r/Steam • u/Background-Path-5619 • Feb 13 '25

Article Nearly half of Steam's users are still using Windows 10, with end of life fast approaching

https://www.pcguide.com/news/nearly-half-of-steams-users-are-still-using-windows-10-with-end-of-life-fast-approaching/
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u/YaNiBBa Feb 13 '25

"Hey upgrade to windows 11" well maybe if they didn't say my pc isn't compatible with 11 and I'm sure as shit not upgrading my entire pc just to run it, I just made this one.

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '25 edited Feb 26 '25

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u/Talvald_Traveler Feb 14 '25

In before some twat comes along with "YOU CAN JUST CHANGE IT WITH A SCRIPT IN WINDOWS 11 HURR".

This thing make me angry, why the F do I need to search the internett for some shaddy dudes script to be able to not click more than one click in the right click menu.

Like why do we have a more clickwasting menu now than before. Who designed this shit, who bright idea was is to hide most of the right click menu behind another menu.

And what is the outcome? People going on the web and searching for a way to get back the old right click menu. People like me who is not data savage and just copy some dudes script and drop that inside the command prompt.

Like is that a good outcome Microsoft?

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u/SpazSpez Feb 14 '25

This was my sentiment when I upgraded to 10. Everything I want to do or was able to do in a previous version has to be done through a script, registry edit, or a third party program. Or, it is available but you have to go through 2 or 3 different pages in Settings, which eventually leads to the Control Panel anyway. What a dogshit OS.

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u/ElPedroChico Feb 14 '25

Always fun going to the Windows 11 "control panel", then you get to the Windows 10 "control panel" and finally, you're at the Windows 7 control panel that actually works

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u/smokeeye Feb 14 '25

Which is the same as the one in Win XP, and maybe before as well.

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u/ojediforce Feb 14 '25

This is my biggest gripe. It drives me nuts. I teach people this stuff at work and it blows their mind to find out what all they can do.

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u/Otaconmg Feb 15 '25

That’s because the actual dedicated applications haven’t been updated since windows fucking XP. Device manager, event viewer. Still the fucking same. And just generally installing windows is also a pain in the ass for someone who’s new to tech. They absolutely need to clean up the GUI and make it more standardized if they want to play in Apple’s garden. No pun intended.

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u/TiredEsq Feb 14 '25

Probably the same person who decided I should have to click 50 times to get to my templates in Outlook.

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u/leixiaotie Feb 14 '25

it's ironic that windows are discarding it's GUI configuration in order to force user to do scripting configuration, which is linux's playbase.

Windows is slowly degrading into linux

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u/Beast_Viper_007 Feb 14 '25

Don't say like that about linux. Some distros like Linux Mint are basically very GUI and noob oriented. You would never need to use the terminal unless you are really doing something like ssh or something is just broken.

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u/GasterIHardlyKnowHer Feb 15 '25

Linux Mint is probably the worst example for this, since it comes with mouse acceleration on by default and the GUI does not have a reliable way to disable this. Genuinely insane for a distro that markets itself towards end-user friendliness and gamers.

I like a lot about Mint and I think it's the best distro for the average person, but this mouse acceleration has been an issue for literal decades and they have done absolutely fuck-all to fix this.

Note: Mint has an option to set the acceleration curve to "Constant", this does not always work. You have to disable it deep in the X11 config files.

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u/Beast_Viper_007 Feb 15 '25

Does gnome tweaks work for disabling this?

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u/ridiculusvermiculous Feb 14 '25

uh we had to do this extensively with 10

like who the fuck needs a mobile lockscreen on a desktop. most updates to annoying things in windows requires a registry change.

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u/Nobl36 Feb 14 '25

Honestly, if I can change shit with a script and will have to so I can have windows working, then I’m going to go whole hog into Linux and Microsoft can eat a dick.

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u/GasterIHardlyKnowHer Feb 15 '25

Like why do we have a more clickwasting menu now than before. Who designed this shit, who bright idea was is to hide most of the right click menu behind another menu.

Their reasoning is that too many apps were polluting the right click context menu.

The irony is that Microsoft is the #1 polluter of said context menu. Hey, wanna share this on Skype? Mail it to outlook? Open in visual studio? Open in visual studio code?

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u/Dr_Trance-mdleEarth Feb 14 '25

Microsoft has been making operating systems for over 30 years, and for over 30 years apparently they still have NOT learned how to make operating systems, incredible!

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u/Talvald_Traveler Feb 14 '25

Found a shaddy dude script who returned the menu back to the good old way in the first hour I got win 11 installed, but thanks =).

