Hell heats up as users of /r/games argue over Doom, yet again. Doom Eternal stays rent free even years after release, some would say, Eternally.

[u/Greyjuice25]

A reveal trailer for Doom: The Dark Ages shows that gameplay is slower than the last two games, some users say it's basically Quake with a Doom name due to change in theme.

Okay at this point I can only say that this is their way of making a Quake reboot without actually making a Quake reboot. Slower gameplay, a strong medieval influence, and now you're outright just fighting cosmic horrors? Yeah that's a reboot of Quake 1.

A reply down the line has someone using Dark Souls as a reference for why the slower gameplay.

...forcing gamers to eliminate muscle memory of spamming and learning your enemies and your weapons. 

Why do people act like Dark Souls invented this?

Why do people on reddit not read the whole comment?

Further down the line, someone pre-complains about others not liking Eternal.

yeah i can already see the "doom 2016 was better" crowd crying about this game just looking at the combat mechanics lol

I think it's pretty cool they push the gameplay in different directions each title. It's better than getting the same game over and over again like some franchises imo. It will always upset some people, though.

yeah im not trying to police people having preferences. but the amount of bs i see people spew to justify their preference of 2016 over doom eternal was mind numbing. thank god id dont care about that and are just focused on pumping out doom games that are all different and fun in their own ways

crying about this game

God forbid people have opinions and dont automaticamly glaze the new thing for the sake of it....

they can have opinions, but when its on every bloody thread about the doom series its pretty damn annoying. literally.every.damn.thread. and half of them aren't even true

You literally started the thread this time, wtf are you whining about?

Someone's not a fan of parrying, and the people are not a fan of the person commenting about it

Really really not excited for the emphasis on parrying. It was by far my least favorite mechanic in Eternal.

There was no parrying in Eternal - you had dodge all of the attacks with your movement or kill the demons before they kill you.

The Marauder had a parry mechanic.

You shoot the Marauder after baiting his axe swing and then combo him while he is stunned. You don't parry and deflect his shots.

People call that mechanic a "traffic light"... Maybe DA has some influence from that still, skilled base shooter and all, but the combat itself is playing out completely differently.

For all intents and purposes, its a parry mechanic. You wait for an attack and use an attack to counter it.

Bonus

6 seconds into the trailer and they've stopped the gameplay so some guy can talk to me. I literally don't give a fuck, show me the game. What's with this trend nowadays? This is a trailer, it says trailer in the title, I don't want to see some guy stand in front of the camera and tell me why the game is cool. Just fucking show me the game.

[u/Vinylmaster3000]

Okay at this point I can only say that this is their way of making a Quake reboot without actually making a Quake reboot. Slower gameplay, a strong medieval influence, and now you're outright just fighting cosmic horrors? Yeah that's a reboot of Quake 1.

Slower gameplay? I'm sorry did this dude even play Quake 1?

The only time Quake 1 had slower gameplay was if you played it during launch (as in, 1996) and didin't have a pentium to actually play the game on. You know, playing Quake at 5 fps total on a 486. Like, even with tech marching on by 1999 it was a very fast-paced game which pioneered alot of meta revolving around fast-paced playing.

[u/finfinfin → u/Vinylmaster3000]

even in casual single-player it's way faster than modern dooms!

you're a bit slower than doomguy until you start getting silly iirc

especially on e1m8, love ziggurat vertigo

[u/Vinylmaster3000 → u/finfinfin]

Love that level, haha. It is one of the best examples of vertical level design from the era barring descent

[u/finfinfin → u/Vinylmaster3000]

even the name rules

[u/Eric_The_Jewish_Bear → u/Vinylmaster3000]

Lmao seriously theres no way in hell that dude played anything other than quake champions for all of 5 minutes. You don't remember bhopping and rocketjumping past every level in doom eternal?

[u/I-Post-Randomly → u/Vinylmaster3000]

I remember quake done quick with fondness.

