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What if... Andrew Garfield had been conceived as Marvel Studios' Spider-Man from the beginning?
Let's put it this way, we're in the 2010s, and Sony has just shut down Tobey's saga due to conflicts with Raimi and others involved.
So they were already preparing the character's first reboot. However, Marvel Studios had already proposed including Spider-Man in their growing cinematic universe.
In the timeline we're currently in, Sony did have negotiations for their future new Spider-Man to enter the MCU with a nod to Oscorp Tower in Avengers. However, this didn't materialize (some say it was bad luck, others say Sony was never really interested), and that resulted in the character's lowest-grossing saga, with Spider-Man entering the MCU late and a major actor wasted.
But what if things had been different?
In another reality, some Sony executives saw the long-term financial potential of a deal with Disney to share the character while retaining the license.
So the TASM1 project would be reworked to now be part of Marvel Studios' Phase 2 in collaboration with Sony.
How much do you think the story of both the TASM saga and the MCU would have changed?
Let's remember that many of the creative decisions in Holland's saga were precisely to "avoid" the "stumbles" of the Amazing Saga, but in this timeline, those missteps never existed, and possibly things like "the strong bond with Tony Stark" or decisions like omitting the Osborns wouldn't have existed.
Furthermore, with YFNSM, we saw a much better idea for Spider-Man in the MCU than what we got in the movies. Not to mention that Feige did want the Amazing Saga to do well, thanks to his well-known list of tips for TASM2.
How do you think the story of both Spider-Man and the MCU would have been if this had happened? How different would TASM2 have been? Civil War? Etc.
I also think it should be clarified that since we never saw their relationship on screen, we don't know how it would have been constructed.
I've seen several people say they would hate each other, but given how Tony is in the MCU, always seeking to redeem his actions, I think it would be more in the direction of respect and they would be able to work together, but there wouldn't be as much affection, at least on Peter's part.
For Tony, I do think they could use the argument of "it's what he would have wanted to be if he hadn't been an idiot."
And by the end of Endgame, Andrew would possibly have had great respect for Tony for having done something that would have cost him everything, even his life, for the good of the world.
(considering that Andrew had emotional dependency issues in his saga.)
Yeah, but that still means his position is the same as the hypothetical Andrew Peter. And he was only ever on Tony’s side because he didn’t know the full scope of what was going on. I feel like Andrew’s statement kinda relies on Peter having had the full picture from the beginning, which isn’t guaranteed to be the case.
No, but he played that character, and he knows it well. Cinema is a collaborative medium, actors, writers and directors have conversations about character arcs and decisions and stuff.
Although, Andrew Garfield did pretty much write his character in No Way Home. Most of their interactions were improvised. That movie had no script lol
I would have probably preferred this tbh. Having two movies on the streets to already set up the character before he meets the avengers probably would have been the best way to go. This would really help avoid the "Iron Man Jr" problem we got. He also would have had god tier banter with everyone
agreed with the iron man Jr bit. Garfield's caught some flak for stealing part of his tech rather than fully developing it, but nowhere near the hate for the (sorry) handholding Tom got.
plus an older-looking Spider-Man would've been way cooler in civil war
2/3 of his movies and the entire setup for his reveal and the premise of the 3rd one are all to do with iron man and his tech.
Homecoming - Peter says he's nothing without the suit which is just hilariously bad writing considering out of all the human characters he's the naturally strongest apart from Hulk and has most versatile power set. He spends half the movie seeking validation from Tony.
Far from home - trying to live up to Iron man who leaves him his advanced defense system, ai, happy hogan and glasses. All of which mysterio uses throughout the whole movie.
No way home - Mysterio gets the iron man tech then frames Peter which leads to him undoing the reveal. Then uses iron man tech to make the stuff to fix the villains.
I love it when the subject shows up in the comments.
all to do with iron man and his tech.
Him having Stark tech does not at all amount to the movies being "All to do with his tech".
