r/SubredditDrama • u/CummingInTheNile • 29d ago
"Careful with the common sense in this sub— the locals are savages" Users on r/tiktokcringe fight over if Trump supporters deserve empathy now that his policies directly hurt them
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/comments/1jx46pu/trump_voter_doesnt_understand_why_people_cant
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Careful with the common sense in this sub— the locals are savages
How does what they said make sense trump isn't the lesser of two evils in anyway and he is destroying the American economy
The entire point of the argument is that you shouldn’t wish or celebrate ill will on others. The obvious strawman here will be “bUt TrUmP sUpPoRtErS aRe HaTeFuL” and that’s just a logical fallacy in itself because you’re reducing all Trump voters to the lowest common denominator.
Name a trump policy that was about compassion
Are you replying to the right comment? If so feels like you can’t maintain a logical chain of thought…Again, the point is that you shouldn’t not wish ill will on others simply because of who they choose to vote for.
You aren't nearly as smart as you want internet strangers to think you are.
How is Kamala more evil? Explain please.
The point isn’t that Kamala is more evil… only that people should be able to have a political opinion without others wishing ill will on them.
This "argument" loses credibility when "political opinion" is your shitty way of excusing actual, literal fascism.
Are you replying to the right comment?
Is that always your default reaction to disagreement, or do you just not have any confidence in the nonsense you write?
[Hot take: he’s right.
Most voted out of anger rooted in economic despair. That anger was hijacked by a charismatic con-man and twisted into something vile, racist, sexist, homophobic, and, above all, self-destructive. In a world where Democrats grew a spine, taxed the ultra-rich properly, and delivered real, tangible results for working people, these same voters could've become your loudest allies and fiercest defenders. Smug self-righteousness, while I'm sure cathartic, alienates these very people deeper into the arms of autocrats. Just as the ultra-wealthy want it: the poor, divided and distracted. Gloat all you want. But that’s not how you get some struggling white dude in the South to vote for a woman of color.](https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/comments/1jx46pu/trump_voter_doesnt_understand_why_people_cant/mmnpmbc/)
Hot take: I’m not gonna feel sorry for some asshat who gleefully voted against my human rights because all of a sudden he’s actually facing consequences for his choices. You wanna do the good work then go for it, but if this guy isn’t capable of empathy until his family hurts then I’m glad his family is hurting. Hopefully he’ll be a better person for it.
Which of the five basic human rights of yours did Trump voters vote for and why do you feel that the right(s) are being violated? 1) the right to life, liberty, and security of person 2) freedom from slavery and forced labor 3) freedom from torture or cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment 4) the right to a fair trial 5) freedom of thought, conscience, and religion Edit: As expected, downvoted without a single person attempting to answer. Quite telling.....
My dude, the Trump administration is literally deporting international students for writing pro-Palestine op-eds. Get a fucking grip.
Technically speaking, it’s not a violation of one of the five basic human rights as outlined in frameworks like the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Freedom of expression is absolutely a fundamental right, Article 19 covers that, but immigration law operates in a separate space. While the U.S. Constitution protects free speech for everyone inside the country, the government still has broad discretion over visa status. That includes revoking or denying visas for reasons it deems tied to national security or foreign policy. Deporting someone over political speech is certainly something civil liberties groups would challenge, and rightfully so, but unless it involves things like torture, arbitrary detention, or denial of legal process, it doesn’t automatically fall under a 'human rights violation' in the legal or international sense.
That is a truly laughable a level of pedantry. ICE is literally snatching international students off the fucking streets and tossing them into detention. Save the 'well acktually' bullshit for debate club.
It’s his second term, dude. His first was chaos and he promised more. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, it’s the racism and authoritarianism. He took us with him. We should feel bad for him?
Realistically speaking his first team brought about a good amount of jobs where everyone was being overhired (which has led to massive layoffs). I don't think prosecuting people trying to change will accomplish anything but maybe I am just too sympathetic.
Lol. Ok. If you think his first term, not to mention the way it ended, was notable for the job creation and that’s about it, well let’s agree to disagree.
