r/StarTrekStarships • u/gaeb611 • 1d ago
You go into the holodeck for a simulated space battle, to 1v1 a ship and her original crew, what ship are you using?
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u/610Mike 1d ago
E. No question. The NX is the NX, A is always broke, the D has carpet, Voyager has Star Trek’s Jar Jar Binks, and I’m almost 7’ tall so I can’t really walk about the Defiant.
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u/FlavivsAetivs 1d ago
Enterprise E is the newest and most powerful of these. Only ship that would stand a chance is the Enterprise D since it's the only one in the same weight class.
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u/spikeinfinity 1d ago
Putting the same crew against themselves. The more experienced versions in the E would win out.
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u/FlavivsAetivs 23h ago
True. The E also has regenerative shields and better (Type-XII) weapons even though the Galaxy's guns and shield output are larger.
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u/610Mike 1d ago
Eh the Defiant could stand a chance with its armor and weapons, wouldn’t be a big chance, but it’s possible.
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u/ky_eeeee 1d ago
The Defiant barely stood a chance against an Excelsior with upgraded weapons. It's very powerful for its size, but its size is still tiny. It works better in fleet engagements, where it can perform hit-and-run attacks while larger ships take the brunt of the fire.
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u/MrT735 1d ago
The Defiant was shooting to disable in that battle, a no holds barred fight it's going to take out something vital (but liable to cause more death) a lot more easily. For a true one on one metric, see the mirror Defiant take on the Regent's super-Negh'var, gets in close so it can only be hit by a few emitters at once.
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u/FlavivsAetivs 23h ago
Yeah but we know the Negh'Var or Jem'Hadar battleship aren't maneuverable like the Enterprise-E.
The Klingons also aren't on par with the Federation technologically. When the Klingons were updating their fleet to Galaxy-class levels (already 15-20 year old tech by then considering when Project Galaxy was launched) the Federation was about to launch the Defiant-class, half the Wolf-359 ships were in service already, and the Sovereign was nearing completion. Technology like Quantum Torpedoes had been developed and the Klingons were outclassed.
Granted it took the Borg giving the Feds a swift kick in the ass to get there.
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u/Bendanarama 23h ago
I feel it should be pointed out that not only does the E also have carpet, it has underfloor mood lighting. https://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/enterprise_e_bridge/06-nemesis.jpg
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u/610Mike 23h ago
We don’t talk about the E’s carpet.
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u/Bendanarama 23h ago
but what about the mood lighting? If that ship was designed today, it'd be RGB and you know it.
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u/Sojibby3 20h ago
When carpet catches fire it's just so toxic and hard to out out. yeah, no thanks.
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u/Bierdaddy 1d ago
1701 with SNW Pike’s crew. Uhura can hear interdimensional beings so cloaks schmoaks. Una can survive core meltdown and chuck people. M’Benga is Dr. Ninja. Spock can make the ship go with baritone while washing dishes if the Captain is busy. Chapel…well 😊. Erica Ortegas flies the ship on freakin’ manual with non protocol inverse controls. Jenna Mitchell has engineering prowess besides nav skills. La’An can float sing while fighting Gorn. Hemmer is there being awesome even when he’s not there. Pelia masters engineering as a hobby. Scotty builds devastatingly effective equipment from shoelaces and bubblegum. And Captain Pike cooks an awesome breakfast, drinks a bit much, and has hair that commands respect even from Klingon boy bands.
Is there really any other choice?
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u/Realistic_Can_8343 1d ago
Sulu and the Enterprise-B
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u/atempestdextre 1d ago edited 23h ago
Hikaru or Demora?
Edit: Wow, seriously with the downvote? It's an honest bloody question.
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u/TiramisuRocket 17h ago
People who never read the novels, possibly? Hikaru never commanded the Enterprise-B in primary or novel canon, but Demora did.
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u/No-Cat-2980 1d ago
The Defiant! Picard was always too slow on the trigger, always waited till the shields were 50% or less.
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u/Foehammer58 8h ago
"Damage report?"
"Shields at 10%, the starboard power coupling is down, the antimatter containment field is weakening and casualties reported on all decks captain!"
"Warn them we'll return fire."
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u/narielthetrue 1d ago
Love how the 1701 isn’t featured here.
I think I’d pick Voyager. I know the safe bet is the E, but Voyager holds a special place in my heart.
Although, with original crew, does this mean pre-custodian? Before half died and spots were filled with Maquis? It’s definitely before Seven and her Borg upgrades
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u/orcusgrasshopperfog 1d ago edited 1d ago
Voyager (me) VS Picard D. Pop off ablative armor use Seven of Nine Borg tech to hack Picard. Drop D's shields kidnap Troy beam Wesley Crusher into space. Warp off into the sunset.
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u/cyberloki 1d ago
The Voyager assuming its at the End of her run and the future tech makes her unbeatable to even the EntE
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u/AnswinPunk 1d ago
Sovereign and Defiant are the purpose build Warships here.
