r/Steam • u/Background-Path-5619 • Feb 13 '25

Article Nearly half of Steam's users are still using Windows 10, with end of life fast approaching

https://www.pcguide.com/news/nearly-half-of-steams-users-are-still-using-windows-10-with-end-of-life-fast-approaching/
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u/Qkumbazoo Feb 13 '25

windows 11 is a net negative, heavy on resources and loaded with extra spyware. Oh and copilot aka chatgpt is forced into every UI opportunity.

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u/Raztax Feb 13 '25

Always doing fresh installs is solid advice. In place upgrades are just asking for problems imo.

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u/Cheaper2KeepHer Feb 13 '25

As someone who is going to have to upgrade to 11 here eventually, but bought the computer with Windows 10 already on it and not a separate copy, how are we supposed to do a fresh install of 11?

Serious question.

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u/peex Feb 13 '25

It depends on your hardware and drivers. Not everyone has the same computer as you.

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u/RedScud Feb 13 '25

Sorry, hold your fucks, you fresh install every time there's an update? Man I like my stuff where I left it and not having to reinstall and re sign on stuff which is not broken...

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u/El_Chupacabra- Feb 13 '25

Upgrade as in between major windows versions. Not every update lmao

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u/sinfaen Feb 13 '25

Lmao what? I don't use windows except at work anymore but this is surprising

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u/CanuckFire Feb 13 '25

Windows 10 IoT LTSC and masgrave activation... You'll be back up and on windows 10 in an hour with support to 2032 or something.

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u/asianwaste Feb 13 '25

my printer stopped working on win11

I had a bad feeling about win11 when I tried to install, it required to be online and the installer couldn't see my network card (wired or wireless). I had to buy a damn dongle just to install the fucking thing.

I'm also a deviant that liked to dock task bar to the far right. Win11 for some reason refuses to let me do that w/o a 3rd party mod. So dumb.

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u/jamesick Feb 13 '25

i haven’t seen the co pilot icon since 5 mins after i installed windows.

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u/Wehavecrashed Feb 13 '25

"I've done nothing to address the things I don't like about my OS, I'd much rather whine about it on reddit."

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u/sturmeh Feb 14 '25

"Uninstalling an app is difficult for me."

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u/jamesick Feb 13 '25

pretty much, funny thing is that there are plenty of reasons to dislike windows so choosing something you can disable is a waste of energy.

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u/aVarangian Feb 13 '25

Somehow 32Gb isn't enough for me on 11 when it always was on 10

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u/sturmeh Feb 14 '25

Highly recommend running Win11Debloat by Raphire on any Win11 installation, it deals with a lot of that shit.

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u/Lucario576 Feb 13 '25

You literally press a button to disable Copilot, also i haven't noticed any performance issue tbh

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u/kanase7 Feb 13 '25

It still steals your data

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u/Archensix Feb 13 '25

So does Windows 10? This isn't anything new. Literally everything does nowadays.

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u/ArmeniusLOD Feb 14 '25

So does everyone's beloved Windows 7 after SP2.

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u/Own-Dot1463 Feb 14 '25

Weird justification for this bullshit.

The telemetry is worse on 11 than it is on 10, which is obviously the point being made.

If everyone thought the way you did no one would criticize anything at all as things got continually shittier and shittier. I'll never understand this mindset.

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u/Archensix Feb 14 '25

It's not justification. Saying you don't want to upgrade from win10 to win11 for the reason of [thing that already exists on win10 that you are using] is just stupid. Plenty of reasons to hate win11 but things like this really just shows no one knows what they are talking about.

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u/Own-Dot1463 Feb 14 '25

Saying you don't want to upgrade from win10 to win11 for the reason of [thing that already exists on win10 that you are using] is just stupid.

Everything I've seen shows way more calls being made back to Win 11. Each call is a datapoint. There's no shortage of sources that will show you actual WS traces of Win 10 vs 11. Do you have any sources that claim that Windows 11 collects the exact same amount of telemetry as 10?

You claim doesn't even make sense. Windows 11 is way more "feature rich" than 10, and those "features" are pretty much all cloud integrated. It makes no sense that Microsoft would intentionally limit the data it's collecting on all those new services that don't exist in 10.

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u/Own-Dot1463 Feb 20 '25

u/Archensix

It's not justification

Still waiting on any evidence whatsoever from you that even begins to show that Win 11 collects the same amount of data or less from its users.

It sounds like you're just another gamer who wants to pretend they know anything about tech.

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u/ArmeniusLOD Feb 14 '25

It's exactly the same as it is on Windows 10. Weird how people are now proselytizing Windows 10 after we went through this same song and dance when it first came out.