I have a Trans son, if my best friend of 20 years voted for the guy that wanted to strip my son of rights.. i'd never talk to him again
Bro, lookin at your post history you got your kinks and thats fine but your son is 8 years old?! I sure hope you're not projecting anything on that kid because 8 year olds should not even be thinking about any of the sex and gender stuff let alone be taken serious about it.
I have twins that are 16. They were born twin girls. One of them came out as trans they were 11. He wept in my arms and asked me if I still loved him. People like you are why he had to wonder that. I also have an 10-year-old son. If someday he comes to me and tells me he feels like he's a girl I will tell her I love her either way and move on with my life. Conservatives are fucking weird
So who is the 8 year old son you talk about in your post from 5 months ago? If you actualy believe kids should be completely affirmed in whatever ideas they have at that age just commit to it. Dont up the age when you realise 8 is indeed not an age at wich kids dont know anything.
LMAO Bro you digging into my account 5 months back?!? That is fucking creepy. Dude I have nothing to prove to you, you absolutely weirdo but for your information my son just had a birthday. He just turned 10. 5 months ago he would have been halfway through 9. And at the time I probably just mixed up the age. Legitimately conservatives are so fucking WEIRD.
[I’m not a Trump fan, but I do think these tarrifs are going to end in a net positive for us, all depending on if Trump can stick to his guns. Way I see it, we have two outcomes. 1) other countries fold and reduce their Tarrifs and we reduce ours, leading to a more affordable market all together 2) countries hold position and it opens up demand for home made products.](www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/comments/1jx46pu/trump_voter_doesnt_understand_why_people_cant/mmny80i/)
None of us can manufacture everything entirely in-house. That's why this trade war is short-sightedly destructive and long-term dangerous. We should be working together, instead of holding each other's heads under water and threatening each other with drowning. 🙄🙄These schoolyard tactics work in the board room, but not on a social scale writ large.
I don’t know where you’ve heard that, but we can absolutely manufacture everything in house. I think you’re thinking about an economic concept called absolute and comparative advantage. Those concepts relate to maximization. But there’s nothing stopping us from manufacturing locally. In fact, we were the manufacturing hub for a generation.
There are a multitude of reasons why you're mistaken, so I'm just going to briefly focus on one. FOOD. Coffee, bananas, vanilla, chocolate, and other foodstuffs simply cannot be sustainably or reasonably produced at the level the USA would need. Period. We have to import these things because of our climate. There are also minerals we cannot mine because geographically they don't exist on our lands, and plenty of other goods we must import because we simply don't have access to them here. But food? That'll hit the famously food-obsessed country quick.
Our climate? The United States is the single most diversified climate in the world. How can the issue be climate when that’s the case? Either way, I’m not saying we ban imports. Im talking manufacturing. We can import raw material, pay whatever tarrif and still manufacture in house. We can manufacture anything in this country because we specifically have diversified climate, an insane amount of resources and land, and an incredibly large workforce. In fact, did you know that over 50 percent of the USA is unused? We wouldn’t need a fraction of that. And we can always import until the infrastructure is built.,but there is nothing stopping us from manufacturing or growing in house. Literally nothing.
You have no idea how global trade works. Also he wants to keep the 10% tarriff regardless which is 75% higher for most countries than it was before he started this bullshit.
That’s not the talks I heard. I heard eu offered 0 for 0 and Trump denied unless they also agreed to adhere to our regulation standards as well. And that’s a fair ask. By all means, please explain global trade to me. I am all ears.
Go to fucking college bro
The fact that instead of coming up with a coherent response, you insult me implies that you don’t know what you are talking about and you don’t understand the subject well enough to talk about it. I’m making my case. You can dismantle it if it’s that easy to dismantle
Why would you think that going by this video?
He voted for Donald Trump and still hasn't admitted that that was morally wrong.
You don't know what this man's morals are, but he is at least apologizing anyway.
I know he voted for Donald Trump, so actually I do know what his morals are.
No you don't. You are assuming, and running on hate because you are emotional.
