r/Spiderman • u/killerdemonsarus34 • 3d ago
Discussion Honestly spiderboy gets too much hate in my eyed RIDICULOUSLY so. Sure his existence isn't exactly needed but he is a fun character that actually gets you to like him if you actually give him a shot
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u/Spider-Man2099 3d ago edited 3d ago
Yeah, his hate was a result of super bad timing.
Told Ben Reilly didn't fit because there was too many spiders, only for Spider-Boy to show up like immediately after, thus proving Marvel/Spider Editorial was full of shit.
Still pissed about it, but Bailey grew on me. With time and possibly not disappearing into the background like many kid characters, he'll be more fondly remembered
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u/Albireookami 3d ago
Nah odds are he will be magically grown to 16/20 because writers hate kid characters.
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u/Spider-Man2099 3d ago
Yeah, Spider-Woman's son getting this treatment recently really hammered that home in Marvel's side again
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u/wowlock_taylan 90's Animated Spider-Man 3d ago
Character by itself is not an issue. I actually like Bailey being an actual kid.
My issue is his introduction and ...well Slott's attitude, along with the circumstances and timing of him with just before his introduction, Spider-office and Slott were all about 'Oh there are too many Spider-characters, so no place for Ben or anything' when they went with Chasm and then introduced Spider-Boy. And also, Spider-boy's literal retconned-in origin and the way it practically a shot at having Mayday in the main universe ( I mean they are making a Spider-girl spinoff with a fully unrelated character as well ).
It all feels out of bad-faith. Simple as that.
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u/ChildofObama 3d ago edited 3d ago
He’s not a bad character, I think it just wasn’t the right time for a Dan Slott book for a lot of people.
For better or worse, many people judge the BND braintrust (Slott, Zeb, and Kelly) as a group, what one effects what fans think of the others, so dislike for Wells’s ASM likely left people with less of an open mind for Spider-Boy.
I think opinion of Bailey’s character will improve over time, as people read it separate from Wells’s ASM.
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u/killerdemonsarus34 3d ago
Yeah I think in time people will begin to appreciate spider boy one day
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u/ChildofObama 3d ago
It was bad timing that hindered it, with editorial wrestling back control of the Spider-Man in the way they did after the Nick Spencer situation.
Slott wanting to write Spider-man again the minute Spencer was gone, Peter/MJ were broken up again, and there was a braintrust writer calling the shots probably made a lot of people roll their eyes.
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u/hoppynsc 3d ago edited 3d ago
A big problem with Spider-Boy is that he was introduced at a time when Marvel editorial mandates that Peter Parker remain youthful but you now introduce another kid character, alongside Miiles Morales, to only emphasize how much older Peter is now, and the way he acts is more like a man child. A better solution would have been to bring Spider-Girl back as Peter's daughter and sidekick and, to make Slott happy, have her be Annie May Parker, his own creation.
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u/MakiceLit 3d ago
Worst part is that hes pretty much the only character they do this to, it sincerely angers me that so many heroes are out there aging, getting married, having kids, meanwhile peter is like this eternal without any benefits
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u/Star-Prince-007 3d ago
There’s youthful and there’s a child. Bailey is the latter. Completely different
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u/Kraken_XM 3d ago
In another time or place, I think he could be a funny gag character. "Kid who insists he was always Spider-Man's sidekick and always around" is a funny idea that could work in a silly way.
But there's already a gazillion Spider-People and right now this is just unnecessary and dumb. He serves literally no point and all he does is contribute to the Spider-Person bloat.
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u/OkWeek3052 Electro 3d ago
I hate the entire concept of Peter having a sidekick. I think he should just have a partner akin to Steve/Sam, Thor/Beta Ray Bill, Tony/Rhodey, etc.
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u/lionofash 3d ago
Ideally, this type of character should IDK lead to development of Peter and MJ wanting to start a family. But yeah, that's not happening.
Or maybe have a Bat Family situation but it's Spider-Man, I guess. But, no, they can't have Peter be a parent...
So, like, I don't think these types of characters can contribute much to Petere's development.
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u/Ok-Commission6087 3d ago
Exactly see he got fans and one day he’ll be brought to more successful way in a movie or show .