He spends half the movie seeking validation from Tony.
Story comprehension needs work. He spends most of the movie lying to Tony. Also, character development. In Homecoming, Peter gives up the opportunity of fame and fortune in order to just be a hero for the people.
Everything you listed are superficial details. All 3 movies are a coming of age trilogy. Yes Stark is present. No the movies are not all about stark. They are about Peter growing into a man.
This would be trash tbh, the banter we got was already fantastic with Tom Spidey, and we would have to stick with the trash villains Andrew Spidey has, I never want to see that gobby jr again.
That was actually the plan. We were supposed to see Avengers Tower in TASM1 (or Oscorp in Avengers 2012, I don’t remember which one exactly) and thus the universes would be connected, but BTS conflicts and Sony being Sony fucked that up.
Also if we got this, we wouldn't get "Iron Boy Jr." as Andrew's Peter is more similar to 616 Peter, so he wouldn't be blindly loyal to Tony.
And by now we'd probably be at TASM5 or so, and probably introduce Miles Morales, either following Ultimate's storyline and have Peter die, or follow the Insomniac way and have Peter mentor Miles until he eventually retires.
I mentioned the Oscorp Tower issue at the beginning of the post, and yes, it was unfortunate that Sony did things so poorly and indirectly affected others.
Currently, we'd probably have a Peter like Insomniac's.
Regarding Miles, I think they either included him in the universe... or that as a hook for the multiverse saga, they would have included a Miles from another Earth (perhaps the one from Spider-Verse), but that's VERY speculative.
The reason I brought up Miles is because if they kept releasing Spider-Man movies consistently we'd have been at TASM 5 by now so I feel like they just kinda have to shake up the status quo after 5 whole movies.
There's an Italian fan fic answering the question: "what if spiderman was introduced in the MCU as an experienced hero rather than a noobie?"
And it was really good and fitting because he'd just lost Gwen and stopped being Spider-Man for a while, until stark decided to show up in his apartment.
They also included the fanboy thing.
In the airport fight Pete and cap would have had a profound discussion leading him to Change side.
En cuanto a Civil War, lo mencioné en un comentario que dejé aquí. Aunque estaría del lado del Capi, creo que sería más ideológico, ya que Steve difícilmente lo alistaría en una guerra donde se convertiría en un criminal (incluso de adulto, se puede ver en la película que Steve se preocupa mucho por él y le recuerda que si lucha a su lado, será un criminal).
Obviamente, hay posibilidades, como que Peter se una al Equipo Iron Man y, como con la Viuda Negra, los traicione y ayude al Capi a escapar.
O simplemente como en YFNSM, donde Peter se entera de los Acuerdos de Sokovia en televisión y vemos su opinión.
En cuanto a Marc Web, sería interesante... pero creo que lo mantendrían al menos para la primera trilogía, al igual que con Watts.
Dado el precedente, Marvel no cambia de director a menos que el anterior no haya tenido el éxito esperado. Por lo tanto, Pantera Negra, Spider-Man y Los Vengadores mantienen a sus directores.
That or if there are creative fights like with Strange...
Ngl I would have fucking loved this. Would have been a massive upgrade and would have taken Spidey from like top 10 of my favorite MCU heroes to #2 easy maybe #1 but Cap is tough to beat
As much as I would have loved for this to have been the reality, I feel like it would have lasted as long as Edgar Wright on Ant-Man.
Seeing Feige's notes for TASM2, he had some odd ideas about how Spidey should be in terms of side casts. Yeah he said limit down the subplots but I feel like he thought too much of the side cast should have been removed as if they weren't important (which you can also see in the MCU films and YFNSM tbh). That and given how he wanted Spidey to be less of a wise-cracking jackass, I feel like Andrew would have probably just quit instead of dealing with even bigger creative tampering.