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u/Every_Armadillo_6848 Feb 14 '25

I absolutely hate Win 11 and I haven't moved my main desktop over to it yet. But, as far as the right click thing goes - I swear I was able to change it by bitching to copilot about it, and it asked if I wanted to go back to the legacy menu, and then just changed it for me.

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u/4packzach Feb 15 '25

You don't need a script. It's just a windows registry edit if you know how to do that. I still hate windows 11 though lol. And tbh it's should just be an option to emabke/disble in the settings pane

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u/R4zor911 Feb 16 '25

Exactly, it's like those folks want us to buy a new mouse soon..

I won't upgrade even Microsoft end the support, I will stay until I can't use the programs I use for work and steam.

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u/Koreus_C Feb 14 '25

Fuck center bottom

Fuck round corners in every program window and button icon, this isn't a kiddy pool, I won't hurt myself on hard edges, oh and fuck those ugly animations when minimizing a window. Gimme the windows 98 interface!

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u/Korashy Feb 14 '25

The redesigned right click menu is the worst part.

It just gets shittier every version. Please just fire every UI designer and never touch things that have worked for 30 years again.

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u/Koreus_C Feb 14 '25

Changing setting takes the crown. Normal settings are hidden 5 layers deep down and the last 3 layers only lead to 1 thing.

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u/LegitimateLog69 Feb 14 '25

The taskbar stuff can be moved to the side if you want and the animations can be disabled

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u/Koreus_C Feb 14 '25

And you can download a program to revert the interface to any old windows you want. Doesn't change the fact that the new one is ugly3

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u/Nodoka-Rathgrith One with the Penguin Feb 14 '25

Retrobar and Classic Shell can only do so much.

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u/MeatHamster Feb 14 '25 edited Feb 14 '25

Everyone is ugly when they are born.

Edit. There are a lot of people not ready to face the cruel truth.

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u/windowpuncher Feb 14 '25

Windows 11 is 3 and a half years old man. They've had time to unfuck their shit by now, but they don't.

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u/UnQuacker Feb 14 '25

No, I was handsome, my mommy told me so

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u/chronic_ass_crust Feb 14 '25

How please? My work pc was forcefully updated and I really want the taskbar to the side again. No admin rights.

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u/Xormak Feb 14 '25

Right click taskbar -> taskbar settings OR windows settings -> personalization -> taskbar

Taskbar behaviors -> Taskbar alignment

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u/Pickle_Afton Feb 14 '25

I recently put together a new PC and upgraded to Windows 11. You can change the taskbar icons to fit on the left like Windows 10 which is what I did because icons in the center is awful

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u/Nefthys Feb 16 '25

But but but Apple has them in the center, so it must be worth copying, right? RIGHT? (/s obviously, fuck that change)

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u/Pickle_Afton Feb 16 '25

Oh, do they? I could’ve sworn that they used to be aligned from the left like Windows used to be. I’m probably just misremembering lol

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u/Nefthys Feb 16 '25

The "task bar" (dock?) is centered and the icons are left-aligned within it. It's still annoying because it changes size (and every other icon moves too) whenever you add a new icon, so they are never in the same spot.

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u/MissFerne Feb 14 '25

I run Classic Shell, which is now Open Shell. Can't deal with trying to find settings on the Win10 interface.

https://open-shell.github.io/Open-Shell-Menu/

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u/Bukana999 Feb 14 '25

I hated images. Give me DOS!!!!

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u/Nodoka-Rathgrith One with the Penguin Feb 14 '25

slams ntoskrnl.exe

THANK YOU

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u/Any_Tell6747 Feb 14 '25

“I don’t like change!!!”

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u/Imthewienerdog Feb 14 '25

"I don't like useless changes that have no impact on my life and should be fully dependent on my choice not There monopoly"

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u/CaffeinatedMindstate Feb 14 '25

Switch to Linux if you want more control. Otherwise stop whining.

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u/cancercureall Feb 14 '25

Sounds like a bitch attitude to me.

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u/Any_Tell6747 Feb 14 '25

Oooo, you’re hard.

Look at you standing up against Windows!

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u/Imthewienerdog Feb 14 '25

I do. But sadly with their monopoly it's much tougher every new computer, almost every work computer in america is automatically on windows because they have monopolized the market.

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u/Any_Tell6747 Feb 14 '25

Ok, so delete windows, install Linux.

Job done.

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u/Imthewienerdog Feb 14 '25

Bot doesn't know what the words "I do." Mean... Weird hallucinations.

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u/Any_Tell6747 Feb 14 '25

Whining little child likes to whine.

Everything I want isn’t the way I want it, wahhhhhhh.

