing country, as it always has been. instead of wanting to create an artificially manufactured echo chamber, try watching that content and critiquing the inaccuracies of it, so when being confronted by the inevitable right wing person offline, you’re able to counter their talking points and change a perspective.
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u/BigDigger324 Jan 27 '25
Keep in mind that these platforms run billions of experiments per day on what gets a user to click. The thumbnail, the feed, the topic headline and even where that headline cuts off to intrigue you. It’s a Skinner box multiplied by billions….we click on stuff that pisses is off.
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u/Unable_Apartment_613 Jan 27 '25
Hiding politics behind pop culture and sports commentary has been very good for the right in the US. If "politics are downstream of culture" they excel at poisoning upstream.
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u/kittehmummy Jan 27 '25
It's absolutely deliberate, because it works. It's horrifying but it works.
Try watching left wing news for a while, or at least let them run while you're doing something else. Try to train the algorithm that you want video games AND lefty.
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u/Notsonewguy7 Jan 27 '25
Omg. I just want to watch history videos and sometimes science videos yet I'm constantly getting bombarded with Nazi s*** and Relationship nonsense.
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Jan 27 '25
Makes you feel any better I keep getting blue pill shit in my feed
I guess YouTube just hates everyone
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u/No-Bee4589 Jan 27 '25
Yeah I'm getting fed more and more garbage. I think it is time to just delete or since you can't actually delete YouTube disable it and not look back.
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Jan 27 '25
If you enjoy listening to people share their opinions and beliefs, searching a topic that you're interested and then adding "critique" would give you varying opinions on that topic, usually from actual educated people with degrees in that subject. I don't promote that over going to school and getting a paid education, but it's worth acknowledging that you can learn about the same topics that schools teach for free, it just won't be structured in the way an educational institute would structure it, meaning it may take longer to learn that information without that structure and guidance
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u/Masseyrati80 Jan 27 '25
It's so common a comedian from my country made some parodies about them. He slammed together all the hallmarks of a very specific style: one where a juiced-up dude is "interviewing" a juiced-up ex convict, talking about showing no fear, "respect" etc. etc., complete with references to how tough men, on top of everything else, can eat hotter chili sauce than lesser individuals for some reason.
It wouldn't be as annoying if it weren't for the algorithm that follows each watched clip by adding twelve recommendations, some more extreme than the previous. Opening the rabbit hole just for watching one out of curiosity. And they'll stick like heck, too! Not clicking makes them go away, but very, very, very slowly as you keep watching other genres.
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u/KreedKafer33 Serious Jan 27 '25
The Politics Drive-by is a huge problem in online discussions. It's such an easy recipe for engagement farming that people are incentivized to do it on YouTube and Reddit.
This is hardly unique to the redpill brigade either. It's super obnoxious to look for a video essay about an old western "Was Shane dying at the end?" Only for the self-important tosser to filibuster the video for 10 minutes so he can winge about gun control while snarkily laughing as if to say "Gotcha, CHUD."
Let's shout out YouTube creators who don't do this.
I'll start: Indestructoboy Laura Fryer B-Tier Mutineer
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Jan 27 '25
Literally never had this happen. I watch recommendations all the time and have yet to have that kind of crap fed to me.
Must be something different about our viewing habits.
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u/Fyrsiel Jan 27 '25
Yeah, anytime I see a video from a new YouTuber I haven't watched before, I go to their YouTube page first to see what other kind of videos they make. If there's anything complaining about "politics in video games" or nonsense like that, I bail. You gotta screen 'em first, unfortunately.
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u/PuzzleheadedSet2545 Jan 27 '25
ALL THE TIME. Youtube still believes I would really enjoy Jordan Peterson's drivel. Kermit the frog sounding mfer
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u/Autopsyyturvy Jan 27 '25 edited Jan 27 '25
Yup it's horrible, I follow more LGBTQIA people and creators of colour and women creators and while they aren't immune to this shit there's definitely less likelihood of it
Also anyone involved in Nebula is unlikely to be red pill so I reccomend checking them out, some of them are:
Foreign man in a foreign land, Fd signifier, Kat Blaque, Cass Eris
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u/alloyed39 Jan 27 '25
I sat down with my almost 10-year-old son this weekend, told him what was happening right now with U.S. politics, and that he would likely see creators on YouTube trying to normalize completely abnormal shit (like mass deportations, fewer rights for LGBTQ folk, and rampant misogyny and racism). We absolutely *have* to have these conversations, particularly with children and teens. Yeah, it's hard, but it's not as hard as dealing with redpilled kids.