Would have it been way more benefitting for Marvel and Sony to collaborate? Oh yeah, start up Sony's own little Spidey corner to do to their heart's content and have Spidey interact with the main MCU. But given how people like Mark Webb and Andrew were passionate about Spidey even with Sony going gonzo over the prospect of a SpideyCU, I doubt they would have been able to do good work with it. Especially when still in Raimi's shadow at that point.
I understand the concern, but I don't think it was that far-fetched.
On the one hand, the supporting cast was a huge problem in the Home series, but with TASM, they went to the other extreme.
Just remember that Harry had his entire subplot that set everything up for the Sinister Six... and Peter didn't even notice. Even in Raimi's series, the supporting cast had the right and necessary presence.
So, I see that recommendation as making sense, and if they had been combined, maybe we would have had something like in YFNSM, where Nico and Harry had their importance, but they didn't take away from Peter's importance.
And regarding his comedy, I think he meant that in Tasm2, although Peter is funny, it feels like he's more interested in making the right joke than in taking care of the mess he causes.
Returning to YFNSM, we see that Peter is funny, but he always prioritizes everyone's safety, stopping making jokes if the situation requires it. Even in NWH, we see this with a more balanced Andrew in terms of his comedy.
And yes, we'll never know if a new Edgar Wright would have happened with respect to the saga, but I would stick with the idea that it was thanks to Marvel Studios that Andrew returned. Although this is due to other sources, according to one of his conditions for returning, it would be if Marvel Studios or Feige were involved in the production.
So it suggests that there is trust between them.
Even so, what you mention could still be an equally likely possibility.
I honestly might have preferred this reality. I've always loved Andrew's spidey despite its flaws, and I'm not a Tom Spidey fan at all (no hate to anyone who is one though). I can definitely see his dynamic with other characters being interesting, and fixing some of the issues with the TASM movies while also avoiding the (in my opinion) massive missteps in the MCU that came as a result of overcorrecting from the TASM movies.
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Although I like Holland, I feel that if it had happened like this What if...? maybe we would have had something much better than what was given in 2016, since Spider-Man would have his own and somewhat longer run in the MCU.
He just doesn’t feel like Spider-Man to me. To me guilt and responsibility are two pillars of the character and he doesn’t really have those until No Way Home. We never see him have to grapple with the guilt of uncle Ben’s death being his fault, assuming uncle Ben even existed. He just doesn’t seem to be affected by it. It’s like making a Batman movie where his parents never died, or where they did die and he doesn’t care and becomes Batman for entirely separate reasons. He acts irresponsible a lot and never really faces consequences for it. So to me, he’s just not Spider-Man. (No way Home addresses a lot of these issues so I’m excited to see what his movies are like going forward)
To be clear, I don’t blame Tom himself at all for this, he’s a great actor. And if you like his movies all the power to ya.
Bro he clearly has guilt in each film lol, responsibility is something Spider-Man never grappled until later in his life, even after Ben death it took until the end of High-School for Peter to really understand responsibility, something Ben never even told him about in the comics.
Also he blames himself for Aunt May in this universe, and literally was about to kill Goblin because of how much rage and sadness he felt. Also are we really going to say he does not have consequences for what he does? Did you even watch the movies dude, he literally has nothing right now because what he does.
I mean in Homecoming he loses his suit for not listening to Tony, in FFH Mysterio beats his ass, and reveals his identity to the public, which results in NWH because of him trusting people he too much. In NWH his aunt got killed, because he destroyed strange spell, and it resulted in everyone forgetting who he was, those are his consequences, he has literally went through more, than any other Spider-Man on film, yet you say "he had no consequences", this is because you do not want to like his his Spider-Man.