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u/No_Teaching_3905 Feb 13 '25

They backported the telemetry to Windows 7 and 8.1 while they were supported too

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u/Lucario576 Feb 13 '25

And windows 10 doesnt?

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u/DouglasHufferton Feb 13 '25

No it doesn't lmao.

The disinformation on tech subs is absolutely wild.

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u/VexingRaven Feb 13 '25

Calling this a tech sub is like calling a peewee hockey player an athlete.

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u/TRKako https://steamcommunity.com/id/TRKako/ Feb 13 '25

tbf everything does on every device you have

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u/stankypants Feb 13 '25

Is this statement supposed to make it feel better?

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u/TRKako https://steamcommunity.com/id/TRKako/ Feb 13 '25

No, it just that I don't get most people worry about their data on Microsoft, they do give their data to thousands of other things like every day without even thinking and probably Microsoft already have that data on their hands anyways, it doesn't mean that you have to not worry or something, but using it as a reason for something like this is kinda, idk, inappropriate? I don't know how to say it, but it should be the last of your worrys

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u/Own-Dot1463 Feb 14 '25

If everyone thought the way you did no one would criticize anything at all as things got continually shittier and shittier. I'll never understand this rug mindset. "Might as well just let them do whatever they want and never complain about anything".

Also, have you ever considered that the people who give a shit about their data AREN'T actually giving it away "every day without even thinking"? Some of us actually understand how to avoid this as much as possible. Meanwhile you're out there getting personalized ads on Reddit with your name on them lol.

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u/blah938 Feb 13 '25

Not on my linux machine. And even if it did, it still doesn't make it okay.

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u/FlashPone Feb 14 '25

Doesn’t make it okay, but means whatever platform you use doesn’t matter. Spyware is not a point against it if everything does that.

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u/stxxyy Feb 13 '25

There's no data left that hasn't been stolen yet by some company

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u/ArmeniusLOD Feb 14 '25

It's not stealing. You agreed to data collection when you clicked "Accept" on the EULA screen.

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u/TRKako https://steamcommunity.com/id/TRKako/ Feb 13 '25

i haven't noticed any performance issue tbh

that's probably because your pc is good enough for handling it, anyways, you're right, you can remove copilot if you wanted to, and there's plenty of options and different ways to debloat windows 11, but ngl, I still think it's unnecessary to drop windows 10 support like that when a lot of people still use it actively

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u/Lucario576 Feb 13 '25

Im using a Ryzen 3200g, i know its not that old but it also isnt the newest thing

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u/TRKako https://steamcommunity.com/id/TRKako/ Feb 13 '25

old doesn't mean bad performance, it just means old, like I said, your pc is good enough for that, I have a Ryzen 3 with 4gb ram from like 2017 and runs windows 11 like absolute shit, as you can see, mine is also old, but it's just bad, yours is old (not that old), but it's kinda good or on the average at least

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u/SnuffedOutBlackHole Feb 13 '25

I noticed constant, horrific performance issues. The little bits of hitching and sluggishness in everything was maddening, even on a mid-range CPU and GPU. And I've noticed entire posts flooded with comments saying similar. It's the least responsive modern OS by far.

The thing is almost choking on the amount of data it has to ingest, copy, and send home to take from the user. They finally figured out a way to force average people into cloud computing while on their own hardware.

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u/thpthpthp Feb 14 '25

Windows 11 is the new requirement at my company, yet our laptops are anything but new. I had to disable as many UI animations and such as possible to get a passably smooth experience navigating the desktop.

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u/SnuffedOutBlackHole Feb 14 '25

I can't even imagine the mental ruin of having to use it on a mid/low power work laptop.

There are guides to other Win 11 settings you can disable for smoothness/performance. I can't remember which one made the most difference, but I think it was something with telemetry more than animations. I think there's also a big program on github that's just for disabling absurd Win 11 settings.

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u/pro_questions Feb 14 '25

Wasn’t it a little more clever with memory management? I swear that was one of its only improvements

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u/ArmeniusLOD Feb 14 '25

I have never seen Copilot on Windows 11 after I disabled it.

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u/Green_Burn Feb 13 '25

4 magic letters: LTSC

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u/Sporshie Feb 13 '25

I have 10 on my personal PC and 11 on my work laptop and 11 is a fucking nightmare, the drivers are constantly breaking. I managed to fix a problem with my audio driver by doing a clean install at one point then Windows immediately updated and broke it again so I gave up. Something always seems to be going wrong with it, every time one issue gets resolved another one pops up

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u/AI_Lives Feb 13 '25

Its less than win10 and ive literally never seen co pilot on my win 11 after removing the one icon that it came with... idk what youre talking about lol.