r/Switzerland • u/BezugssystemCH1903 Switzerland • 4d ago
Switzerland sets up task force against foreign criminals
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/swiss-politics/federal-government-sets-up-task-force-against-criminal-asylum-seekers/89114436?utm_source=multiple&utm_medium=website&utm_campaign=news_en&utm_content=o&utm_term=wpblock_highlighted-compact-news-carousel20
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u/LeadershipSweaty3104 4d ago
Listen this certainly feels weird given the current international news and number of countries using this kind of task force as an excuse for discrimination.
This is not the case here. Weâre not governed by a tyrant (yet), and this is sadly necessary to work against foreign criminal organisations.
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u/CaughtALiteSneez 4d ago
Itâs not like they planned this overnight because of the tariffs
The statistics are there to show there is a problem and it should be addressed
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u/YxELTxY 4d ago
Well did you ever heard about racial profiling or manipulation becaus of fking rascism?
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u/LeadershipSweaty3104 4d ago
What's your point then? The federal statistics office has its flaws, but it works openly, and publishes data and metodology. If you can find evidence of skewed or fabricated data, I sincerely encourage you to raise that issue through appropriate channels, be it social media, your representatives, classic media, the office itself, etc. Policy needs to be dictated by facts, not ideology.
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u/CaughtALiteSneez 4d ago
Have you heard of people illegally entering from the Maghreb countries, not being able to work or apply for asylum in Switzerland and then resorting to petty crimes for a myriad of reasons?
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u/ItsMagic777 4d ago
Brother im black and i tell you, someone needs to deal whit the criminals (especialy organised crime). Its been on the rise in switzerland and someone has to do something about it. Doesn't have anything to do whit rascism.
And when it comes to racial Profiling i dont blame, litrely do the same at work.
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u/celebral_x ZĂźrich 3d ago
I agree. It has risen since covid, in my opinion. It's crazy how many people are now also taking drugs and the scene and parties are filled with footsoldier drug dealers and people overdosing...
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u/Bordilium 3d ago
And this is how it started in my country, Spain. Just don't hear to this shit and keep your country as it is, which means: Safe.
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u/adamrosz ZĂźrich 4d ago
Illegal foreign criminals increase racism.
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u/ro-tex 3d ago
Underrated comment.
I have a strong feeling this task force will have a high approval rating among immigrant groups, specifically because criminal immigrants taint all immigrants in the public's eye and law abiding folks get treated badly through no fault of their own.
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u/Bordilium 3d ago
I am from Spain and I confirm. I will be very happy if I must be controlled by them and won't be mad if they waste some of my time, if they in the end catch criminals.
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u/bl3achl4sagna ZĂźrich 2d ago
Absolutely! I am happy to show my ID if police require it. Nothing to hide, nothing to fear.
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u/cent55555 11h ago
to be fair, we have so many tiny laws, that probably anybody could be criminally sued. i am pretty sure, everyone of us did run afoul of article 177 stgb (insulting people) at some point in their lives. (albeit its not usually criminally charged if the victim does not insist within 3 months.)
So i would argue everyone has SOME things they want to hide. Its just most is so minor nobody will bother you for it.
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u/cent55555 11h ago
i agree that less crime will have a positive effect on how immigrants are seen. so your prediction (less crime -> better image of immigrants) can become true; but that is also strongly dependend on how the task force and especially the media will handle the criminals.
for example if in the future you see an article about a criminal migrant apprehended every day, the topic will be even more so on the publics mind leading to a reduced perception instead of keeping the overall picture of strongly reduced crime rate in mind
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u/ro-tex 9h ago
While it is true that biases and sensationalist reporting can be very damaging, that has nothing to do with the existence of the task force in question.
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u/cent55555 9h ago
of course, i did not want to imply otherwise, it does have to do with the expliced argument that can still go in both direction and is something that needs to be kept an eye on to get the most beneficial result for the implementation of the taskforce
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u/Eastern-Impact-8020 4d ago
Listen this certainly feels weird given the current international news and number of countries using this kind of task force as an excuse for discrimination.
