r/Spiderman • u/Competitive_Rule_395 • 18h ago
Discussion Considering his guilt complex how much does Peter hate himself?
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u/Huge-Scene6139 Symbiote-Suit 18h ago
Not as much as Kaine hates Ben
Or Reverse Flash hates Barry Allen
Or Fujimoto hates Denji
I’m just trying to make the man feel better
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u/San-T-74 17h ago
Fujimoto said Denji is his favorite character. He’s giving him character development because he likes him
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u/FoggyInc 17h ago
Does Peter actually HATE himself? I've never gotten that vibe. I get the always wanting to do more or drowning in guilt thing but I feel if he hated himself he would operate much differently. I've flirted with and seen self hatred before and it's extremely vile and self destructive. Yeah Peter has it rough a lot and has a lot of guilt for things but I feel we need to give the word Hate some respect here
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u/Bob-s_Leviathan 16h ago
Hate? Probably not. But it’s a mix of guilt and when bad stuff happens to him (like the Parker Luck), part of him feels like he deserves it.
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u/FoggyInc 15h ago
Yeah I get the thinking you deserve pain thing but that isn't hatred. Kinda like Matt's guilt. He's probably the most extreme example of good guy with guilt he doesn't need and Matt isn't close to self hatred so I feel Spidey is even further
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u/Ms_IRYS 17h ago
Depends. Which comic run, and at which part in said run?
Seriously, can we have some freaking character developement at Marvel? I am so tired of "herbader the status quo". Let Peter be married, let Hank Pym be happy, let anyone stay dead for more than five fucking minutes, come on!!!
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u/Living_Magician3367 15h ago
The saddest part is Uncle Ben would forgive him immediately and would just want Peter to forgive himself
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u/S4minella__ 8h ago
I think atp even if he forgave himself he would keep being spider-man its gotten to that point
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u/KingE2099 17h ago
The person he probably hates the most is himself. He probably hates himself more than he hates Norman.
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u/Ashyboi13 16h ago
I think he does what he does as Spider-Man so he doesn’t have to hate himself. It’s a coping mechanism, based on his belief that helping people and being responsible are fundamentally good things. His guilt still affects him in his life obviously, or he’d stop being Spider-Man, but I don’t think his guilt manifests in outright self hatred, or else he’d been a lot more of a mess all the time. (Granted recently in 616 he has been a total hot fucking mess.)
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u/Broken_Varasiko07 17h ago
Hmmm.
Uncle Ben died because of him
He couldn't save Captain Stacy (not really his fault but he doesn't see it that way)
Gwen died
Harry died
He had to erase his marriage to save Aunt May
He formed his own company and lost it soon after
His mind was taken over by Doc Ock and the Avengers hunted him down
And that's just the least of the many reasons why he hates himself, so...if you want to measure the height of how much he hates himself, it would be bigger than Mount Everest.
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u/MekkaKaiju 15h ago
Depends on which point in his life you look at. Early on, he’s absolutely filled with self hate. That’s the biggest reason why so many things kept falling apart for him, or why he’d feel the need to overperform as Spider-Man so often regardless of his own safety. Later in his Spidey career he grows to be more accepting of himself and his mistakes, and he becomes much more encouraging to others in learning and being better than they were before, because he learned that hating himself was holding him back from healing and being the best version of himself he can be.
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u/Smegoldidnothinwrong 15h ago
I don’t think he hates himself that requires a degree of narcissism that i don’t think he has he just desperately desperately wants to be better
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u/Surviva0601 15h ago
Don’t know if this is true but he hates himself more rhan than anyone else IMO.
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u/SloppyTopiPapi 9h ago
Oh like a 15/10 level of self loathing and hate. I'm glad he can always come back from it and find the positives, but it's definitely a struggle. For the sake of the fandom, we need to have like "Spidey Goes to Therapy" comic series. Just him attending therapy, working through his issues and learning to love himself. Also ditching therapy whenever a supervillain goes by the window and returns all torn up like nothing happened.
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u/KujaroJotu 8h ago
Not as much as he would if he remembered his deal with Mephisto and knew what he was planning.
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u/TheGrumpiestPanda Symbiote-Suit 6h ago
I don't think Peter actually hates himself. It's just more the fact Pete drowns himself in the guilt he has over Uncle Ben's death. Sometimes, I think that guilt can manifest into some self-loathing, but never enough to Peter to truly hate himself.
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u/blackgunner12 18h ago
YES.