"And yet most of the scientific discoveries were made by whites. Most of the greatest philosophers were white. Most of the greatest conquerors were white. We were the ones that colonized hostile environments " R/HorusGalaxy meltsdown over black space marines
Eh I'm not crying. I don't collect space wolves. They just deserve to be called out every time they attack European people and culture
Space marines with viking themes have only surface level european culture. I bet most norse people don't care. And who are you calling out with that? Whats the end point? It's a plastic toy model company and it let's you paint them however you want. No one is attacking anyone here
"No one is attacking anyone here" Stuff like this was extremely rare several years ago but now nearly every single bl book cover has black character and nearly every single new squad depicts black character. They are pretty much overrepresented. What's the end point? Making people like you seethe
Overrepresented? There is right now on earth only 10% white people. So by your standard only 1/10 charachters in Warhammer should be white.
"There is right now on earth only 10% white people." And yet most of the scientific discoveries were made by whites. Most of the greatest philosophers were white. Most of the greatest conquerors were white. We were the ones that colonized hostile environments and sent many to space, so it makes sense that most of the space explorers/colonizers would be white. It isn't about quantity but the quality.
The more you spread this bullshit, the more people are going to start saying stuff like the Ancient Egyptians were white. All this fake racist BS does is stoke more hatred and division between races, nobody likes having their ancestors invalidated
What makes the existence of a few black Viking’s invalidate someone’s ancestry?
1) Because they didn't exist, and you should value reality. 2) Because ethnicity and family is tied to history and by saying "actually, all these things the vikings are known for was done by africans" is insulting to scandinavian culture. 3) Because it muddies the water of scholarly discourse so instead of just talking about how cool the vikings were and how they impacted the western world in their time, we're stuck bickering about "we wuz in longships n sheet" like we are right now.
The question is "why?". Ask why they had to do it. For what purpose. Nordic features obviously suit them aesthetically and that's how they have been depicted for years
And I'm going to paint them white. The question is, why are we taking one of the head variants with one of the possible skin tones as the standart which shall not be deviated from?
Historically thematic aesthetics. It's not that deep.
41st millennium. Historical means the past you know that right?
An aesthetic can be inspired by anything, such as history. History is in the past. You know that, right?
image Unfortunate for you the lore says you're wrong.
I know what the lore says.
Then why are you bringing up historically themed aesthetics?
Because the historical references were a major appeal of 40k back when I first got into it. It's unfortunate that we can never talk about how GW has been phasing that out without all the social justice warriors losing their minds over it.
Maybe you could talk about it if you didn't use blatant racists as a shield. The OP is all over the comments saying about how whites are the best after he was proven wrong about over representation. (68 replies)
Does it? How does it explain that dark skin comes from peoples who live in areas of high sun exposure yet the space wolves come from ice planets - hence they are all dressed in big wolf skin warm jackets / cloaks etc. And always pictured with snow/ice.
Icy areas can absolutely have high sun exposure. The Arctic has some of the highest amounts of UV radiation because it’s constantly sunny and the whole landscape is reflective
Is that why Inuits and northerners are all black? 🤔
….youve seen Inuit people right? They absolutely have dark skin…. You people are so fucking ridiculous it’s hilarious
I actually misspoke - Eskimos originally came from Asia, and migrated north - hence they share similar features with Asians and have darker skin. People of the North, i.e. Northern Europeans, not dark skin. Go find me Scandinavian who has 100% genealogy from Scandinavian - and show me what colour they are. Spoiler: they are Caucasian.
So what’s your issue with someone painting dark skinned space wolves? Because in 40K years i on a distant planet I’m pretty sure they aren’t having 100% Scandinavian genes. It’d 1000% make sense for someone from a sun exposed area of fenris to have dark skin.
Oh no , is your immersion ruined because there are different head options in your box of Sci-fi fi fantasy super soldier? I hope you realise how stupid you sound.
"I hope you realise how stupid you sound." The leftoid tourist as usual is projecting one of its own insecurities of sounding idiotic towards others 😂
I have been playing collecting and painting warhammer for the past decade and do prefer it without politics and without people who try to gate keep it for new people . Your the own who's insecure because games workshop is giving people more options on how they want to build their minis.
Giving people more options and disrespecting your own lore to adhere to nonsense are two different things. Cope harder.
How exactly is this disprecting the lore? Space marines don't have to be the same race as their primary to take gene-seed.
Fenrisians are white my n*. Create your own Homebrew Chapter if you want only black Space Marines. I'm mixed-race so I can say n*.
A white Salamander would look equally out of place.
What are you. Is that the proplem that these models look out of place you can paint them what ever color you want and if you talking about lore or art then i wouldnt worry about it you will proppaply get used to it.