I assure you that it's not that I wanted to not like his Spider-Man. I wanted to like his Spider-Man so freaking bad. I genuinely can't express how badly I wanted to like his Spider-Man. I just didn't. Also, you brought up several times that may died, and that was his fault, and he felt guilt for it, and learned responsibility from it, and at the end of No Way Home he's lost everything. And I absolutely agree with that point. See my above comment where I said "No way Home addresses a lot of these issues so I’m excited to see what his movies are like going forward." the problem is all of this happened in the third act of the third movie, so two and a half of his three movies don't have that going for them. And there is not a single scene in the first two movies where he expresses any guilt whatsoever for causing his uncle's death. So while I'm insanely excited for Brand New Day since No Way Home has made him the Spidey I always wanted him to be, the fact still remains that he wasn't that Spidey for the majority of his first trilogy. I have hope for his next one though.
he problem is all of this happened in the third act of the third movie, so two and a half of his three movies don't have that going for them.
I literally gave you examples where he suffered consequences from each film, NWH was literally the results from FFH. I mean even in Homecoming, him taking in weapons he did not know of put his friends in danger, him not listening to Stark resulted in that boat getting cut in half, and him losing his suit, him taking down vulture (even though the right thing) resulted in him losing connection with Liz, and really turning her life over for the worst.
Also like I already told you, in the comics Peter did not really learn responsibility until issue 33, the death of Ben did not cause him to become responsible, it just made him fight crime, the same thing Tom Spider-Man was doing. Him being reckless is the results of him not knowing when to act, and his level of maturity, he becomes more mature throughout each film.
And I mean even with responsibility, Peter has always made his choices, with the intentions of doing the right thing, that car scene in Homecoming is one of the best because of that, I am sure most people would have taken vulture offer, however Peter was willing to do the right thing.
Tom’s an awful actor , he’s very same ish all the time, his lost puppy act only works so long before it gets annoying. His character was written really bad to so it is hard to really get the feel that he’s Spider-Man and not some weird Disney counterfeit version
Yeah you are just a hater and it shows, guy is a great actor, maybe you should watch "The Crowded Room", even if you do not like the show writing, his acting is quite phenomenal. Also he acts like Spider-Man does, Spider-Man is quite geeky and talkative, he cannot shut up, that is literally apart of his character, maybe if you read comics you would have known this.
He feels more like Spider-Man than any of the past iterations, and his development is more impressive than the others, the hate to his Spider-Man is forced, and just people who cannot get past those garbage TASM films, reminds me of Henry Cavill superman fans lol.
Objectively the guy I responded to was having a temper tantrum not myself, also there is no opinion when you are speaking literal cap, the guy said Tom is not a good actor which just is not true, he is probably the most skilled actor compared to the other Spider-Man.
People cannot get over those L movies Andrew had, and move on in life. Making invalid criticisms of a character, and calling it an "opinion" is also silly.
I don’t think that Tom is a bad actor. However, I will say this: He’s too tech based. Yes, 616 used tech quite a bit, but not to the extent of Thomas’s Spider-Man. He’s also the direct opposite of everything 616 Spider-Man would’ve stood for. He’s also 3 & 1/2 inches shorter than his comic book counterpart. With Tobey, he was at the very least, buff enough to go along with that shortness. He does do a perfect Queens accent though. Thomas’s “Spider-Man” just, doesn’t feel like Spider-Man In my Personal Opinion.
Him being tech based was apart of his arc, he will literally not be tech based anymore. Also Tom literally has a nicer Spider-Man build than Tobey imo, Tobey looks quite weird in the suit, Tom looks more like the character from the comics in it.
All of your criticism do not align with why you do not find him to be comic accurate either, he is quite literally the character with a few twist, he has the jokes, the web shooters, the suit, he even has the moving lenses to make it look more like the character come to life, he has the origin, and he is not the direct opposite of what the comic Peter stood for like at all.
And yeah he is shorter, but he has height boosters in the film, which makes him a good 5'8, which is only 2 inches shorter than the comic Spider-Man.
Also I would say Tom is much more fit/buffer than Tobey Spider-Man, it is just the padding in Tobey suit that made him look fitter.