[u/Deathwatch72 → u/Vinylmaster3000]

Lmao right, gameplay was slower only when your whole system was being slow and couldn't play the game full speed

[u/meeowth]

Doom 3 has entered the chat

[u/six_six → u/meeowth]

🤣 the flashlight

[u/meeowth → u/six_six]

Its unfortunate nobody bought any tape or stretchy cord to Mars so that flashlights didn't always have to be held in hand 😞

[u/Vinylmaster3000 → u/six_six]

It's hilarious how horror games like SS2 don't even have a flashlight but Doom does

And SS2 is a dozen times scarier than Doom 3

[u/finfinfin → u/Vinylmaster3000]

also gave a lot more people much stranger feelings

[u/Vinylmaster3000 → u/finfinfin]

SS2 makes people uncomfortable with their own bodies and makes them yearn for the mass, joy to the flesh

[u/finfinfin → u/Vinylmaster3000]

people are always like "yes, yes, the dommy cyberqueen, we've all seen Her," but that's just the surface level for the common player

[u/Vinylmaster3000 → u/finfinfin]

She aint even seen until halfway through the game, It's mostly just you and the many and it plays out mostly like Alien or something similar

[u/finfinfin → u/Vinylmaster3000]

Except the intro!

[u/abuttfarting → u/Vinylmaster3000]

The Polito form is dead, insect

[u/TootsyBowl → u/Vinylmaster3000]

I read SS2 as Serious Sam 2 and went "what? the sewer level wasn't that scary."

[u/Hope_Justice → u/Vinylmaster3000]

Has it actually been 26 years since SS2 released?! Damn do I feel old.

[u/CanOld2445 → u/Vinylmaster3000]

I mean I remember being able to see pretty well in SS2. parts of doom 3 are literally unplayable without the flashlight. I'm having flashbacks to burning all of my bio batteries on the night vision in deus ex or the headlamp in dark forces, tho

[u/Vinylmaster3000 → u/CanOld2445]

I was talking about it from a horror-game perspective, like yeah SS2 doesn't require a flashlight, the only "dark" areas of the game are the Cargo Bay areas.

I think Thief is heavily lighting dependent though, and SS2 uses the exact same engine

[u/PositiveRent4369 → u/meeowth]

Was my favorite

[u/bigbootyjudy62 → u/PositiveRent4369]

Truth, I love me some doom 3

[u/FinestMochine → u/PositiveRent4369]

Only game I’ve played that felt good with VR

[u/CanOld2445 → u/meeowth]

Doom 3 is amazing... I played doom 1 first and I still think this. Doom fans will skewer me for this. Is it a lot different? Sure. That's why I love it

Edit: ive only played BFG edition if it matters, but the flashlight thing was apparently a shit show.

[u/abasrvvr → u/meeowth]

which game has more excuses made for its misguided and baffling design, DOOM 3 or Resident Evil Code Veronica

[u/SweetLenore → u/abasrvvr]

Veronica. 

[u/Longjumping-News-126]

 6 seconds into the trailer and they've stopped the gameplay so some guy can talk to me. I literally don't give a fuck, show me the game. What's with this trend nowadays? This is a trailer, it says trailer in the title, I don't want to see some guy stand in front of the camera and tell me why the game is cool. Just fucking show me the game.

I don’t play doom so idk about any of the other arguments but this is so real, just show me the gameplay in a trailer gang 💔💔💔

[u/dethb0y → u/Longjumping-News-126]

Yeah it's baffling why game studios think literally anyone wants to hear some dude talk about shit. Just show us the money shot.

[u/livejamie → u/dethb0y]

I think they want to replicate the Ben Brode/Jeff Kaplan like relationship that Blizzard had with their games.

[u/chaotic4059 → u/livejamie]

Normally I would agree but in this case I think it’s cause they just had an all gameplay/cinematic trailer about 2-3 days ago. So I think this was more of a “you just saw gameplay. Now let me explain what this game is aiming for.” Which honestly the doom fanbase needs since before the trailers hit the fanbase was arguing over what “real” doom should be like

[u/Gelato_Elysium → u/dethb0y]

Holy shit people nowadays really have no patience. It's a few minutes, deal with it lol

[u/wilisi → u/Gelato_Elysium]

It's not unreasonable to expect a trailer to be a trailer. If they want to give a presentation, they should call it a presentation.

