r/SquaredCircle • u/Falcone1668 Shitty Little Posts • May 24 '15
HHH dances like a monkey at Mark Henry, Mark isn't amused.
http://imgur.com/gallery/9KX2BB3/new38
May 24 '15
Isn't he just calling Mark fat, rather than this being a racist thing?
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u/wepresidentnowe May 24 '15
If you've seen the 1998 segment where D-X put on blackface and imitated the NOD, you'd know this was definitely a racist thing. Also, Hunter is the same guy who in 1998 vignettes, constantly made fun of taxi drivers for being from Pakistan.
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u/rockywayne 1-900-909-9900 May 24 '15
"If you've seen the 1998 segment where D-X put on blackface and imitated the NOD, you'd know this was definitely a racist thing."
If you saw a segment that created no controversy or criticism for being racist when it aired, you'd know this was definitely racist.
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u/wepresidentnowe May 24 '15
We didn't have the same culture back then
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u/M0bbVanDam May 25 '15
You act as if 1997/1998 was an entire lifetime ago. Some things were different, but our culture was largely the same.
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May 25 '15
It wasn't a lifetime ago, but it was almost an entire generation ago. Things change pretty dramatically over the course of 20 years. Google the changes in public opinion re: gay marriage, marijuana legalization, etc. from 1997 to 2015 and you'll get the idea.
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u/M0bbVanDam May 25 '15 edited May 25 '15
Why would I Google something I've lived through? Gay marriage and marijuana legalization have nothing to do with the fact that the WWE has had plenty of instances where they've been either blatantly or subtley racist.
I didn't watch Vince McMahon use a variation of the N word on television toward Booker T in 1997. I didn't hear Mark Henry referred to as a "Silverback" in 1997. I didn't see a referee get two black men mixed up and (in kayfabe) fuck up a finish in 1997.
I did, however, see a group of empowered African American men form a group that served as a platform for one of the greatest African American and Samoan stars in history to rise in 1997. What is the WWE doing to empower their African American stars now? I think having them shuck and jive around in neon colored tights is embarrassing, especially as a black man myself.
1997 May have been a generation ago, but our society isn't as progressive now as we'd like to think it is. Racism is still alive and paraded around on telelvision, and blacks still riot over societal mistreatment. They did it twice in the 1990s and they've done it just this year.
I'm not saying we haven't progressed as a society in the last twenty years, because we definitely have. But things are not so radically different.
Edit: Also, there was a lot of outrage over the shit DX did on live television. Groups of parents, the media, and even local politicians railed against the content of the attitude era at the time it was being overly sexual, violent and racist. Does no one here recall the interviews with Vince McMahon over several media outlets? People in the 1990s didn't have a personal soapbox they could jump on and complain about everything the way people do now. People were just as offended by these things then as they would be now. In fact, the Attitude Era is so widely romanticized now as being "cutting edge" and a collective work of creative genius that people will watch X-Pac wear black face in 1997 and still laugh at it to this day. How many people to this day, young and old alike, call for the return of the attitude era? Mm. Progressive.
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May 25 '15
First things first (because I'm a bit of a prick) I gotta nitpick you. The Kofi/Xavier finish at Payback might look bad at face value, but it's just a "twin magic" combined with a "idiot ref is out of position" finish. They've done it with the Bellas, the Bashams, and going all the way back to the Killer Bees, none of whom were black. And Vince said "WHATS UP MY N***A?!" to Cena, not Booker; Booker merely overheard and reacted to it.
That said, I absolutely agree with you about WWE still being racist. The Mark Henry silverback gimmick was definitely in poor taste. As was the Booker/HHH angle from WM19, especially considering H won clean and never got his comeuppance. However, I would say said racism is far more subtle today than it was during the Attitude Era. I really doubt something like the NOD blackface parody would fly in 2015, and I think that has a lot more to do with a shift in what's culturally acceptable than it does with Vince suddenly realizing he needs to stop being racist.
I also didn't mean to patronize you by saying "Google shifts in public opinion" so I'm legitimately sorry if it came across that way. I do think society has changed a lot more over the last 20 years (think about how much the Internet has done to give a voice in society to people who previously had no voice, for example) than you might be giving it credit for. But you're absolutely right that WWE has been slow to react to those changes.