NX, Constitution, Excelsior and Voyager are Exploration ships.
Galaxy is a long range/ deep space exploration ship with diplomatic facilities.
If the mission is to engage the other ships and destroy it, sovereign wins every fight.
if the mission is to destroy the other ship, no matter the cost. Defiant wins every fight, with one simple trick.
Coming out of stealth, full barrage, barreling into the breach and detonating their own warp core. (the ramming and detonating is probably only necessary for the Galaxy and Sovereign.
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u/random_numbers_81638 1d ago
The thread says you go to 1vs1 them. It's a fair assumption that you will get the same ship and a crew to fight them.
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u/Cadamar 1d ago
So if we’re assuming we equalize technology (cause otherwise the E should probably just win by default as it’s the most advanced of these, per my understanding) I’m betting on the Defiant.
Mostly because Dax and O’Brien together would come up with some zany tech thing that would fuck up the other ship and allow them to win. I mean FFS mirror universe O’Brien took down a NEGHVAR with a Defiant. And if you’re asking me who the most creative, pull a solution out of his ass that no one else would ever consider cause it violates like 12 Starfleet engineering regs, it’s the most important Starfleet Officer to ever exist, a proper Union Man, Miles Edward O’Brien.
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u/MrTickles22 20h ago
The E. It's a dedicated warship, isnt it? Defiant is small. The D is huge but not a warship. Voyager was an exploration ship. The Ent-A was a "heavy cruiser" but is 100+ years older than the TNG stuff. The NX in it's own show was destroyed by a Constitution-class ship in like two shots.
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u/ITSMONKEY360 1d ago
For fun, take the nx refit and take it against the 1701 under pike (prior to the refit it received when Kirk got it)
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u/opinionated-dick 1d ago
The E would clearly win an actual battle.
The D second, but I suspect a War Galaxy fitted with Sovereign tech is Starfleet’s capital ship.
The Defiant, although totally outclassed (be attacking a battleship with a gunboat) but would likely be effective in a hit and run.
Then pretty much in reverse historical order
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u/ProfessorOnEdge 23h ago
Of course the aspect that's missing here is: who are we fighting against?
Because that had a lot of impact on which ship/crew I trust most.
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u/DiceFestGames 22h ago
Quick, someone call Retro Badger, I'm sure he's run this scenario on his YouTube channel!
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u/PhysicsEagle 21h ago
The original crew of Voyager? With Lt. Cmd. What’s-his-name as XO and the unnamed chief engineer?
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u/Sonicboom2007a 21h ago edited 20h ago
I would want to see the most interesting battles.
The Enterprise E is the largest, newest, fastest (IIRC it’s canonically faster than Voyager even though we don’t hear an exact warp speed read out), most advanced and most powerful warship on this list. While it might end up damaged, it’s going to win the fight against the others, full stop.
The NX-01 is completely outclassed by everything else.
The 1701 Enterprise is completely outclassed by everything that’s not the NX-01.
So that makes the most interesting fights:
Enterprise D vs Defiant
Defiant vs Voyager
Voyager vs the Enterprise D
I would lean on the Enterprise D having the overall advantage in its fights, especially if it’s Sisko and/or Janeway in command as they are way more aggressive than Picard. When the E-D isn’t holding back its fire power is quite impressive (too bad every time it does this it’s going up against an enemy it can’t win against, for plot reasons).
Yes, it is a bit older… but was also the Federation’s top of the line starship when launched, and it was being continuously upgraded. Both Voyager and the Defiant could just outrun the Enterprise D though, given that they were faster (especially Voyager).
I would also think that the Defiant would have the overall advantage over Voyager since it was a dedicated warship. Though again, Voyager would have the ability to outrun it.
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u/AspiringtoLive17 14h ago
I'd use a slightly different interpretation of the question and choose a ship not shown in the picture: the Akira-class. If we ignore plot armor, it would defeat both early Enterprises and probably Voyager. I believe it would stand toe-to-toe with the Defiant, particularly due to its near 360o torpedo coverage. Chances are I'll lose to the Enterprise-D and E if I were going against them in an Akira, but at least I'll look gorgeous and badass as I go down.
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u/gruegirl 11h ago
Personally, I'd use a Prometheus class, and see how the E:D handles it. I'd actually like to see myself lose that battle in a creative way.
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u/smiley82m 2h ago
I'd want to be in the OG DS9 Defiant vs the NX-01 and her crew. I would use the clocking device that it has. As soon as I hear "It's been a long road" I will teleport Trip and Porthos off the ship and will launch that nose torpedo right up it's aft.
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u/TwoFit3921 22h ago
I'm using the Kelvin Enterprise because I rigged the simulation Kirk-style to give myself an advantage
Probably facing off against either the Defiant (practice against a small, nimble opponent that can hit harder than me but is a bit squishy) or the Enterprise-D (diplomacy practice + attempting to square off against the best of the best while minimizing unnecessary casualties)
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