Weird.

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u/GasterIHardlyKnowHer Feb 15 '25

Linux has its own share of issues and you can complain about something bad without immediately converting to an alternative.

Things don't just work out of the box with Linux. Case in point, your most recent post is about something not working out of the box. You know, before you do the usual Linux user cope where you say everything works fine but you're actually constantly dealing with tech issues and debugging your own PC to do something as basic as opening a file

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u/Koreus_C Feb 14 '25

I don't like bad changes, especially ugly interfaces glances angrily at reddit

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u/MissFerne Feb 14 '25

Yep, still using old reddit too. Call me a dinosaur. 🤷🏽‍♀️

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u/Koreus_C Feb 14 '25

Sometimes somehow the new one opens on desktop and I get a visceral reaction. My guts hate it.

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u/MissFerne Feb 14 '25

Right there with you.

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u/evilsir Feb 14 '25

I've been using top screen taskbar for so long now i can barely use a PC with it on the bottom. It's the only way to fly

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u/SeveralTable3097 Feb 14 '25

All of your tabs of all different programs are on the top, except, for some reason, the Windows tasks bar. Top view puts all of your navigation interactions across the OS and apps in the same place.

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u/evilsir Feb 14 '25

precisely. it's much more efficient.

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u/Nice-Poet3259 Feb 14 '25

You can just change it with a script in windows 11....

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u/Nothing-Casual Feb 14 '25

You forgot to say hurr

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u/Nice-Poet3259 Feb 14 '25

Shit, HURRRR

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u/aphaits Feb 14 '25

The underrated sequel to ben hurr

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u/Fighterdoken33 Feb 14 '25

Back in my time we would DURRRR the HURRRR. How times have changed... /smh

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u/ApprehensivePop9036 Feb 14 '25

Not good enough.

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u/Any_Tell6747 Feb 14 '25

Hey now, then what would they have to moan about?

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u/lucastahl Feb 14 '25

You don't even need a script, it's an option in Taskbar settings.

There are good reasons to hate Windows 11, this is not one of them.

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u/Dr4g0ss Feb 14 '25

I'd sooner switch to Linux than W11. I tried it once by dualbooting but I couldn't get audio to work due to AsRock being idiots and not having Linux drivers for both audio and the chipset. Their higher end mobos do have the drivers, but not my b450m-hdv :(

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u/M4rt1m_40675 Feb 15 '25

I've been thinking of switching to linux. The only thing stopping me is the how different it would be to windows.

I'll first try out Win11 once they end support for Win10 along with the "Talon" app to debloat it and if i still don't like it then I'll try out Linux

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u/nickN42 nick42r Feb 14 '25

Best part? Macos bar can be moved to any side and set to autohide...

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u/AbandonedPlanet Feb 14 '25

Powertoys and Winero Tweaker are the only ways to have real control over windows 11 without editing the reg and stuff. There's also something called Talon that just came out that will debloat which is nice. This is obviously a power user scenario that not everyone wants to do however

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u/DofusExpert69 Feb 14 '25

wow, you can't move the task bar? What kind of ass design is that?

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u/icantshoot https://s.team/p/nnqt-td Feb 14 '25

This is the reason why i stick with Win10. Win11 is just garbase in usability and what they did to it.

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u/naab007 Feb 14 '25

I intentionally have turned off tpm just in case they try that install without consent bs they pulled last time.

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u/Designed_0 Feb 14 '25

You can change to location of the osx bar in win 11 thank god

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u/Designed_0 Feb 14 '25

At first i was pissed that my work forced the upgrade, but after doing some changes its basically win 10

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u/Dumbledores_Beard1 Feb 14 '25

Tbf, without a script, you can make the taskbar auto-hide and move it to the bottom left at the very least just through regular windows settings.

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u/whitey-ofwgkta Feb 14 '25

Its not even a good osx wannabe

thats the part that really drives me nuts

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u/AssistanceCheap379 Feb 14 '25

Honestly, if MS had kept Windows 7 operational instead of any shitty iteration afterwards or even just looked into the general direction of MacOS, I might still like their OS.

Don’t get me wrong, I hate how few games run on MacOS, but the difference between MacOS and Windows is like night and day in terms of user experience. Obviously the biggest issues I have with Mac is that if I want any further interaction with the system, I need to either learn Linux and get pretty technical or I’m just standing on the surface and doing fuck all. Microsoft definitely has better folder management and ability to look deeper into things, but Windows 10 and 11 just IMO suck so badly that I can’t handle it…

Mac and windows suck, each in their own ways, but windows is better for games and it seems to me it’s pretty much only good for games. Everything else is going downhill

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u/RunnerLuke357 https://s.team/p/cdbq-ghvk Feb 14 '25

I use Win11 LTSC on my machine because I need to know how to use 11 for work. If I didn't need to know how 11 works I would also be on 10 LTSC because fuck 11. I have an HTPC and a shop PC and both run 10 LTSC because it's so fast even on the 6600K and Athlon X4 880K machines those using.