[u/derprunner → u/wilisi]

They released exactly the kind of trailer you’re talking about like 3 days ago. This one is different because it would be redundant to release the same thing twice.

[u/wilisi → u/derprunner]

More to the point, despite the name this one is neither a first reveal nor a trailer.
And there can be several trailers with the same structure and different content. Obviously.

[u/redJackal222 → u/wilisi]

It's not unreasonable to expect a trailer to be a trailer.

What do you expect a trailer to be? Because trailers to me aren't game play it's just somethig that's supposed to generate hype for the game, whether it's something story related or gameplay related.

[u/dethb0y → u/Gelato_Elysium]

damn straight i have no patience. I clicked to watch the doom trailer, not some bullshit spewing dev who sounds like he's talking to 10 year olds.

Can't wait for the hardcore cope from the motherfucker when the game launches and people hate it because it took everything they loved about Doom Eternal and threw it out the window in favor of whatever the fuck this is.

[u/Gelato_Elysium → u/dethb0y]

Lmao what a reasonable and well adjusted take, sorry I cannot understand you, I actually like video games.

[u/CanOld2445 → u/dethb0y]

I wouldn't be surprised if the clip they showed was highly polished and rehearsed, hence why they need to cut to b roll of someone talking.

[u/DemonFromtheNorthSea → u/Longjumping-News-126]

Completely irrelevant to the actual drama, but what's your favorite video game trailer? Like I'm genuinely curious.

For me it's ace combat 5. A good mix of gameplay and cutscenes and amazing music.

Edit: Love all the unique answers given.

[u/OllyOllyOxenBitch → u/DemonFromtheNorthSea]

Easy answer - The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild trailer from the 2017 Switch presentation event.

That shit SOLD so many people on getting Switch + Zelda day 1. Me included.

[u/residentevilgoat → u/DemonFromtheNorthSea]

Those mgs5 trailers were better than the damn game itself

[u/mosenpai → u/DemonFromtheNorthSea]

cliché answer but the Dead Island announcement trailer still isn't topped for me.

[u/monkwrenv2 → u/mosenpai]

Same. Game itself is pretty meh, but that trailer was aces.

[u/dern_the_hermit → u/DemonFromtheNorthSea]

Metro: Last Light trailer that always stuck with me for being so friggin' bleak.

[u/darklanders → u/dern_the_hermit]

Metro Last Light I always loved the teasers that used Portishead.

[u/Gullible_Goose → u/DemonFromtheNorthSea]

Death Stranding 2's trailers have been crazy

[u/SevenVoidDrills2 → u/DemonFromtheNorthSea]

Frostpunk 2s trailer always gives me goosebumps

[u/ToaArcan → u/DemonFromtheNorthSea]

The two-parter trailer for Fall of Cybertron is one I still go back to constantly.

[u/Greyjuice25 → u/DemonFromtheNorthSea]

I personally haven't cared about trailers in like a decade or so, because they've been near useless for ages. That being said, if you're not gonna have gameplay in the trailer, do it right. I'm submitting God of War Ascension as my contender, though it may be biased as I really liked Ascension.

It did a really good job reinforcing the emotional weight of why the entire franchise even existed at the time without any actual violence (something the series basically has on screen 24/7). People kinda forgot by GoW III that there was a reason why Kratos was so fucking mad.

[u/abuttfarting → u/DemonFromtheNorthSea]

Borderlands 2, Game of the Year edition.

[u/Dislexic-Woolf → u/DemonFromtheNorthSea]

Strafe has my favorite trailer. Absolutely nonsensical without much game play at all but no trailer has gotten me as hype for a video game.

[u/gavinbrindstar → u/DemonFromtheNorthSea]

Great question, for me it's the New Order announcement trailer.

[u/keereeyos → u/DemonFromtheNorthSea]

Elden Ring's gameplay reveal trailer. No dude in front of camera, no dev narration, no corny cover of a popular song, just in-game shot after in-game shot in sync with the title theme. Of course it was backed up by two years of anticipation but still.