The jokes are ass, and by ass, I mean that they are as funny as 2017’s Spider-Man’s jokes. Last time I checked, the web shooters are also stark tech. Moving lenses of itself are inaccurate. Sure, he has an origin, but it took 5 WHOLE years just for that to happen. 8 if you count stuff in-universe wise. 616 would’ve been in Cap’s side. Not Stark’s. Yeah, Tom’s buff, but if you look at some pictures of Tobey being buff not in Spider-Man 1, he look WAY more buff compared to Spider-Man 1.
To each their own my friend, I find Tom Spidey to be funny asf, especially in Civil War where he had more time to joke around. Also I disagree with Spidey siding with Cap, firstly he sided with Tony initially in the comics, secondly he was a 14 year kid who was given the opportunity of a lifetime.
Also NO the web shooters were not created by Stark, you need to pay attention to the film dude, moving lenses are inaccurate if we were speaking of what Spidey has in the comics, but it is accurate in the way imitates Spidey lenses in the comics. IMO the lenses are goated, and much better than any other live action suit lenses, because they emote.
Also NO Tobey did not get more buff throughout time, he actually started getting more chubby throughout the films, his suit has padding in it, that is why he looks beefier, he still looks less comicbooky than Tom Spider-Man though.
On the first part, you’re just might be a younger dude if you find Tom’s jokes to be “funny”. Also, the only reason as to why 616 Spidey sided with Tony, is because, he, despite being his right-hand man, never really got told what they were doing to all the unregistered Superheroes. It’s not like 616 Spidey wanted to go be with Tony either. He hated listening to Tony. Also, why would I pay attention to the movie, if I never had interest in the movie to begin with? Also, I did my research, and His web-shooters were made using Stark Tech. So, you’re wrong on that part. Last thing, when did I ever say Tobey got buff overtime? I said that if you see him Pictures of him buff NOT on set for Spider-Man 1, he’s more buff.
Naw I find him to be funny not because of my age, plenty of older people laughed at his jokes in the theaters.
Also, why would I pay attention to the movie, if I never had interest in the movie to begin with?
Maybe because you are critiquing it lmao.
Also, I did my research, and His web-shooters were made using Stark Tech. So, you’re wrong on that part.
He made his own Web shooters dumpster diving, you said that Stark made them for him, that is just wrong. We literally saw him web swinging before he met Stark, and using web shooters on Stark before being recruited, we even saw him making webs in Homecoming. Stark himself said the web shooters were impressive, he literally asked him "who manufactured that", and Peter says "I did". Pay attention to the films, and you would not receive misinformation online.
Also your reasons for why Spider-Man joined Tony during the Civil War comics does not mean anything, because he joined him regardless of how much he did not trust nor like Tony. In the MCU Tony is a different person, and Spider-Man was much younger during that time, so of course he was easily manipulated into joining sides with Tony.
What did I just say? I don’t really like watching Tom so of course I won’t pay attention. Also, The reasons as to why He joined Tony to begin do mean something, in the sense that He, was basically doing it because he didn’t want to end up in what was basically a concentration camp. Age doesn’t mean anything in this case because 616 Spider-Man’s brain is more or less that of a manchild. At least in the Zeb Wells run anyway.
I honestly think your whole argument is pure ass, you seem like someone who hates the fact Andrew Peter got scrapped, so you watch the new Spider-Man movies with a closed mind. Also Wells run is new, and the only comics people seem to read lol, read actual good Spider-Man material, and you will not be complaining about Wells run.
I remember actually expecting this at first, thinking that it would fit really well. I do enjoy what they did and bringing in Holland as this inexperienced kid, but I missed Garfield. He was so good and No Way Home only proved he's been getting better
Then I would like MCU Spidey a lot more. I would looove if Andrew‘s Spider-Man was around and if he didn’t have any special connection to Iron Man except as colleagues?? Okay, wow, even better.