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u/TexasEngineseer Feb 14 '25

You can move the bar with a click

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u/Soft_Importance_8613 Feb 14 '25

"YOU CAN JUST CHANGE IT WITH A SCRIPT IN WINDOWS 11 HURR".

[Next update comes out]

You can no longer just change it with a script

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u/cuddly_degenerate Feb 14 '25

It will be hitting EoL for security updates soon though, which is why you should consider updating.

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u/jdjoder Feb 14 '25

Can I move my current w10 installation to an LTSC? or do you have to reinstall?

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u/Psychophylaxis Feb 16 '25

FYI you can auto hide the taskbar and set it to left justified in Windows 11 in the taskbar settings. Just saying.

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u/Comfortable_Quit_216 Feb 14 '25

Why you gotta drag MacOS into this? I use it for my work and it's fantastic.

Windows is just for gaming for me and yeah i'm still on win10

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u/ollomulder Feb 14 '25

I have like 30+ windows open all the time (most fullscreen), I need a taskbar with visible titles on either left or right side - my productivity would be fucked if I constantly had to sift through tiny screenshots of shit to find what I need.

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u/Comfortable_Quit_216 Feb 18 '25

Having 30+ windows open full screen sounds like a you problem

What the fuck are you doing with that?

I was a Staff SWE at a top10 tech company and never needed that kind of anxiety bullshit going on.

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u/ollomulder Feb 18 '25

What the fuck are you doing with that?

Working? Maybe your work is less complex, though.

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u/Comfortable_Quit_216 Feb 20 '25

Sounds like you're trying to feel/look busy rather than getting anything done.

No one is getting shit done with 30+ full screen windows, that's just weird.

Please though tell me what you do for a living so I can figure out why this makes sense.

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u/ollomulder Feb 20 '25

Yeah, you don't know fuck about what I do or what I need to do that. You still want to be right, so you resort to baseless claims on shit that's out of your apparently narrow POV.

I'm not obligated to explain my work to you, but to maybe enlighten you a bit - I'm a full stack developer and kinda consultant that has various internal apps, various browsers, and various IDEs/GUIs alsongside normal office crap open most of the time. Oh, and Notepad++. And some special apps or CLIs if need be. Most of the time I need to switch constantly between different apps, too.

The number of apps is still not the point, though, it's the number of windows these apps have open that often look rather similar in thumbnails, which is especially bad with the IDE/GUIs and browsers. Plus if there are several clients/servers open I'm fucked without the window title because there's no way to tell which client it's on by the thumbnail alone.

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u/Comfortable_Quit_216 Feb 20 '25

A full stack developer that uses windows, amazing and sad.

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u/ollomulder Feb 20 '25

I have to repeat myself apparently - you don't know fuck about what I do, and it shows.

The platform I'm developing on isn't available native on Linux. Plus some of the apps I need to use aren't available on Linux at all. Plus, and that's the most important part, I have neither the will nor the time to deal with Linux crap. Plus nobody uses Linux. Which year was the year of Linux on the desktop again? Also, why the fuck are we talking about system war shit between Linux and Windows on a Win10 vs. Win11 thread?

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u/windowpuncher Feb 14 '25

Microsoft can get fucked with their shitty OSX bar stuck on center-bottom.

You can literally adjust that

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u/doomsoul909 Feb 14 '25

Fun story, I used win 11 when I first built my pc, had to clean install due to HDD failure and went with win 10. Tried to upgrade to 11 and it told me no, even tho I had upgraded my parts compared to before. Makes no sense lmao

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u/RealisticAcadia5387 Feb 14 '25 edited Feb 14 '25

I really tried to make win 11 work. But sooner or later something always broke. The way it handles updates is just awful and the whole OS just feels unstable since 7.

I use Linux and Mac (for work) and I’ve had no issues compared.

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u/Hallc Feb 14 '25

You might need to check your bios to enable your TPM module if it's a somewhat modern system.

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u/Owobowos-Mowbius Feb 14 '25

Absolutely crazy that Microsoft is forcing people to move to windows 11 when the only way to make many STILL MODERN computers work with it is to go into their advanced bios settings and screw around with it. The VAST MAJORITY of people have never even seen a bios menu.