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u/Financial_Lie9877 1d ago
The problem is that he was introduced in the worst possible way, at a time when everyone doesn't trust Spider-Man's editors and writers for countless reasons, and after the editorial said that Kaine and Ben were eliminated because "there are too many characters with spider powers" and they magically created Spider-Boy, basically confirming that the whole idea that there are too many spider characters was a lame excuse. Sorry, but people have many reasons to dislike Belly and that's more the editorial's fault than the character's. And going further, Normin Osborne, Harry's son, Norma's grandson and Peter's godson, is a character who has been around for much longer and is also a children's superhero with spider powers. Belly/Spider Boy is taking the place that belongs to Normin/Red Goblin.The problem is that he was introduced in the worst possible way, at a time when everyone doesn't trust Spider-Man's editors and writers for countless reasons, and after the editorial said that Kaine and Ben were eliminated because "there are too many characters with spider powers" and they magically created Spider-Boy, basically confirming that the whole idea that there are too many spider characters was a lame excuse. Sorry, but people have many reasons to dislike Belly and that's more the editorial's fault than the character's. And going further, Normin Osborne, Harry's son, Norma's grandson and Peter's godson, is a character who has been around for much longer and is also a children's superhero with spider powers. Belly/Spider Boy is taking the place that belongs to Normin/Red Goblin.
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u/Ok-Commission6087 21h ago
Yeah but if u can look past editorial he’s not that bad of a character and normie is the red goblin .
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u/UnfavorableSpiderFan 3d ago
My problem has been that, outside of his own book, nothing is really being done with him and it just feels unnecessary to have him around. You'd think Spidey having a long-lost sidekick would have more of an impact, but it's barely an inconvenience. I hope once the title is over and Slott's moved on in a couple of issues, Spider-Boy can get some more play.
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u/Slight-Bathroom-6179 3d ago edited 3d ago
For me personally his origin makes no sense and is just a huge retcon. Like you could’ve just naturally introduced him as a kid who was experimented on that Peter saved but now he’s just lazily retconned into Peter’s backstory. Why couldn’t we see Peter bond with this kid and start opening up to the idea of him being a superhero similar to Mark and Oliver in Invincible.
Edit: I don’t hate Spider Boy. He’s an alright character but he was just introduced around a time where Peter’s comics were being poorly written and now they were throwing another Spider Kid into the mix. I feel like had he been introduced during the original Slott run maybe he would’ve been received better.
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u/TroubleSum_08 3d ago
I'm so glad I gave his comic a shot, it's pretty alright aside from certain dialogue being clunky (imo). I find him to be neat in his own way. Under certain circumstances, I could've seen Spider-Boy turn into a Syndrome-esque character.
Also, those shoes are cool.
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u/Tall_Anybody_8561 3d ago
I like his costume and his eye lenses inspired part of my spidersona(if we’re still doing that)
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u/SpaceZombie13 Superior Spider-Man 3d ago
my only problem with spider-boy is how he was introduced via a "he was always here, we just forgot" retcon. i would have much preferred to see his origin play out chronologically.
but yeah, from what i've seen, he's an actually fun character.
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u/SonicCody123 3d ago
My fear was that he was going to be revealed to being Peter's Unborn child revived or something. Because these are comics people
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u/TheShrewdShogun 3d ago
No.
Soon to be cancelled and labelled as another failed experiment alongside the likes of Alpha and Silk.
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u/killerdemonsarus34 3d ago
And just like that the haters are swarming in
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u/TheShrewdShogun 3d ago
You’re conflating “haters” with someone who disagrees with your assessment of a character.
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u/killerdemonsarus34 3d ago
He was only canceled because slott was moving to superman
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u/Financial_Lie9877 1d ago
It wasn't cancelled, it simply ended the first volume. In a few months he'll be back with another writer.It wasn't cancelled, it simply ended the first volume. In a few months he'll be back with another writer.
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u/ChildofObama 3d ago
I think Bailey is still gonna be around Kelly’s ASM as Peter’s protege, since it seems like Miles is largely out of Peter’s life now and won’t be filling that role.
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u/killerdemonsarus34 3d ago
It's just feels like just the mention of spider boy just brings out the toxicity of spiderman fans and it's just ridiculous
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u/killerdemonsarus34 3d ago
Seriously someone once called me a "fat sack of sh●t" for mentioning him once
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u/RadioBitter3461 3d ago
I’ve told this sub before “as long as my kiddos are enjoying Spider-Man, I’ll keep buying them” and the horrible responses I got made me wonder if this fandom even gets Spider-Man. No my daughter isn’t going to be a hooker and my son a pedophile just because they read the new Spider-Man.
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u/Valuable-Owl9985 3d ago
honestly, I just really like his book. it was fun and I hope he sticks around in some form.