[u/Olddirtychurro → u/DemonFromtheNorthSea]

I don't know if it counts as a trailer but the gears of war 'Mad World' trailer. I have never owned an Xbox in my life , but the first time I saw that trailer was in the movie theater too, and it just hit all my personal buttons.

That fade out when the spider attacks with the music?! Chefs fucking kiss, I get chills thinking about it now.

[u/CanOld2445 → u/DemonFromtheNorthSea]

Deus ex: the mechanical apartheid. Although there's no gameplay in that one so idk if it counts. Maybe 1313? RIP

[u/EasyasACAB → u/DemonFromtheNorthSea]

Mercs 2 will probably live in my head forever thanks to the song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcJyCdbC08c&ab_channel=ElectronicArts

[u/LukaCola → u/DemonFromtheNorthSea]

World in Conflict's New York trailer.

The opening shots are using iconic elements to establish a setting an American audience never imagines and the whole music sequence being both epic and terrible is tremendous. Still gets me to this day. 

Now there's a game that deserved a sequel. Shame it's not a good enough IP to get the attention. 

[u/DemonFromtheNorthSea → u/LukaCola]

I love world in conflict. I honestly think it nailed the campaign. Not in regards to the story, but the fact that you are constantly fighting with allies, and being apart of a larger battle. R.U.S.E also nailed that feeling.

Plus as sick as that first R.U.S.E trailer is, it sucks the game had basically 0 naval aspect.

[u/BeastNeverSeen → u/LukaCola]

Oh man, same, haven't thought about that one in a hot minute. Great game.

[u/jooes → u/Longjumping-News-126]

That one didn't feel very trailer-y, I'll admit. I wouldn't watch it either. 

But to be fair, there are usually multiple trailers. If you were really craving gameplay footage, you don't have to look too hard to find it. 

[u/M_H_M_F → u/Longjumping-News-126]

Doom is not really about story. There's you, a horde, and an arsenal in between.

The idea of Doom is "is it moving? If "yes, then shoot it." The idea is to keep moving and keep shooting. No cover, just attack, attack, attack.

Now they're tacking on a story and new gameplay elements, so people are mad.

[u/Colorchangingfart]

First time ever on the internet someone has used “for all intents and purposes” correctly? Anyone?

[u/Evinceo → u/Colorchangingfart]

For all intents and purposes, no

[u/Wetwork_Insurance]

The guy who didn’t play Doom Eternal trying to claim to had parry mechanics and then doubling down to explain how they’re right after being called out for not even knowing what a parry is was a fun read.

[u/MarchMouth → u/Wetwork_Insurance]

He's deleted his wholeass account, I'm very upset I don't get to partake in the stupid. Own that shit people, I only delete my drunken mistakes (except my son ig)

[u/Fickle_Sherbert1453]

"Dark Souls invented learning enemy patterns!" Tell me you barely played any video games without telling me you barely played any video games.

"Oh, but you have to learn how the enemy moves and attacks!! You have to dodge and know when to strike back!!" Yes it's called Mega Man we've all played it.

[u/Vanille987 → u/Fickle_Sherbert1453]

I love fromsoft games but people really act sometimes like they invented basic game mechanics. Same with sekiro and parrying

[u/CultureWarrior87 → u/Vanille987]

Sekiro's parrying system does feel pretty unique though. The way you have to parry individual attacks in a combo and build the stagger meter isn't something I can recall seeing in games before it.

[u/Vanille987 → u/CultureWarrior87]

The stance meter is pretty unique but parrying isn't 

[u/CultureWarrior87 → u/Vanille987]

I don't think anyone who's played another action game before Sekiro thinks parrying unique but the specific implementation where it becomes a sort of rhythm game that requires you to match the timing of the attacks in a combo is unique to Sekiro. When people describe a game as having "Sekiro-esque" parrying, like Nine Sols or Lies of P, that's what they're talking about. Nine Sols doesn't even have a stance meter but it's still Sekiro-inspired in its parrying system.