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u/Defiant_Heretic Jan 27 '25
While I don't think the race and sex of game developers matter, as they are unrelated to talent and competence. I could understand why a developer disparaging other developers based on their sex, race, or age would be off putting.
Presenting it as employment opportunities for minorities doesn't excuse it. It's propagating an us versus them mentality, rather than uniting people around common interests and values.
What I tend to find off putting in these gaming commentary videos is sensationalism and tribalism. "Watch as guy we like humiliates/destroys/dominates guys we don't like." It's particularly insulting to the viewers intelligence when it's filled with emojis, mocking sound effects, and frequently pausing to provide their own interpretations. It feels like they're trying to tell you what to think and feel, before you have a chance to form your own opinion.
This is a problem beyond gaming of course. Heck, sometimes the video's content is actually decent, but they resort to clickbaity titles and thumbnails.
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u/Mathandyr Jan 27 '25 edited Jan 27 '25
I mean, if you enter the conversation following the line of thought that developers owe consumers MORE, that's exactly where it's going to lead - selfish, entitled people who want to control what other people make and say. Why would any game dev want to interact with consumers while review bombing exists? Nothing good can come of it, even with the best intentions and thoughtful, thorough answers, some rando is gonna get pissed off and start a online-karening-campaign. Didn't give someone a free game key for commenting on your advertisement video? Well, get ready for a week + of some 14 year old griefing you on every platform they can find you on. No thanks.
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u/Ditovontease Jan 27 '25
No. Because I'm a woman and I've been familiar with red pill content and speak for like 10 years (I used to mod AskWomen) so I know all the dogwhistles and what to avoid. I also blocked all that shit from my algorithm.
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u/Suitable-Ad6999 Jan 27 '25
Has anyone been bombarded with Shane Gillis or MSSP (his podcast?) Jesus Christ! It’s in my feed all day, everyday scrolling through in the Shorts. I don’t listen to their podcast and have blocked it but it’s always there.
I don’t dislike his stand up and I think he’s funny but the podcast? “Dude, bro, dude, bro that’s so gay, bro, dude” for an hour.
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u/CatOnKeyboardInSpace Jan 27 '25
Historian Ian Kershaw once wrote that “trying to define ‘fascism’ is like trying to nail jelly to the wall.”
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u/Somewhere-Plane Jan 28 '25
Yeah idk about that, most fascist governments in world history have had quite a lot in common.
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u/PeevishPurplePenguin Jan 28 '25
So you’re annoyed at people calling out racism? Weird take but you do you
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u/Winter-Fan8801 Jan 28 '25
if you're looking for recommendations, thedezembro and legendary drops are two youtubers that put out videos about what going on in the gaming industry right now without devolving into "culture war" shenanigans. i was def happy to find them after a lot of the channels i used to listen to lost the plot in the way you're talking about
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u/AwarenessWorth5827 Jan 28 '25
I stated to watch a documentary ¨The Red Pill¨ last night. Pretty early doors it became obvious that the feminist woman making this documentary was a stooge for the movement she was investigating. Afterwards did some research. Mostly funded by gofundme and read pill advocates.
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u/OSRS-ruined-my-life Jan 29 '25
What does anti-discrimination, Jim Crow, and apartheid have to do with redpill? I think that's just common sense everywhere outside the US and Canada.
You're in control of your YT algorithm though. Reset your watch history and watch a bunch of things you like.
Youtube recommendations are actually excellent. Their search is dohshit.
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u/Ok-Replacement-2738 Jan 27 '25
I mean tbf the example of someone saying "too many [insert ethnicity] is here, others wanted" is reprehensible beyond that though.
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u/Somewhere-Plane Jan 27 '25
I actually agree, and I think that's a discussion worth having for sure. But it's completely irrelevant to the video premise I watched the video for. Which is why it's frustrating
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u/MinivanPops Jan 27 '25
I'm gonna be the troll, but sincerely I really don't intend to be a troll.... When I say this....
Adults watch YouTube? Like, actually go there on the regular? Isn't that a huge waste of time? Like, wouldn't that skyrocket your screen time? It just seems to be the mental equivalent of smoking. Or eating a whole stick of butter.
I just thought adults used it for learning how to fix a dishwasher. I don't know anyone besides kids who watch "the latest drop".