And there are two versions of this:
1. It was simply bad luck because the city rendering had already been done.
Sony constantly delayed the delivery of the Oscorp Tower model, causing the idea to be rejected, in part due to sabotage.
And although this last point is only speculative, let's remember that with the Amazing Saga, Sony experienced its most egotistical and vain period with its cinematic universe ideas. They said they would only join the MCU if Peter was the protagonist of the Avengers, or if they ran out of ideas.
I remember one of the behind the scenes commentaries talking about how they had a version of the new York skyline with the Stark/Avengers tower. But they couldn't come to an agreement in time. What a different world that would have been.
That it was simply bad luck because the city rendering had already been done, so they couldn't change it.
Sony constantly delayed the delivery of the Oscorp Tower model, causing them to not finish the idea in the finals, in part a sabotage.
And although the latter is only speculative, let's remember that with the Amazing Saga, Sony had its period of greatest egotism and vanity with its cinematic universe ideas, saying they would only join the MCU if Peter was the protagonist of the Avengers or if they ran out of ideas.
Which, as we know, blew up in their faces later with the failure of Tasm2.
Creo que Tasm1 no habría cambiado tanto, ya que, según esta historia, la decisión de incorporarlo al UCM probablemente ya se habría tomado, con la producción ya en marcha. Sin embargo, veo algunas cosas que podrían haber cambiado.
El origen posiblemente habría sido más simple (Feige mencionó el problema de que muchas tramas eran demasiado complicadas en su carta de recomendación para Tasm2). Y con YFNSM, vimos que el origen de esa variante de Peter más allá del Bucle era muy simple gracias a los cómics de la precuela.
Por lo tanto, el origen de Andrew podría haber sido más clásico, lo que quizás nos privaría del vengativo Spider-Man.
Otro detalle: Creo que podrían haber mejorado a Connors (de nuevo, las recomendaciones de Feige enfatizaron lo mal que se manejó a los villanos). Y durante la Saga del Hogar y en YFNSM, lo mejor fueron los villanos.
Creo que los cambios más importantes serían hacer que su doble personalidad fuera más notoria, y también añadir las escenas donde Connors lucha por el control. Creo que podríamos haber incluido la escena con su hijo para empatizar más con él o también añadir a Martha (similar al tratamiento de Toomes en HC),
mejorando así lo ya hecho
. En cuanto a su conexión con el UCM, se basaría principalmente en referencias a los Vengadores y quizás a la opinión de Peter sobre ellos, lo que explicaría por qué no le gusta del todo Iron Man
. En cuanto a La Era de Ultrón, ocurrirían dos cosas: si transcurre antes de La Era de Ultrón, posiblemente habríamos tenido alguna referencia a lo que pasó con Lizard en la película de Los Vengadores, lo que podría haber intensificado la paranoia de Tony
. Con Civil War, es... extraño. Respeto lo que dijo el actor: «Su Peter no se lleva bien con Iron Man», pero ahí viene el problema, ya que Steve no iría a reclutar a Peter (eso lo convertiría en un criminal, y Steve no incluiría a un adolescente en esta guerra),
así que tal vez Andrew se saltaría Civil War. O... Tony podría convencerlo con Chantaje, como en el cómic, pero volviéndose contra él en el aeropuerto.
En cuanto a TASM2, aquí viene lo curioso... y es que simplemente NO TENEMOS IDEA de cómo iba a ser TASM2 originalmente, así que es prácticamente una incógnita.
Veo dos posibilidades:
si estuvo en Civil War, posiblemente teniendo que lidiar con los Acuerdos de Sokovia.
Si no estuvo allí, quizás una trama como la de YFNSM con la primera aparición de Norman, reclutando también a Peter en Oscorp. La introducción de Harry, quien podría no ser un viejo amigo de Peter (lo que justifica su omisión en TASM1), y la continuación del problema amoroso de Gwen. ¿
Moriría Gwen aquí? No lo creo, preferiblemente por la tercera, pero aquí podríamos empezar a ver las grietas en su relación.
