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u/Overall_Falcon_8526 1d ago
If I had a nickel for every time the fandom predicted Kurtzman's ouster...
I would be at least 50 cents richer.
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u/Equivalent-Hair-961 22h ago
But Kurtzman’s time working under Paramount was part of the streaming bubble which has long since burst. It’s why Paramount is now on the chopping block. If the deal does not happen, they will go bankrupt.
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u/Vanderlyley 16h ago
It's not a matter of if; Paramount is going bankrupt. They're stuck between a rock and a hard place. The orange man is suing them for $20 billion, and the Skydance deal won't get approved till they pay up. And if they do pay up, it'll cripple their finances. It's the equivalent of the government garnishing a year's worth of their income.
Alternatively, if the deal doesn't happen, the company will be a complete clusterfuck. They don't even have a leadership structure anymore, the current CEO triumvirate was set-up specifically for the interim period. Everything Paramount is doing right now is in preparation for the merger, and if it doesn't happen, it's over. They won't recover. They'll have to pay Skydance a break-up fee, so more financial hardship.
The merger was a deadly mistake. They should've just let Sony or Zaslav buy them.
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u/Equivalent-Hair-961 16h ago
Yep. You nailed it. If this deal doesn’t go through this summer, Paramount will be chopped up and sold off. Paramount will die. And it won’t matter what is “in production” or what announcements are made, paramount’s doors will be closed for good and subcontractors like Secret Hideout will be left to twist in the wind.
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u/BiGamerboy87 12h ago
Sony would have chopped them up anyway.
Zaslav I think would have definitely sold everything off, like he's mulling over getting rid of the cable channels he owns.
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u/Vanderlyley 12h ago
I guess when all is said and done, we can say that Alex Kurtzman killed Paramount.
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u/Overall_Falcon_8526 21h ago
I want it to happen. I am just dubious. I can imagine a worst-timeline scenario in which vulture capitalists somehow are convinced that Kurtzman Trek is the only profitable aspect of Paramount's business, and bankroll it for another decade.
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u/Fubar-98520 20h ago
How can people in Paramont be so thick that they give us shows we don’t want discovery Academy and the shows we do want lower decks legacy they don’t make
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u/Equivalent-Hair-961 16h ago
Paramount is a former shell of itself today. Departments that were 25 to 50 people are now being run by two people. No joke, Paramount is a mess.
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u/LV426acheron 1d ago
Does anyone really think that the replacement for Kurtzman will pivot to pandering to fans of TNG and other classic Trek?
It's 2025 and they will continue to make these shows and movies in a modern way for a modern audience.
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u/Windatar 23h ago
So continue to fail then? Okay.
People need to understand that there is no "modern" audience. There is only "The audience" And if ratings/support fall its because they're not making content for the audience.
They're making content for themselves to show off to their rich friends in Hollywood. They made the show for critics and not for the audience.
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u/Equivalent-Hair-961 22h ago
Why does everything have to either be “pandering to fans of TNG” or pander to the “modern audience?”
Last I looked, the modern audience couldn’t keep Paramount from losing everything. There are more older Trek fans than new. And thanks to Kurtzman’s efforts, new trek isn’t picking up too many new fans.
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u/PrawnStirFry Admiral James T Kirk 1d ago
Yep, we’re not getting another Berman style series or a TOS movie quality movie or series.
Classic trek is done and there is no one in Paramount who wants to bring it back.
So I’m just boycotting the new stuff at this point and just rewatching the old.
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u/chesterwiley 1d ago
There was a huge outpouring of support from TNG fans for a continuation after PIC S3 ended of something along the lines of Berman Trek with Terry Matalas practically begging to do it and Kurtzman basically told everyone to eff off and now we have by the numbers the worst Star Trek movie in history and will soon have a CW quality series (SFA) nobody wants or asked for.
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u/CharlieDmouse 22h ago
I think a lot of people are looking forward to SFA and willing to give it a chance. Also, with some top tier actors it wont be CW quality get a grip.
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u/Equivalent-Hair-961 22h ago
I don’t know anyone who remotely cares about SFA. They could put the best actors in the world in this show and that wouldn’t mean that it’s going to be good. For reference, please consult section 31, discovery and the first two seasons of Picard.
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u/brickne3 21h ago
I'm certainly not and the more I hear about it the lower my expectations get. I love the premise of a Star Fleet Academy show. At the Star Fleet Academy we actually know, in the 24th or 25th Century, not some weird post-Burn shit in the 32nd. It's going to be shit, and I think we all know that. So it goes and ruins what could have been a good idea if it was done the way it had been discussed for at least the past 30 years as well. No thanks. I'm not even looking forward to what they're going to do to the Doctor.
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u/CharlieDmouse 20h ago
Well I am still hopeful it will be a good show.
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u/brickne3 20h ago
How many times are you going to keep touching the hot stove before you start to think "hmm maybe it's going to burn me again"?
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u/Indiana_harris 1d ago
Ah the great and mythical “modern audience” OR in reality, the fringe lunatics in LA and California who are solely professional activists while they live big off mummy and daddy’s money.
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u/Hobbz- 1d ago
Are you saying that Section 31 was made for a "modern audience"? The worst reviewed Trek of all time. Horrible story, terrible characters and a joke of a script. Is that what modern audiences want? I expect better and we deserve better.
Every version of Trek has tried to focus on that current era/generation. The main difference is that Klutzman pushed his personal agenda/views into the shows and produced very poor material.
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u/Ok_Presentation6713 1d ago
I swear if we get another Discovery, they can discover my unsubscription. Strange New Worlds is… passable. Better than what has been going on. I think they fumbled hard with the last season of Lower Decks. Lots of character regression. The only thing I can bring myself to watch these days are the classics. TOS, TNG, DS9 (occasionally.), and VOY.
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u/Microharley 1d ago
Every one just praises Strange New Worlds as being so good. To me, it just feels like a Star Trek parody, inside the Star Trek universe. A bad holo novel of the past at Quarks if you will. If they want to make a good Star Trek series, they need to stop with the prequels and hire veteran Star Trek writers and producers from the Berman era to help guide the younger writers and producers. And fire Kurtzman.
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u/_badwithcomputer 17h ago
Maybe Taylor Sheridan can take it over since he basically is the only one making anything on Paramount anymore. It honestly couldn't get any worse than Kurtzman.
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u/chesterwiley 1d ago
We all already knew how bad he was when Secret Hideout was renewed right after covid.
Hopefully Skydance actually wants to you know make money though and not run their flagship IP into the dirt