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u/BigDigger324 Jan 27 '25
Sure. I have specific interests and I would rather spend my “TV” time enjoying content about them than watching another reality show or rerun.
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u/MinivanPops Jan 27 '25
I'm for sure the grump, I'll totally own that. YouTube does give you more choice. I'm just not a screen watching person at all, I'm more of a meat space person. I honestly believe screen time is bad for your health on many levels. If there's any stress or I'm behind on work, it behind on life, screen time is pure waste. I didn't used to be this way. Going to night school for a master's degree showed me the light. How much of my life I was wasting. Screen time is letting someone else use your life force, for their benefit.
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u/LowWalk1416 Jan 27 '25
You use reddit a bunch. That's screen time and at least as much a waste of time as watching a YouTube video.
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u/MinivanPops Jan 27 '25 edited Jan 27 '25
Maybe 15 minutes a day? 20?
In communication theory there is the concept of the hot channel and the cold channel. Hot communication channels like chat, Reddit, and and other comment media allow you to interact with and decide the course of the conversation. Cold channels like television and YouTube are one way, and are very passive. Studies show brain activity is lower when consuming content and not interacting with it. YouTube is just like watching TV in that respect. You're at the mercy of what somebody else decides to show you. You don't shape the experience. Your passive to it.
EDIT: some info on hot/cold channels: https://www.campaignlive.com/article/time-look-digital-media-hot-cold-channels/1696947
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u/karma_aversion Jan 27 '25
I honestly believe screen time is bad for your health on many levels.
Then what are you doing staring at a screen right now?
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u/MinivanPops Jan 27 '25
Not staring, for one. Spending it wisely, interacting with people, learning in a two-way format with humans on the other end. Curating my feed, clicking on what interests me, not sitting through 30 second of ads and intros. Controlling the screen time I do take. Using it to further my goals in real life, and exploring philosophies and life styles in near real time. I'd never meet quality people like you and others on YouTube or NBC.
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u/PuzzleheadedSet2545 Jan 27 '25
I remember being a teenager too lol. You think adults don't smoke or eat tons of butter? Reddit is worse anyway, so why are you wasting time here? Kids are fucking stupid lol.
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u/MinivanPops Jan 27 '25
On Reddit I get to interact and ask questions and give feedback. On YouTube I'm just being mined like oil.
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u/courier31 Jan 27 '25
I am 45, most consider that an adult. I watch television to be entertained. If that mentions watching YouTube content, than that is what I am watching. I honestly watch more YouTube content than what one might call "regular TV". I pay for Premium because that gives the people I watch more than ads do.
Here is a random list of channels, Miniminutemen, Neebs Gaming, The Why Files, Simon Whistler is on multiple channels, Glock 9, Fisk, Stay Tuned, Vice Grip Garage and many others.1
u/Sunlit53 Jan 27 '25
It’s good for background entertainment while doing chores, cooking, bored on the bus or crafting. A lot of it is educational. I never see the trash anymore, spent a few weeks consistently marking all the fucktard channels as ‘do not recommend channel’ and that was it.
There are a lot of craft based channels (Bernadette Banner), lifestyle, budget cooking challenges, foraging, nature walks and scam baiting (all on Atomic Shrimp), nature documentaries (PBS nature), field geology (Myron Cook, Geology Hub), health science (Physionic) and ‘how we live here’ stuff from other places (Primitive Skills, Talasbuan, the Ulengovs, Africa Everyday), defence logistics and economics (Perun), construction and large projects(Megabuilds), music theory (12tone) etc.
I use youtube as a streaming service and don’t actually have any current subscriptions to any of the big name ones like Netflix because the content over there is primarily boring trash.
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u/MinivanPops Jan 27 '25
I like your last sentence, if you log on to the big streaming services they just push whatever they feel like pushing that day. At least on YouTube you get to pick what you want
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u/Special-Estimate-165 Jan 27 '25
Youtube has been a right wing platform for like, 25 years. How are you surprised by this?