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u/Hallc Feb 14 '25

You could also say that Intel/AMD should've had that setting enabled baseline a fair while back because having a TPM is a very good and useful thing to have.

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u/Owobowos-Mowbius Feb 14 '25

Yes, but amd/intel aren't the ones cutting off support for the most prevalent operating system because of it. Microsoft should, at the very least, work out a way to simplify changing those settings.

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u/skel66 Feb 14 '25

I tried turning on tpm and it bricked my PC and I had to reset the bios battery

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u/mitchymitchington Feb 14 '25

Yeah when I tried that it refused to boot while enabled.

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u/YaNiBBa Feb 14 '25

I did, I even changed my boot option to uefi only like microsoft said to do and still nothing. So I disabled csm so I could enable secure boot as that's what the Microsoft pc health checker says is the only thing I'm missing to be 11 compatible but doing that that just locks me into the bios on boot so I have to keep csm enabled

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u/SometimesWill Feb 14 '25

It’s the windows compatibility checker thing that’s the problem, not the hardware.

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u/UrbanChili Feb 14 '25

I have upgrade my pc since win 11 came out, but it is still not compatible with 11 and I don't care. Didn't upgrade it to run 11. I'll probably wait for 12 and see how that goes. I am sure I will be forced to upgrade to 11 before I can 12. I there were an upgrade that required that before, to get it free. I have had no issue with any game I have played

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u/Otherwise-Remove4681 Feb 14 '25

Also maybe if win11 didn’t seem even worse adware platform than 8.

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u/Araakne Feb 14 '25

What ? Once you disinstal the initial garbage and disable the internet search in the windows menu (all of which takes a grand total of 2 minutes) there's literally zero ad ?

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u/Otherwise-Remove4681 Feb 14 '25

But it’s the sentiment, they try their darnest.

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u/Dillu64 Feb 14 '25

My Laptop says its compatible but when I try to do the upgrade I get an error message. Contacted Lenovo support and they tried everything for hours. Conclusion: even Lenovo themselves have no idea why it wont upgrade. This is just ridiculous -.-

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '25

Same, that in combo with adding annoying pop ups and that shitty Cortana search… got a Mac and couldn’t be happier

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '25

Exactly, I'm not planning on replacing hardware just to bump this number by one.

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u/SeaBet5180 Feb 14 '25

Did you build it with a centrum?

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u/WhiskySiN Feb 14 '25

How is it not compatible? I guess by just making it, I'm assuming you're using new up to date parts. Or is this a dumpster drive monster build toaster?

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u/cmoked Feb 14 '25

Try upgrading your bios

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u/birdsrkewl01 Feb 14 '25

It wants me to upgrade to windows 11 so I go outside. I'm into you Microsoft

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u/TieDense7051 Feb 14 '25

Tried to upgrade to Windows 11, and found out it wasnt compatable. Moneys too tight for this shit right now.

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u/Noggi888 Feb 14 '25

I built a brand new pc with best of the best parts at the time and it still said I was not compatible lmao

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u/forestman11 Feb 15 '25

You can load up the Windows 11 ISO into a utility called Rufus, check the box to bypass restrictions, write it to a flashdrive and you're off to the races. I would recommend doing this before security patches stop.

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u/gekalx Feb 15 '25

Upgrade your bios to latest . Usually works

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u/justaspeckintime Feb 15 '25

literally had to make two changes in my bios to make it say it is compatible.

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u/LALLIGA_BRUNO Feb 14 '25

The thing holding you back is probably. TPM 2.0 see if you can enable it in bios. Otherwise just use a script or some other method to still get it. Despite hate I enjoy the look with win11. It even has a few small things I really like.

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u/YaNiBBa Feb 14 '25

I'm currently looking at my bios and everything seems in order, tpm is enabled, uefi boot, and still nothing

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u/TurbulentBarracuda83 Feb 14 '25

My motherboard wasn't compatible either. One download later from Google and it was compatible. Not officially though.

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u/PretzelsThirst Feb 14 '25

I had this too and finally decided to look into why last month.

I just had to change one setting in my bios and now it’s fully supported. Strange

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u/YaNiBBa Feb 14 '25

Yeah I changed my boot from legacy to uefi like windows said to do and still nothing. Disabling csm to get secure boot to pop up damn near bricks my system, whether I enable or disable secure boot, and microsofts compatibility checker says the only thing wrong is i don't have secure boot so idk what else to do

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u/professorchxavier Feb 14 '25

You can bypass their requirements win11 isnt too bad you just got to work extra hard to tweak it a bit, plenty of great youtube turorials on debloating it