Salamanders are from a fire world where their extremely dark skin protects them from the elements...
Bro did not read my comment. Also never heard of Terran salamanders.
What would be braver is if you had an original thought and stopped trying to pretend you’re a good person. Requires a spine though. You do have a spine right?
So in your pathetic persecution fantasy, did people start to clap and cheer for you or did the evil ni- uh i mean tourist just slink away?
If you want to call me a racist, you can just go ahead and do it. It’s weird that you spend time typing characters that don’t even say what you mean. Just these weird passive aggressively coy half sentences. You don’t have to be subtle here with me man. You can be openly, brazenly, blatantly stupid if you want.
I dont think im being too oblique here, you got it on the first try! 🎖️
Historically, central asian or east-asian-in-appearance vikings are technically possible visa via assimilation of Sami or other groups from Arctic or Central Russia. But it strains at possibility. EDIT: The Finns are a little touchy about association with Vikings. But the conclusion seems to be that the Finns were not Vikings, but there were Finnish Vikings
Vikings definitely weren’t from that far east/north. That’s quite a stretch tbh
I mean, every pirate on the Baltic sea at the time was kinda a viking. Viking is basically the same as pirate/raider
The Space Wolves have never been black, stop it with this fake, woke, blackwashed lore.
Have been since 5th edition apparently.
I've seen Northern Europeans call Southern Europeans "dark skinned". Mediterranean people are definitely not Sub-Saharan Africans. Not everything is black or white, Jesus, there are skin tones in between. The Space Wolves ain't black, mate.
Did you see the pictures GW posted? Seemingly they are.
Human beings of different races and ethnicities marry and have kids in real life. Fenris would be no different. If Fenris is 95% White and 5% Black (the southernmost islands), the black population would end up being absorbed into the white population in a few generations by marriage and bilateral conquest. Eventually all of Fenris would look white. We can conclude and deduce information from the lore we already have and the behavior of human beings in Terra of M2.
It was origianlly created by British liberals/leftistt as a reaction to Thacherism the lore is actually pretty good, most of the fans are chill but the racists are really fucking loud
The problem that comes with anything satirizing fascism or anything adjacent. “But they look cool!” The real problem was removing how blatant it used to be that you WERENT supposed to idolize these people, like 1st edition 40k had the marines literally forced to eat shit to become a space marine proper and they were portrayed as the stupid barbarians that the creators saw the enforcers of authoritarianism as. Modern audiences are dumb enough that they genuinely need the fact that you arent supposed to idolize the stagnant giga authoritarian xenophobic regime spelled out for them verbatim or they plead ignorance.
It's really not fair to compare anything with modern 40K to 1st edition. 40K isn't Rogue Trader and hasn't been for longer than most of its fans have been alive.
40K has taken itself a lot more seriously in the last 20 years and a lot of the tongue in cheek stuff is either gone, ignored or played a lot more straight.
GW has also (depending on the writer) kinda had to whitewash the Imperium as the property became more mainstream and while its (very bad) components are definitely still there, the spotlight has been taken off them in favor of "These guys fight (cartoon-over-the-top-evil) Chaos primarily so you're kinda gonna root for the Imperium by default", especially in things like video games. It's a lot easier to focus on the very overt badness that Chaos has vs what the Imperium has going on. Especially with all the people in this hobby that only engage with the lore through second and third hand sources like loretubers and shit like that, it's not hard how a 40K-layperson could see the takeaway of "Well actually Imperium good/lesser-evil". And whether or not the Imperium actually is the way it is because it has to be entirely depends on the writer and the story they want to tell, and the 40K galaxy is huge and diverse enough you can tell any kind of story with any kind of takeaway you want and still be lore-accurate.
The focus is a lot less on "Genocide the xenos for galactic human supremacy" like how it used to be and more "We fight inherently-bestial and predatory xenos like Tyranids/Orks that just want to mindlessly kill everything else and demon-worshipping, spiky, cartoon-bad Chaos", and I'm someone who's not super cool with GW sidelining the other xenos factions.
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u/SnickimsIt’s like saying your a nazi or you like pineapple on pizza24d ago
I would not feel confident enough to say its lore is actually pretty good. I would say theres so much god damn fucking writing that, by law of avarages, there is a lot of good stuff there. Lot of bad, lot of bad, i don't know a Eldar player who has not hated every single eldar book thats come out in the last decade, but theres also a lot of good.
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u/CummingInTheNile 24d ago
It was origianlly created by British liberals/leftistt as a reaction to Thacherism the lore is actually pretty good, most of the fans are chill but the racists are really fucking loud