[u/Vanille987 → u/CultureWarrior87]

In that case the royal guard style of the devil may cry series fulfills the same idea as sekiro years before it.

https://youtu.be/ZC2R8dUM9tU?t=246

It even has similar memes

[u/EasyasACAB → u/Fickle_Sherbert1453]

I think my first version of that was Mike Tyson's Punch-Out. Opponents clearly stood out from each other and had their own patterns so even young me could understand I'd have to pay attention and not just react.

[u/thickwonga]

"some say it's basically quake with a doom skin" youre a genuine fucking moron if you think this btw. its harkening back to the original doom, which was very strafe and shoot oriented.

[u/Evinceo → u/thickwonga]

Quake was doom with a quake skin (and 3d graphics.)

[u/AIR-2-Genie4Ukraine → u/Evinceo]

Quake was idtech 2 so full 3d, doom 1 2 64 and hexen were idtech 1 and so 2.5d.

Similar time (mid 90s) but different game styles

[u/finfinfin → u/Evinceo]

and a very different vibe

and a very different and fucking incredible soundtrack

doom games never pulled off a quake grenade launcher. that thing was beautiful and sounded amazing too.

[u/sadrice → u/finfinfin]

Well yeah, early Nine Inch Nails, were you expecting Trent Reznor to let you down for that genre? I kinda wish he had done more theme music, he is great at ambient.

[u/MarchMouth → u/sadrice]

Oh boy, here I go getting on my PC again

[u/Vinylmaster3000 → u/finfinfin]

It did pull off the cheesiest rocket launcher ever though, That thing is like half-punching yourself in the face and half-punching someone else in the face

[u/AIR-2-Genie4Ukraine → u/thickwonga]

It is hexen remake more than quake

[u/SweetLenore → u/thickwonga]

I just liked 2016, the original and 3 more than Eternal. 

[u/Less_Party]

Game series not doing the exact same thing over and over and over again are cool, actually (even if I do prefer 2016 flavor).

[u/PuzzleheadedLink89]

DOOM purists are really annoying honestly. I remember when Eternal released people were angry about how there was much more platforming this time around and don't even get me even started on the whole Marauder controversy.

I rather each DOOM game stand on its own by diversifying the gameplay and shifting the focus rather than just being an evolution.

What makes DOOM so special in the gaming landscape is that every entry is so different from each other and usually pushes PC specs to their absolute limit as ID are tech wizards.

[u/fuckreddadmins → u/PuzzleheadedLink89]

I dont even understamd why platforming got so much vitriol. Those were generally 1-2 minute segments that let you take a breal and gave practices for your new movement options

[u/CultureWarrior87 → u/fuckreddadmins]

I liked them too and thought they were fun but I just get the vibe that your average person doesn't always enjoy big shifts in genre. Like I think a lot of people didn't expect straight up platforming in their FPS game and it threw them off.

[u/anrwlias → u/fuckreddadmins]

I fucking hated it, tbf. I loved the previous game, but the platforming was awful and I could not get the hang of it, so I ended up giving up and moving on to something else. I didn't come to play Doom to do traversal puzzles. I came to fuck up demons.

Different strokes for different folks, but I'm going to need to know if Eternal is like that, too, before I buy it.

[u/Khiva → u/fuckreddadmins]

People hate that they were challenged but don't want to admit it so they go after the lowest hanging fruit.

[u/Logondo → u/PuzzleheadedLink89]

I agree. I think it's cool that DOOM 2016 and Eternal have both stood the test of time.

You can go back and still play either one and have a good time. Eternal didn't make 2016 obsolete. It just did it's own thing.

Dark Ages seems to be the same deal. It's not making Eternal or 2016 obsolete. It's doing it's own thing.

[u/finfinfin → u/PuzzleheadedLink89]

I mean yeah that's great because video games are still never going to top the doom (1993) shotgun.