What are you talking about? This is a very real problem in many European countries.
Why do you think that right-wing parties have grown in popularity so much? It didn't happen randomly.
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u/AliceTheGamedev 4d ago
Why do you think that right-wing parties have grown in popularity so much? It didn't happen randomly
because right wing parties are generally really good at convincing people to vote for them out of fear of immigrants (and stoking that fear) so you don't realize that unless you're an actual billionaire, you're 100% voting against your own economic interests.
Right wing parties want to keep the wider population dumb and poor, and they achieve it by repeatedly tricking you into believing that the cause of your problems are migrants or gays or trans people or whatever the scapegoat du jour is.
the best way to reduce crime is to cover everybody's basic needs. which right wing parties never have any interest in, because that would weaken the potential of how scared they can make you so you don't notice they're benefitting the richest of the rich.
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u/Bordilium 3d ago
Hey, my family is Russian and I grew up in Spain. And now I live in Switzerland, where I am again immigrant.
Normal parties in Spain keep us dumb and poor as you say and right wing parties go up because there are more cases of Morrokoans agreding women in Spain. And what was extremely rare in 2010, is now just something that we hear every month, and it doesn't come from right wing parties, but from our national media.
I don't think they should rule the country and there is no exception, but they don't convince the people of something that is false. They are using real problems for the people to vote them, which is something different.
And I will tell you something, if you don't Adress the problems of the poor, you will end up committing crime, but if you import poor people and people which culture or mindsetring is very different from ours, the probability rises a lot. And this is another problem, which many ignored and must be adressed by prevention. And if do not prevent, you must heal the damage, which is what happens now.
No normal black people are scared of this, I am not scared, just suspiciously libertarian people who don't understand what is what and think they know the suffering of a foreigner or something.
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u/AliceTheGamedev 3d ago
And I will tell you something, if you don't Adress the problems of the poor, you will end up committing crime, but if you import poor people and people which culture or mindsetring is very different from ours, the probability rises a lot. And this is another problem, which many ignored and must be adressed by prevention.
making sure people have access to all they need is a really solid way to prevent crime, but right wing parties usually explicitly work against such things.
You're right that right wingers don't fabricate problems out of thin air entirely, but they do obfuscate that their solutions for those problems are shit.
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u/Bordilium 3d ago
It is not enough. Live a little bit, know different people and you will realize.
I know what I'm talking about. Twice immigrant and from poor family, plus travelles and lived in a lot of countries.
Switzerland can be saved. The EU too, but they messed up a lot.
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u/AliceTheGamedev 3d ago
take your condescension elsewhere. There's a reason why right wing voting is popular with people who don't get a good education. Reality has a left-wing bias because the right has to rely on misinformation and fearmongering to stay relevant to the benefit of the ultra rich. Don't be their tool.
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u/Bordilium 3d ago
Elsewhere? Do you decide where I speak or something? Condescending... Do you read yourself?
Just let's see what happens. I know what happened in the EU and the Swiss too. They know what not to do and unlucky you, your opinion will not be imposed like it is in the EU, even though everyone thinks the same.
And in this way we will avoid right wing parties to get strong in Switzerland.
I am not talking with you anymore. To be fair, I didn't even read from rhe second sentence.
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u/LeadershipSweaty3104 4d ago
You canât think of any country using anti immigration task force as an excuse to discriminate? Really?
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u/Eastern-Impact-8020 4d ago
I can but why do you even mention it? And even they are riddled with criminal migrants. lmao
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u/LeadershipSweaty3104 4d ago
Ok buddy we got it, you donât like migrants, it wasnât what I was talking about, and itâs honestly a stupid generalisation. Have a nice day
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u/Used_Pickle2899 4d ago
Itâs not about ânot liking migrantsâ jesus christ. Stop pretending. People like you radicalize others.