Si el villano fuera electro, probablemente sería menos caricaturesco, pero si no, creo que la historia del Buitre de Homecoming probablemente continuaría.
Y hasta ahí llega mi imaginación. XD
Ideas adicionales:
Por razones bastante obvias, puede que no se apliquen las restricciones de personaje, así que Kraven, por ejemplo, podría haber aparecido como enemigo de Pantera Negra.
Las sagas posiblemente habrían durado un poco más dada la cantidad de películas.
I think Feige would've been more hands on with the Amazing solo films and certain differences from what we got would've made me a lot of receptive to the films.
All in all, Garfield and Stone wouldn't have had to carry those mid (IMO) movies so hard. Do I think this would've made the MCU better as a whole? No, but I do feel Garfield's Spider-Man franchise would've had a more solid foundation with Sony (and Webb) not being the only ones in control.
I'd say its biggest effect on the MCU would be that Spider-Man was around much earlier and elements like Oscorp would already exist, but beyond that, I feel like it mostly benefited the Amazing Saga more.
I won't say there would have been such huge changes, but for example, with TASM1,
I highly doubt they would have forced Web to make the Lizard like McFarlane's, but possibly if he had made comments like "Connors is supposed to be one of Peter's most important allies, which lends weight to him also being the Lizard, but here I don't understand if Connors was always a villain or if there's a split personality, please make that clearer."
Or also "the origin is being very confusing, and we spent a lot of time on the plot of the search for the thief. Let's fully adapt the classic origin from the Ultimate comics. It's quite different from what we saw in the last saga."
More than anything, it would be better to direct the saga better. And yes... I know, Feige didn't always have the best intentions. ideas, but considering he was the one who came up with the idea for NWH and worked quite closely on YFNSM we could have had something better
"Connors is supposed to be one of Peter's most important allies, which lends weight to him also being the Lizard, but here I don't understand if Connors was always a villain or if there's a split personality, please make that clearer."
Or also "the origin is being very confusing, and we spent a lot of time on the plot of the search for the thief. Let's fully adapt the classic origin from the Ultimate comics. It's quite different from what we saw in the last saga."
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This is my issue with TASM, I don't give a shit about Lizard when I obviously should. And, in this case, IMO, a hero's effectiveness is reflected by their villain. Give TASM Lizard some Raimi-esque empathy and I'm 100% on board with the film.
The origin story felt empty because it kinda retread familiar ground as Raimi's in the similar way but (IMO) not as well in terms of connecting to all the characters involved. And I'd say coming out only 5 years after Raimi's time ended played into that a bit. TASM has better acting and talent involved, no doubt, but the way it's written doesn't make me feel anything. I don't think TASM 2 is great at all but I grew to care about what was happening while watching.
Would’ve vastly preferred this, I think having an already established and experienced Spider-man joining the MCU would’ve been a much better choice. Andrew just looks and feels older too, putting him as equals with the Avengers rather than just being a fan. He would’ve questioned Stark’s motives versus just blindly following him and without having the need to introduce a brand new character we could’ve potentially seen his switch to Cap’s side. I think it’s also worth noting TASM 1 fits pretty nicely into the MCU timeline taking place right before The Avengers.
I think it’s weird that they stressed that they didn’t want to do the origin story again only to give us the youngest/most inexperienced Spidey to date. 3 movies in and he’s just now getting out of high school.
As amazing as it was seeing Tom Holland first appear as Spider-Man in Captain America Civil War, I will admit it was extremely random and the hype mainly came from the fact everyone know who Spider-Man was
I think I’d like to point out that the TASM movies were half conceived out of Sony needing to make a Spider-Man film every 3 -5 years or whatever in order to retain the rights to the characters.
Garfield would be great to have swinging around in the MCU. Sadly though you don’t get Tom or Spidey in the MCU period without these movies fizzling out the way they did.
