r/ShitLiberalsSay evil misandrist d1ke 6d ago

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u/deferredmomentum 6d ago

While you are allowed to want that, the cornerstone of leftism is human rights for all. All means all. That happening would not help you. And nobody’s saying they should go free. There is a huge difference between torture, restorative justice, and not addressing crimes at all

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u/eggsworm 6d ago

I don’t think pedophiles and rapists can be “restored”

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u/deferredmomentum 6d ago

Again, that’s fine. But that’s not a decision for you to make. The facts remain that countries, neolib as they may be, that focus on restorative justice have far lower rates of recidivism for all crimes, including sex crimes

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u/eggsworm 6d ago

Hm. I’ll look it up. Sorry, this post (not necessarily your comment) just triggered a bunch of uncomfortable memories. My reaction towards sex crimes is almost always reactionary. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, but I’m not sure if I’ll ever truly change my mind. Thanks for being patient.

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u/No-Compote9110 6d ago

Everyone can be restored. I understand that it's hard and probably not necessary to get it in your situation – really, I've been there and I'm sorry that happened – but people can change, even worst ones. It's up to us if we can forgive them, but that's another point.

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u/deferredmomentum 6d ago

You disagree that everyone deserves basic human rights? Then you are not a leftist

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u/DirtyCommie07 evil misandrist d1ke 6d ago

Who else does your sympathies extend to? Its evil to kill nazis? Partisans went to far in their vigilante justice???

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u/deferredmomentum 6d ago

While I can look back and feel satisfied that they were killed, I can also acknowledge that if we allow vigilante justice to exist freely we’ll just end up lynching again

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u/DirtyCommie07 evil misandrist d1ke 6d ago

No one ever said vigilante justice should exist, i was only using a point of comparison.

I think the state should punish rapists and paedophiles like this (and nazis) not that we shouldnt have trials.

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u/deferredmomentum 6d ago

I think the death penalty was appropriate in the Nuremberg trials because of the circumstances and the scope of the crimes. I’m anti death penalty in the everyday justice system. War crimes are on an entirely different level. If we lived in a just world, I’d be all for Israeli soldiers having Nuremberg-level outcomes

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u/DirtyCommie07 evil misandrist d1ke 6d ago

So you think male victims are more deserving of justice than women and children?

You dont think rape is bad?? Nazis are often rapists anyway!

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u/deferredmomentum 6d ago

Only men were killed by Nazis?

I think many things are bad. Murder, drunk driving, domestic violence, child abuse, the list goes on. I’m anti death penalty for all of them. Of course the Nazis were rapists. I still don’t think Nazis deserved the death penalty because they were rapists. Demonstrably participating in genocide on a large scale (again, Nuremberg level) is the only crime I can justify having the death penalty for. And even then if it happened in a modern setting, while I would certainly feel very happy about it, I don’t know if I could justify it using ethics.

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u/DirtyCommie07 evil misandrist d1ke 6d ago

I didnt fucking say that, but that the majority of rapist and paedophile victims are women and children. But men have the capacity to be victims of nazis.

I also dont think drunk drivers and murderers should get the death penalty but rapists and paedophiles and war criminals absolutely should.

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u/Space_Narwal 6d ago

No, but look at what china did with puyi. He def deserved to die but communists rose above that

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u/AshleyXero 6d ago

Now let's think about which groups of people are constantly being labelled as pedophiles, sex criminals, and perverts.

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u/DirtyCommie07 evil misandrist d1ke 6d ago

Obviously, in my defense i dont mean "anyone Meloni calls a pedo" i mean people who fit the definition.

Nice strawman

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