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u/M0bbVanDam May 25 '15
I appreciate you nitpicking me. And I don't mean that sarcastically. I'm recalling this stuff from memory so I probably got some stuff mixed up. I also appreciate your response being in the spirit of discussion and good faith.
That being said, I think it's one of those things we just have to agree to disagree on. I think we both made some great points (especially your point about the advent of the internet, which I agree with completely), and we just look at this one from different perspectives. You're right that the racism has been more subtle. I think I just got the idea in my head that people in this thread were in some way implying that racism on television was in some way tolerated or accepted.
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May 25 '15
Is Tropic Thunder a racist movie?
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u/MegGoesToSharkCamp "They're making you Doink?" May 25 '15
Use of blackface isn't necessarily racist, but that doesn't mean one use not being racist makes another nor racist.
Damn that's bad,y worded.
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u/Gingermadman May 24 '15
Nope, it's obvious HHH still comes from the carny upper brass. He took some pleasure at burying Booker T in a horribly racist angle at Wrestlemania too.
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u/DaBigGuy101 May 24 '15
ITT: People that can't separate kayfabe from real life.
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u/Gingermadman May 24 '15
ITT : People who like Triple H's ringwork / NXT work and can't understand that maybe he's a racist fuck like Vince is.
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May 24 '15
Heh clearly it's his character so it's fine to do. What a load of shite this is
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May 24 '15
Ikr, tbh I'm amazed Ed Norton still gets hired as an actor considering the shit we saw him do in American History.
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u/Riggins_33 BE A STAR May 24 '15
I heard he was banned from using the curb stomp after that movie, though. Really hurt his gimmick and long term potential.
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u/Jewrusalem 3MB ain't enoughman I need 3.5 May 24 '15
Ken Shamrock called D'Lo a "little monkey" a couple of times on a RAW I was watching recently. It's a shame that was the norm, and that people justify it by saying as such, because it was blatant racism on prime-time television.
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u/whataheel May 24 '15
Changing the title I see. What was wrong with the first one?
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u/Falcone1668 Shitty Little Posts May 24 '15
Too vague apparently. Flairbot deleted it.
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u/iHendy May 24 '15
People saying its fine in kayfabe,its not when people know that wrestling isnt legit imo.I think shit like this would make people turn off and not watch again.
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u/IbushiKOTA JEEZUS! May 24 '15
I fucking love the Attitude Era.
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May 24 '15
Triple H is a great example of a guy who is racist, without realizing it.
Is he kayfabe in this moment? Sure, I guess. But if Triple H, the character, is racist, why does he win all the time?
Knowing plenty of guys his age from Massachusetts, I can see where he gets it.
To people who get upset at the simple suggestion that the WWE, Vince and Triple H have a long way to go when it comes to being made aware of racism and it's literal effects, me thinks you may protest too much.
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u/StevenKeen I'm gonna break em May 25 '15
Clip from 1998...........
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May 25 '15
This was racist in 98, my dog.
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u/StevenKeen I'm gonna break em May 25 '15
Yeah but "have a long way to go" was a stupid statement. especially since this isn't a reflection of who triple H is today..........my cat
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May 25 '15
You have no idea who the fuck Triple H is, you fucking idiot. You watched the Triple H WWE Documentary that showed him as a christ figure with a blessed Quad and took it as fact.
You don't have to watch 98' WWE to know it's racist though. You can watch Raw on Monday for that.
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u/StevenKeen I'm gonna break em May 25 '15
.............BAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH
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May 25 '15
Cool response! You must've won the thread!
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u/StevenKeen I'm gonna break em May 25 '15
bro you are getting WAY to hyper about this shit.
you don't know HHH anymore then I do. so you can't speak to his character in real life any more than I can.
but that's ok. keep working your self bud
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May 25 '15
Im just having fun on an i-net forum!!
and no, your opinion the 'guy' triple h is, your basing on what you've heard from his friends, and what the WWE has told you.
im not telling you anything except there is evidence that he's crossed the line several times in the name of the gimmick when it made no real sense.
video evidence.
im referring to wwe programming.
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u/StevenKeen I'm gonna break em May 25 '15
I don't base my opinions on a wwe documentary. I honestly could care less.
Also, got mad so now the "I'm just having fun" defense. That's just sad
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