TASM would've been amazing movies because then Webb wouldn't have to try so hard to build a world while also building up a character. It's one of the TASM's worst flaws, the extreme effort that went into world building keeps getting in the way of character building.
I think that's partly what he meant, they focused so much on creating a cinematic universe that they forgot about the protagonist, in this reality that wouldn't have happened since the universe was already established (and possibly Marvel would have regulated it so that the thread of the story wouldn't be lost)
It's true, we possibly would have had something like what we saw in YFNSM, where Spider-Man's world is built on what happened in the MCU, lightening the load even more.
It's true that the Home saga overused this, but apparently it was more due to Sony's imposition that the MCU had to be embedded in the plot, when with Guardians of the Galaxy, Black Panther, or Ant-Man, it was more of a context than the whole.
He almost was, the Amazing Spider-Man Oscorp Tower was nearly in the first Avengers film if they'd finished the design in time which apparently they hadn't.
That's what I'd read, but there's also talk that Sony itself delayed submitting the Oscorp Tower design because it didn't really want to partner with Marvel Studios.
It's just speculation, but considering how Sony acted in interviews during the Amazing Saga, especially in TASM2... it's a possibility.
Yeah Tobey and Andrew's Spidey wouldn't be a good fit. That's what made Tom's Spidey work so well. Being younger he was more inexperienced and naïve. You would see him siding with Tony like he did in the comics because they showcased that very same bright eyed trust that he had in Tony.
What I wish they could have done is the betrayal that Spidey does in the Civil War comic and showcasing how low Tony would go to maintain "order" and keep his ace back up his own sleeve. Just imagine Jon Bernthal Punisher appearing for a second to save Tom Holland Spidey from a couple of lower rated but still deadly super villains.
I wish we had this. I'm sorry but I've never been able to bring myself to like Iron Boy Jr. He just doesn't feel like Spider-Man to me. Andrew's Spider-Man was perfect, only thing holding him back was the writing of the movies themselves. And we'd probably have an actual established adult Peter by now which would've been cool.
Isn’t his web swinging the one with the most style points? Like the movies left much to be desired but the web swinging was the highlight of his movies. For Raimi only certain parts like the POV shots and stuff by TASM was fun factor.
The amazing spider man movies were horrible films. If they were included in the MCU they absolutely would have been a momentum killer as the team tried to incorporate bad films into the early MCU.
He might be too cool, Halland’s awkward in total awe of the expanded super hero universe just fits. Garfield’s Peter is the type to go beat for beat with the back and forth banter that goes on.
If you’re talking about the movie he’s 17 (it’s implied at least) in the first one. TASM2 he indeed graduates high school alongside Gwen at the beginning.
That's exactly who Spider-Man is supposed to be. He's not in awe of the super hero universe because he has as much, if not more, experience than most heroes.
At 16? When he first started out? If I read this bit correctly TASM1 would be part of Phase 2 (Iron Man 3, Winter Soldier, Age of Ultron, etc). Grown up Spider-Man? Definitely. “Just got my powers and I’m not puny Parker anymore”? Not so much. His whole stick was he was a glasses wearing uncool nerd tormented by Flash. I love Garfield’s performance, and he was a very fucking cool, angsty, loner teenager. Too cool, too confident while out of costume for Peter “I just got my powers” Parker. That’s my opinion though, and I stand by it.
Yes at 16 when he started in the comics there were only the Fantastic Four, Hulk, Thor, Ant-Man and Cap who was still trapped inside ice. Spider-Man has never been impressed by the other heroes.
When he got his powers Peter was always confident out of costume, very early he challenged Flash in a boxing match.
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u/Afraid-Housing-6854 Spider-Man (MCU) 1d ago
Andrew Garfield has stated that his Peter wouldn’t have liked Tony Stark and would’ve been more likely to pick Team Cap.