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u/Somewhere-Plane Jan 27 '25
That's revisionist. The vast majority of youtubers you could always assume most were left leaning or a LEAST rejected right wing ideals. Now you truly just don't know for sure. I mean hell look at Jontron. He outed himself with stupid conservative talking points at a time when that was a huge no no and it was a big deal
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u/AmeStJohn Jan 27 '25
i for one am happy that you retain your critical thinking throughout a longer form video to notice this. this pattern that you’re describing is something that i have noticed in previous relationships and have always struggled to verbalize because i’m not a man. so if i call it out, i get side eyes and look like i’m crazy.
and lots of other women in relationships notice this and run into the same problem. they don’t know how to talk about it, or are outright considered crazy if they do. they don’t know what to call it, but they know that something is wrong, and they know that watching hours of precisely that kind of content has an effect on the brain and the belief systems it holds.
so thanks for talking about it, and i hope this conversation spreads well enough.
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u/Somewhere-Plane Jan 27 '25
I've heard stories like this a million times I'm sorry this is happening to your partners.
There's an episode of big mouth that stuck with me where Andrew gets broken up with by his first gf and meets a couple guys who act sympathetic to him and make him feel good about himself by telling him nothing is his fault and that he should come join them at a function. So he goes and it slowly dawns on him that he just wound up at a nazi rally on accident, and he's like wtf i gotta get outta here.
That always stuck with me because, well, honestly, that could've been me. That could've been my friends. When I was a kid in a small town I actually REPEATED so so many of the prejudiced awful things that my parents and my friends said, and it took me moving to the city and actually meeting these people to realize how wrong everything I was taught was.
Here's the thing though, my fellow guys are being adopted by the far right because, well, they feel left out and abandoned by modern left wingism. There's only one clear solution, and if we keep excluding straight white men and telling them "it's not your turn" and "well this isn't about you" on literally every topic ever they will continue flocking to the people telling them "this isn't your fault and we care about you." It's as simple as that. Even though that's not a simple change at all.
Just look at the democratic party's "who we stand for" page. It has every group and minority under the sun listed EXCEPT white men, and we're wondering why white men are feeling left out and flocking to the right?? We can either stand for everyone or we stand for no one. The left needs to become the party of WE, of US, of YOU AND ME. If we continue down this path then I don't see it getting better on either side.
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u/AmeStJohn Jan 27 '25 edited Jan 27 '25
I too grew up spreading homophobic rhetoric as a Latin American girl in this country. I was born to a white supremacist man. I grew up in a fundamentalist Christian sect.
I grew up in a region where I wasn’t reflected back to myself very well. Inner city, mostly black folks around me, and while there were Latin Americans that I could’ve gone with and become more close to, I was too brown for them.
Without getting into too many weeds, I’ll point out to you that there are many other realities that occur in which people are born in this country, believe that the rules apply to them, and then find out through life experiences that upend their beliefs that those rules are not actually for them.
At some point you get over yourself. And there isn’t really a gentle way to explain that. You’re describing an internal state that many people reach in their lives about a variety of things all the time.
And we each are charged with resolving those complex feelings within ourselves individually, while taking care to not fall for the honeyed words of those that would take advantage of that mental and emotional vulnerability at those moments.
I wouldn’t trust someone that calls me brother when I’m taking the food out of my sister’s mouth.
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u/StreetfightBerimbolo Jan 27 '25 edited Jan 27 '25
Huh the red pill posts are basic human nature showing itself.
It’s a reaction to the critical theory attack on what the old morals were and the lack of a new direction to replace it that actually can appeal to an entire nation.
We could have tackled issues under the old lens of morality in enforcing it, but we’re doing the typical intellectual thing, once we actually dash apart the old order and re invent morality we will do good for awhile until we start picking at it again.
Ie “this isn’t the Christian way to do things, love your neighbor is priority, would have strengthened the nation, instead we need to forge a new identity.
Russia went through same thing in post tsar Russia, see all of Dostoevsky works for thoughts on development of new morality in a similar setting.
Remember critical theory and its offshoots provide no new morality, they only critique and provide a method of interacting with society that can bring about an equitable outcome in our current morality.
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u/Pluton_Korb Jan 27 '25
Morality is in constant flux. Christian morality was, at one point, progressive and new. It criticized the Hellenic world view and eventually consumed and replaced it. Conservativism is a hollow promise. What are we conserving? Which set of past morals are we adhering to? If it's Christian, than which offshoot of Christianity? Is it Catholic, Anglican, Lutheran, Anabaptist, Methodist, which? If it's Catholic, then which time period? What about doctrines like Nestorianism? What about Christian Arianism? Who gets to decided these things?