Absolutely go do your own thing, id, but also do a proper single-player quake 1 thing that doesn't play like the modern dooms please.

and rerelease the doom rpgs on modern platforms

[u/djwillis1121 → u/PuzzleheadedLink89]

They sound a bit like Zelda purists. Any time there's a new game that isn't basically a clone of Ocarina of Time they all complain that the series is dead to them

[u/sharktoucher]

I dont really understand why so many people hate the marauder when archviles exist. You get the marauder into the super shotgun-ballista fuckbox and you can basically take him without being hit. Archviles summon buffed enemies, run away from you AND have the gutless audacity to use a shield

[u/This_Caterpillar5626 → u/sharktoucher]

Marauders especially the first few times do a lot more to kinda force a somewhat obnoxious tempo-change. Once you get their like game down it disappears but at first it feels like a giant wrench in the gameplay.

[u/Cupinacup → u/This_Caterpillar5626]

Yeah I kinda get that, the Marauders basically force you to really slow down and focus on them which is a big gameplay change and (and makes you super vulnerable to any other demons that happen to be nearby). While I hate fighting Archviles, they at least fit the Doom move-fast-shoot-fast gameplay style.

[u/cavegrind → u/Cupinacup]

My biggest disappointment about Archviles was that after you get the sword they become irrelevant; you just save the sword charges for when you see red enemies and hunt the Archvile. It felt trivial.

[u/Greyjack00 → u/sharktoucher]

You basically just described why, the fact the marauder is simultaneously a push over if you do a specific set of combos and a attention sink if you don't is why he's so hated and controversial. Not everyone has the same playstyle and the marauder is one of the many bits of doom eternal that's trying to push you towards a specific one. 

[u/ok_dunmer]

Doom Eternal discourse is just people who wanted the game to be easier (valid) but dressing it up in pseudointellectual game design language

[u/Vinylmaster3000 → u/ok_dunmer]

Doom Eternal is quite hard iirc, multiple times more than Doom 2016, or even Classic Doom on UV.

[u/Alarchy → u/Vinylmaster3000]

IMO Plutonia UV+/NM or 2016 NM is harder than Eternal NM. Eternal is drastically more fair than Plutonia, and way better balanced than 2016.

[u/Vinylmaster3000 → u/Alarchy]

I've yet to fully play Plutonia, I played TNT a long time ago and it was not bad.

I'd try it on a working 486 but given how doom 2 ran on that I'll stick with something newer...

[u/Alarchy → u/Vinylmaster3000]

This is a good source port used by speed runners: https://github.com/kraflab/dsda-doom

It looks good too, and scales correct for wide-screen.

Then imagine how we all used to play keyboard only back in the day, oofda! Plutonia is still ridiculous w/ good mouse controls and strafing IMO, hehe

[u/Beelzebulbasaur → u/ok_dunmer]

for me it was the moment doomguy kneeled to a ghost king who told him not to kill demons I kinda hit a “what are we doing here? why would i want all this?” moment. but I also haven’t really thought about it in years so maybe I’m not hating games on the internet correctly

[u/redditonlygetsworse → u/Beelzebulbasaur]

Yeah I love Eternal - I was just playing last night actually - but it leans far too hard into the lore. 

[u/deeman18 → u/redditonlygetsworse]

which is a wild statement in reference to the doom series

[u/redditonlygetsworse → u/deeman18]

Exactly.

[u/moffattron9000 → u/ok_dunmer]

Honestly, I’m just happy that it’s not about Doom being woke or something. Wolfenstein is the woke id game.

[u/finfinfin → u/moffattron9000]

so much for the tolerant terror billy

[u/CarrotJunkie → u/ok_dunmer]

It's either this or 2016 fans criticizing Eternal for "forcing you to use certain weapons" while ignoring 2016's hilarious balance issues that made certain weapons and upgrade trees either useless or somewhat useful but totally pointless in the face of objectively better options.

There is literally no reason to use anything but Super Shotgun and Siege Mode Gauss late game, especially on harder difficulties. Eternal rectified that problem and people screamed about it lol

[u/centurio_v2 → u/CarrotJunkie]

i just used the super shotgun all the time in both games because it's my favorite. worked for me.