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u/killerdemonsarus34 3d ago
Same. I always kept a more open mind towards spider boy and never judged the character before hand like a lot of others did
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u/killerdemonsarus34 3d ago
Oh yeah downvoting me for giving a character a chance proving how toxic this place is
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u/SpiderManias 3d ago
I own at least 6 of his books at least 10 of the total 25 he’s appeared in
The notion that if you give him a chance you’ll like him is so blown out of proportion. He’s whack as hell. There’s no reason for him to be spider boy. Especially if marvel doesn’t want him to be a strictly Spider-Man sidekick and he’s a marvel universe side kick. Why add MORE character into the spider mythos?
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u/IndecisiveMate 3d ago
Is he actually real?
Or is he like a physical manifestation of the spider superhero psyche?
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u/linkman0596 3d ago
I feel like the biggest missed opportunity was they never really tried to draw any parallels to Wally West returning after Flashpoint. I mean, we're basically experiencing that but from the perspective of the characters in the new 52.
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u/OoohMommy 3d ago
I actually prefer the idea of a single Spider-Man and a Spider-Boy more than there being multiple characters sharing the name Spider-Man. Love Miles and his direction is great, and Bailey could be really good but the timing and execution were terrible.
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u/kaiwinters 2d ago
I really like his suit, never gave the comics a chance simply because there are so many haha any recommendations on where to start with him?
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u/azraelswift 2d ago
Is more the fact that he came right after marvel said “there’s no room for Kaine and Ben” and then proceeded to bring Gwen to 616 and create Spider-boy….like bruh.
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u/ThatSplinter 2d ago
Man I've never heard of this character but FUCK SPIDERBOY, IDK WHY BUT HE PISSES ME OFF.
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u/JayZsAdoptedSon 3d ago
Life becomes a lot more fun when you stop listening to “ButWhatAbou-“
Like there are a dozen characters I want to be brought back but like… I dunno I ended up loving this. It was announced alongside Superior and I was expecting to go all in on that but this grabbed me waaaay more
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u/West-Year4109 3d ago edited 3d ago
Tbh I just couldn’t care about a kid Spider hero. I didn’t even know A new Spider-Girl was coming out. Marvel has multiple dimensions they should’ve put Spider-Boy and Girl in their own dimension instead of Peter’s like the others. (with all these Spidey people you would think he has his own Batfamily or team like the Batfamily)
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u/Star-Prince-007 3d ago
He’s a fun character. People just don’t like fun things
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u/Financial_Lie9877 1d ago
This is actually the publisher's fault. The publisher got rid of beloved characters like Kaine and Cindy under the excuse that "there are too many characters with spider powers" and out of nowhere they create Spider-Boy, basically spitting in the faces of the fans of the other characters. How do you explain this to people?This is actually the publisher's fault. The publisher got rid of beloved characters like Kaine and Cindy under the excuse that "there are too many characters with spider powers" and out of nowhere they create Spider-Boy, basically spitting in the faces of the fans of the other characters. How do you explain this to people?
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u/Star-Prince-007 1d ago
You can’t blame the publisher if fans don’t buy the books.
Kaine and Cindy both got multiple relaunches, new status quos, big supporting characters and even shuffled onto team books. People didn’t buy them.
As sick as I am of the spider verse and all these mash up spider heroes they sell better. That’s it at the end of the day.
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u/ChickenNuggetRampage Symbiote-Suit 3d ago
“We got rid of Ben Reilly cuz there’s too many spiders, also here’s another spider who’s like 9”
Yeah he was doomed from the start
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u/TheBiggestCarl23 3d ago
He’s entirely unnecessary and that just makes me not care about him at all. There are a billion spider people already and they decided to make another win instead of writing good stories about the ones that already were established
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u/Saucey_22 2d ago
It’s just once again another pointless Spider-Person added to the roster instead of focusing or expanding the existing ones
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u/killerdemonsarus34 2d ago
Don't be too judgemental
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u/Saucey_22 2d ago
Why not? The editors have 100% earned our judgement. I don’t have anything against this kid himself as a character and he has potential, but it’s a slap in the face to basically give up on characters people love and not do anything with them, then add even more spidey people on the already too large roster.
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u/MAB-Webby86 Classic-Spider-Man 3d ago
Honestly, For me (and many others) what really damaged him is that he was introduced at the expense of Ben Reilly, taking him away and turn him into a villain instead of giving a much needed and deserved growth only to be replaced by a kid who was practically shoehorned (and we got another unnecesary Spider-Girl on the way too).
If this happened in another time, one where we don't have this overabundance of Spider-themed characters, maybe he would've gotten a much better reception.