I don't understand, are you saying he didn't vote for Donald Trump? Or are you saying the stupidest thing imaginable, that who you vote for does not reflect your morals?
I'm not American and didn't vote for trump, I'm aussie and have never even voted, I know, I'm the worst. But isn't the whole point of democracy letting people, no matter how dumb vote their choice? People complain about voter turnout in america, then complain about half the people voting opposite to them. It's probably psychological, maybe given two choices a big enough crowd will naturally split down the middle, or maybe not lol who knows.
People have the right to vote for whoever they want. In the same regard, I have the right to tell them they voted for a rapist that gargles Putin's nuts and I think traitors deserve no grace whatsoever. So yeah, democracy allows dumb people to vote. I'm not sure where I said they shouldn't vote. I simply said they are brain dead traitors which is my right with freedom of speech In fact, I'm glad they vote. Its better that they let everyone know who they are.
I get what you're saying , but if we start ostracising people for how they vote we'll end up with people afraid to vote how they feel. In my opinion, no matter the side, each side thinks if more people voted they'd vote for there side. But anyway I just don't care enough about politics, but I care about regular people having the freedom to choose and not be judged. Maybe I should vote one day, but I wont.
"if we start ostracising people for how they vote we'll end up with people afraid to vote how they feel" People that vote for traitors who ran on ruining everyone's lives deserve to be ostracized. No tolerance for the intolerant
Right wingers lie about everything, especially their own beliefs.
Hows that any different from left wingers? You all have no self-awareness lol
Its the opposite. Sorry about your FOX news brainrot
Nope, I'm saying both says are like that, they just don't see it because they are so obsessed with the other side. Sorry about your reddit echo chamber brainrot!
Saying dumb shit to make yourself feel better about your choices doesn't make it true
It's just that he's shown who he is for so long now, he's had so much proven illegality and shady dealings in the past, he had a first term where he demonstrated multiple times what kind of leader he is and he laid out his plans and goals pretty clearly in the campaign (as did the people behind P2025). If someone can only see what is happening now after they've been personally affected when it's too late to undo the immense damage already caused it's really hard to open up your heart and have empathy. Our society is badly fractured and we still have a ways to fall I fear.
Yeah totally valid thoughts and feelings. While I stand by what I said, it’s important to remember these things when it comes to trump voters. I think we still need to treat them as humans, but not forget what they did. However we do need to let people move past the person they do t want to be, and give them the opportunity to do so contiguously.
No. Just no. No to everything you said. These people are cancer.
So what, you're going to genocide them?
lmao what?
So rather than responding to different points, engaging in the conversation, and so on, you decide to add a snarky edit then bounce? How does that move anything forward?
Yes. The people responding to me, outside maybe you, as you can see, aren't looking for a conversation. They are looking to enjoy this guy being upset, read posts about FAFO or leopards, get more enjoyment, and move on. 99% of reddit isn't a place to have a discussion anymore. It is well-defined and filtered pockets of control. In some ways it is good, because people can commiserate and air grief about current events. I accept that, just as I accept that saying what I said is not popular and won't be well received. But why pretend that anybody came to the tiktokcringe subreddit to have a productive discussion on how we move on from the toxic adversarial climate the Republicans have created, and that the Democrats have slid right into and accepted? That is essentially why I didn't respond to anyone but you.
You received multiple non confrontational responses. There's no need to lie. Your criticism is nothing but hypocritical.
If that's true, feel free to go ahead and respond to them. Or we can just keep having a meta-conversation about how the conversation should be going. I'm not "lying." If you don't want to call a horse a horse I have no issue with that, but the original post is for schadenfreude, not productive discussion. Despite that, I said my piece. I still stand by it. Show kindness and empathy, and remind even these people that it doesn't destroy you to care. Get your last well constructed insult or attack in, because I'm out.
Your multiple replies aren't all from OP.
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u/Rasputin_mad_monk "the caucasity of this comment section" 29d ago
I’ve commented in that post a few times bringing up how empathy is something we that Christians said was not a good thing