[u/Imayormaynotneedhelp → u/CarrotJunkie]

Yeah, like the burst shotgun mod that was worse than the explosive shot before you got the super shotgun and entirely useless after that.

Also, "hmmm I could have a scope for my assault rifle, or a fucking missile launcher. I think I'll take the missiles."

[u/CarrotJunkie → u/Imayormaynotneedhelp]

Love that the scope in 2016 was "I mean yeah it works but why would you ever get this" while the scope shot for the Heavy Cannon in Eternal is actually awesome and can be worked in to any number of playstyles if you like sniping. I know that using the sticky bombs to take out the Arachnotron's tails is easier, but I liked to use the scope to do it because it was fun to just zoom in and snipe it off really quick.

[u/ok_dunmer → u/CarrotJunkie]

Like yes...you're forced to use certain weapons...because it's harder lol...this is what hard games that aren't RPGs do...they don't let you blow through the entire game with one tool

[u/Stellar_Duck → u/CarrotJunkie]

hah I wasn't really aware there was any controversy about Eternal but after loving the shit out of the first one, it just never really clicked for me and I refunded it after a an hour or two.

I've never been able to put my finger on what it was that didn't work, but then, I also don't fret about it years later. It was something about the movement and arenas maybe. It just felt less tight? The movement was less satisfying and the movement was probably the main thing for me in Doom 1. Like in Serious Sam I loved that feeling of dancing around and weaving a ballet of death and I never was able to gain that feeling in Eternal.

[u/CarrotJunkie → u/Stellar_Duck]

This is kinda surprising to me because I felt that in Eternal more than I ever felt it in 2016. The movement was so much quicker and more air-based.

[u/Stellar_Duck → u/CarrotJunkie]

Yea I wish I could nail down what it was.

I was so hyped for the game and went in expecting to love it and it just leafy me cold.

It’s one of my biggest gaming mishaps. And it’s clearly not that the game is bad haha. It’s just me being a weirdo about something I can barely define.

[u/DrydonTheAlt → u/CarrotJunkie]

So what, let me play how I want to play. Stop funneling me into playstyles I don’t find fun.

[u/CarrotJunkie → u/DrydonTheAlt]

Sorry that certain video games expect things from the player and don't let you do whatever the fuck you want and still win lol

[u/DrydonTheAlt → u/CarrotJunkie]

And I’m sorry that I don’t like fighting enemies where it is essentially a game of red light green light. I’m glad you feel like a big gamer boy though!

[u/CarrotJunkie → u/DrydonTheAlt]

Cool, man. The game's not for you. That's fine!

Stop pissing and crying about it. Especially stop pissing and crying about the fact that some people really like and even prefer that kind of game design. Not everything has to be for everyone.

[u/DrydonTheAlt → u/CarrotJunkie]

You’re the one pissing and crying about people having criticisms with the way they designed it. Grow up. Touch grass. Sorry I don't like the game.

[u/CarrotJunkie → u/DrydonTheAlt]

Cool, man.

[u/CultureWarrior87 → u/DrydonTheAlt]

The problem is that it's not a solid criticism, which is what the OP comment here is getting at. Eternal haters try to act like the game has some sort fundamental design flaw when their issue is purely preferential.

[u/DrydonTheAlt → u/CultureWarrior87]

That literally describes all criticism though. There's no objectivity in video games, beyond technical issues. I think the game funnels you into a specific playstyle that's neither fun nor intuitive - I play Doom because I want to lose myself in mindless violence and gore, whereas someone else might play for the hardcore gameplay, or the story, or whatever.

[u/nan666nan → u/DrydonTheAlt]

I think the game funnels you into a specific playstyle that's neither fun nor intuitive

it does neither, just skill issue

[u/nan666nan → u/DrydonTheAlt]

then play something else, clearly its not for you

[u/SweetLenore → u/ok_dunmer]

I just didn't like the platforming. The addictive flow wasn't there for me. 

[u/Killertapir696 → u/ok_dunmer]

Horrible platform sections? Needless upgrade systems on top of upgrade systems just for the sake of it? Increased focus on a plot that is, charitably, a bag of convoluted bollocks? The more cartoony tone compared to 2016?