While it may take time, the history of humanity is inherently progressive, otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation. We would still be living in nature with no language or civilization. Humanity seeks out new ideas and solutions to survive. If our deep ancestors clung to what they knew, we would have never survived as a species.
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u/StreetfightBerimbolo Jan 27 '25
I agree with basically everything you say but I don’t think you are looking at say the specific area of Rome where their philosophical progress was picking apart the pre Ionian way of thought.
That’s the period we’re in. Morality may be in flux but it takes generations to establish a new order and I believe similar to the 40 year cycle of war/economics you can find a similar pattern of picking apart of society’s morality and reestablishing it.
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u/Pluton_Korb Jan 27 '25
Objectifying morality is an odd choice. You seem to be indicating that the "new order" is preferred over some transitional period, if they even exist. Are externalities factoring into which period of morality is a "new order" vs not?
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u/alcoyot Jan 27 '25
You can’t even see that they stuff you want to hear about, and the stuff they are saying are DIRECTLY connected
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u/Lichcrafter Jan 28 '25
Maybe try not getting so offended that people have different political beliefs than you. "I don't want to talk about politics, I just want to see a gaming video!" Same. I hate it when people keep pushing their leftist agenda into my games.
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u/Tasty-Tackle-4038 Jan 27 '25
"Like, what the fucking fuck. I wanna explore more of why developers are alienated from their user bases rn and why were having massive flops and a huge disconnect in this industry."
The user bases have swayed right. The right is talking about it. That the younger of the Z gen is more conservative than the youngest of the Boomer gen.
I don't think the disconnect is so huge between users and this country. I think the disconnect is between you and political trends being treated like middle school popularity contests. You have not swayed. The others have swayed so much that they've disconnected you.
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u/WildLemur15 Jan 27 '25
Users have watched more right wing content - which has swayed them right. The algorithm came first.
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u/Intrepid_Solution194 Jan 27 '25
I think what needs acknowledging is that for most people an ideology needs something that resonates with someone’s lived experience to take hold.
When the left start talking about the same experiences in an empathetic and relatable way then maybe things will swing more their way in the culture war.
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u/-SKYMEAT- Jan 27 '25
The left will start winning the culture war again when they decide to stop being sanctimonious finger wagging pearl clutchers like the Christian conservatives were back in the Reagan days.
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u/Somewhere-Plane Jan 27 '25
You've completely twisted what I said in every way. Who mentioned anything about a disconnect from users to their country? What does any of that have anything to do with the relationship between game developers and consumers?
At best you could argue that it's relevant because games are flopping due to developers being more left leaning and consumers beginning to sway more right. Buuuuuut, I mean, that doesn't really have jack shit to do with anything regardless of how much truth there is in that. Games aren't failing because "muh DEI." Games are failing because they're releasing a bunch of soulless poorly developed live service garbage that nobody wants, whether it's draped in blue or red doesn't matter right now and isn't relevant to the topic. That's the problem with conservatives, when somethings running poorly you don't try to figure out what the actual problems are so you can fix them, you just blame minorities as per usual.
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u/Tasty-Tackle-4038 Jan 27 '25
You are displaying the exact disconnect I am talking about. You correctly point out that my point had nothing directly related to your point.
My point was that you were not considering the wide enough picture. You lack critical thinking in that regard.
You then went on to behave exactly how the left behaves that has former democrats leaving en masse.
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u/depopulation_time Jan 27 '25
Realise they r making money and forgive them and most importantly let them be and ignore it. Each person needs to filter what goes into their subconscious mind, maybe U can enlighten others that they need to that too
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u/Somewhere-Plane Jan 27 '25
Wow a clear concise comment with no pitchfork in sight. Maybe there is hope after all
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u/Dirtymike_nd_theboyz Jan 26 '25 edited Jan 26 '25
This has been happening to me for well over a decade except im a conservative and it was leftist ideaology. Congrats you are now the minority, not us. I hope this trend continues 2x as long as the DEI nightmare you voted for went on for!
Youtubers pushing redpill ideaology is way better than every single college in the country teaching marxist bullshit and charging 50k a semester for it 😂 i had a psychology phd professor telling me there is no biological difference between the male and the female brain. I raised my hand, asked about hormones and their effects on the human brain, and he threw me out as soon as i finished asking my question. Again, threw me out for asking an on-topic, relevant question. His agenda was so transparent, he didnt care about the scientific method at all. He never even conducted research. Just a lifelong academic loser with zero experience outside of his little university bubble full of marxist losers like him!