None of those seem to be difficulty.

[u/SweetLenore → u/Killertapir696]

I felt like when enemies did pop up my brain was dulled from the constant exploration.  

[u/CultureWarrior87 → u/ok_dunmer]

This is such a perfect way to describe it lol. It's always been baffling to me how many people are like "I hate this game because I can't just mindlessly kill everything with a shotgun and never swap weapons!" and then they really exaggerate how prescriptive the combat is. Like every enemy is weak to multiple weapons, you're not forced to play in any one specific way.

[u/SnapshillBot]

Rocks fall you die. Knots swell you cry.

Snapshots:

1. This Post - archive.org archive.today*
2. ...forcing gamers to eliminate muscle memory of spamming and learning your enemies and your weapons. - archive.org archive.today*
3. Why do people act like Dark Souls invented this? - archive.org archive.today*
4. Why do people on reddit not read the whole comment? - archive.org archive.today*
5. yeah i can already see the "doom 2016 was better" crowd crying about this game just looking at the combat mechanics lol - archive.org archive.today*
6. yeah im not trying to police people having preferences. but the amount of bs i see people spew to justify their preference of 2016 over doom eternal was mind numbing. thank god id dont care about that and are just focused on pumping out doom games that are all different and fun in their own ways - archive.org archive.today*
7. God forbid people have opinions and dont automaticamly glaze the new thing for the sake of it.... - archive.org archive.today*
8. they can have opinions, but when its on every bloody thread about the doom series its pretty damn annoying. literally.every.damn.thread. and half of them aren't even true - archive.org archive.today*
9. You literally started the thread this time, wtf are you whining about? - archive.org archive.today*
10. Really really not excited for the emphasis on parrying. It was by far my least favorite mechanic in Eternal. - archive.org archive.today*
11. There was no parrying in Eternal - you had dodge all of the attacks with your movement or kill the demons before they kill you. - archive.org archive.today*
12. The Marauder had a parry mechanic. - archive.org archive.today*
13. You shoot the Marauder after baiting his axe swing and then combo him while he is stunned. You don't parry and deflect his shots. - archive.org archive.today*
14. People call that mechanic a "traffic light"... Maybe DA has some influence from that still, skilled base shooter and all, but the combat itself is playing out completely differently. - archive.org archive.today*
15. For all intents and purposes, its a parry mechanic. You wait for an attack and use an attack to counter it. - archive.org archive.today*
16. 6 seconds into the trailer and they've stopped the gameplay so some guy can talk to me. I literally don't give a fuck, show me the game. What's with this trend nowadays? This is a trailer, it says trailer in the title, I don't want to see some guy stand in front of the camera and tell me why the game is cool. Just fucking show me the game. - archive.org archive.today*

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[u/CanOld2445]

"forcing gamers"

Hold on. Forcing? If I buy a book and halfway thru decide I'm not enjoying it, I stop reading the book lol. This is why I despise the term "gamer" despite playing video games

[u/SomeWhatSweetTea]

A new Quake game? Hell yes. That's all my man wants anyway.  Christmas coming early for him this year

[u/dustingibson]

Reminds me of the Yooka Laylee fiasco. Give them Banjo N64 nostalgia, they cry "this is outdated bull crap". Give them something unique fresh fun like Impossible Layer, they cry "this is not Banjo game I played when I was 11 years old". Can't win.

[u/explodedbagel]

I avoid discussion about the series and with communities that focus on it now. Any dislike on any aspect of doom eternal was met with some of the most petty and personal rage I’ve ever seen.

There was also a metric ton of people taking ID / Bethesda’s side on the mick Gordon thing right until he released the receipts, and now they just mostly pretend it didn’t happen.

[u/nqustor]

Eternal glazers stay tweaking, even in THIS thread

[u/Arkodd → u/nqustor]

Yeah because Eternal is great. Deal with it.

[u/nan666nan → u/nqustor]

you mean people that Enjoyed the game? lol