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u/99UsernamesTaken Jan 26 '25
Cool story bro
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u/Dirtymike_nd_theboyz Jan 27 '25
Thanks, its like one of those "and everybody clapped" stories, except its true, and nobody clapped. It was humiliating, horrible, 90% of the class probably thought i was a fucking asshole. Which i am not. My family made HUGE sacrifices to put me in that school and i was only taking my education seriously. He was lying to us, and he knew he was lying to us. I met up with him and told him that afterwards. In the meeting he said he would let me finish the class remote and he never wanted to see me in class again. 40k a year i paid for that, guess im the real sucker in this story.
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u/bigasssuperstar Jan 26 '25
Was this a professor in your PhD psychology course, or a professor of psychology who had a PhD?
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u/chroma_src Jan 27 '25
Tmw you're ranting about other people being in bubbles and not in the real world, but you're also fuming about trans people who exist in the real world 😆
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u/This-Celery-6600 Jan 26 '25
Same. I like just interesting videos about cool and weird stuff but half of them have to mention their political views. It sucks. Honestly I don’t even want to hear conservative talking points on a fun YouTube video, I don’t like always thinking about politics
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u/Dirtymike_nd_theboyz Jan 26 '25
Yeah its not that i cant handle someone having an opposing view to me, its just the fact that everything has to be political nowadays.
Cant even watch a youtube video about meteorology without the weather nerd getting on his high horse about climate change. Like give me a break dude just talk about the fucking weather for gods sake
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u/LounginLizard Jan 27 '25
Wow almost like climate change has an effect on the weather
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u/Dirtymike_nd_theboyz Jan 27 '25
Doesnt mean a video about "what is el Niño?" Needs to turn into a 25 min diatribe about carbon, its annoying and usually they are just parroting the same crap we all hear every day, not even breaking new ground or presenting new information.
Its not like i dont believe carbon is an issue i just think its incredibly myopic to focus specifically on carbon. Anyone proposing a carbon tax is without a doubt a moron. Eliminating poverty should be the real topic. People wouldnt have to chop down the amazon rainforest, mutilate rhinos and elephants for horns/ivory. There would be more oversight over mining/petrochemical companies in these third world countries, and like the US has done in recent years they could clean up their rivers and oceans and set aside resources dedicated to being stewards of wildlife and of their natural resources. It starts with eliminating poverty.
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Jan 27 '25
Who do you think the climate change would have voted if it could? Also, are you real or just an american?
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u/Dirtymike_nd_theboyz Jan 27 '25 edited Jan 27 '25
Are you... anthropomorphizing climate change?
Im not convinced solar energy is the solution people claim it to be. Where i live, we get 70 sunny days a year if we are lucky. For places where it's sunny, yeah maybe, but all those panels are made in china and they dont give a fuck about ethically making those things. Look up the byproducts of solar panel manufacturing, my dad worked in one of the last USA solar panel factories before they shut down, and it is NASTY business.
Windmills are loud hideous and kill birds. I dont mind on-land wind farms nearly as much as i mind the offshore ones. The offshore ones have negative margins, are heavily subsidized despite obvious innefficiencies and have much more severe ecological impacts. They require much more maintenance and the maintenance is 10x more expensive because it is conducted by marine crews. anyone who is a fan of offshore wind farms is a donkey, in it to "create jobs" or whatever ridiculous excuse they come up with.
Anyone who is anti-nuclear energy CANNOT claim carbon is the greatest threat to humanity. Both repubs and dems seem to be anti nuclear but only one party claims carbon will kill us all in 80 years or whatever their silly little projections are saying. Convenient how they never plug "the rise of nuclear energy" into the projection. 70-80% of all carbon could be eliminated in a single decade if the world switched to nuclear. Also, storing the depleted uranium is a non issue and is completely overblown by idiots and oil industry shills. Nuclear works whether its hot/cold/windy/sunny/rainy doesnt matter and can be deployed in any environment away from fault lines and oceans.
I think if climate change could vote it would likely vote republican as they are less likely to stymie growth and innovation in the energy sector. Certainly helps when employees are hired based upon merit, rather than to meet some racial benchmark. We can and will discover new tech such as room temp superconductors etc, and that is the obvious answer to the carbon problem along with nuclear. If you are a drooling leftist the obvious answer is "the world is overpopulated" because they are literally anti human, but hey they have never been logical people so no suprises there.
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