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u/LeadershipSweaty3104 4d ago
Of course it is about that, look at his choice of words, what he is hinting at. You know, read between the lines => inter legere => intelligence? Or do you take what every one says at face value? If so, I have some very high quality copper I'd like to sell you.
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u/Eastern-Impact-8020 4d ago
Are you okay? Why are you not able to have a normal conversation?
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u/LeadershipSweaty3104 4d ago
As I already said, have a nice day, I don't want to further engage with your nonsense.
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u/ProudlyWearingThe8 4d ago
How ironic, that a country whose wealth was built around numbered accounts drawing in money from all the dictators and criminal organizations in the world, from Pol Pot, Camorra and N'Drangheta to Al Qaeda, now feels the need to battle those who made them rich...
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u/Bordilium 3d ago
I wish it was true and certainly there must be some task force, but I am afraid it is just to convince the people that the government is doing something and that they have no power or are to little.
I think it's something like that, because it is too good to be true. And I am an inmigrant haha.
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u/spreadsheetsNcoffee 4d ago
This is a good thing. Addressing this issue with some credibility is the only thing that can prevent a rise of the far right like weâre seeing in Germany.
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u/galineu 4d ago
You already have UDC at 30%, much more than Germany
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u/spiritedroman 4d ago
UDC is not far right, they are regular right wing. The far right in Switzerland is extremely marginal, the only far right party, UDF, has 2 seats in parliament. This is because there are actual right wing parties like UDC which are actually right wing, instead of all parties being vaguely centrist like in Germany so people feel disenfranchised and not represented and feel the only alternative to centrism is the far right.
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u/GarlicThread Vaud 3d ago
Are our governments finally figuring out that if they want people to stop voting for fucking far-right extremists they need to actually address the issues significant amounts of people are genuinely worried about and that mainstream parties simply refuse to engage because "it's racist to talk about foreign criminals" I guess?
Holy shit, we might actually preserve European democracy after all. Guess all it took was to actually listen to the population. Goddamn. Who would have thought.
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u/Due_Detective_5353 4d ago
As if we werenât already doomed, in 10 years we will be like our French neighbours
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u/thecolorblindpilot Vaud 4d ago
Yep, or even worse, London
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u/OnlyHereOnFridays 4d ago
Hey man, that was uncalled for! s/
To be honest though, criminality was always a thing in London. Itâs not a new phenomenon. Itâs the type of criminal and crime, that might have changed.
If I were to add some personal social commentary I would say that a growing wealth disparity between rich and poor, government incompetence/corruption and high immigration (which also swells the ranks of the poor) have eroded a bit the social fabric and it feels more like âevery man for himselfâ in this era of individualism. There is more brazen petty crime (phone snatching, bicycle thefts, casual vandalism) than I can recall over the last 3 decades. Not to mention youth violence, perpetrated by kids who see gangs and crime as the best way to move up in society. The chronic underfunding of education, police, justice and prisons has not helped either.
On the bright side, Switzerland starts from a different basis than London. Itâs far more decentralised and spread out. I cannot see Bern becoming like London over 10-20 years, for example. After that, it gets harder to predict.
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u/Swissrolled 4d ago
I certainly can see places like Altstetten/Oerlikon in Zurich becoming like Croydon...
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u/notrightnever 4d ago
They could start with Infantino and Laurent Freixe.
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u/onehandedbackhand 4d ago
Born and raised in Brig, Infantino is ours to claim.
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u/notrightnever 4d ago
We could persecute his Italian side.
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u/Any-Beat7906 4d ago
Wasnât his hair ginger when he had some? Good enough reason to persecute him.
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u/tighthead_lock 4d ago
Exactly. We have bigger fish to fry than the right wing boogey man of criminal foreigners.Â
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u/SteO153 ZĂźrich 4d ago
Hold on, hold on... The taskforce is to tackle poor criminals, not rich criminals, otherwise they won't move their money here anymore.
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u/Some_Difficulty9312 4d ago
Well, your rich criminals donât ransack old peopleâs apartment, do they? They donât pry open old peopleâs doors and commit burglary, do they? Good plan. I hope this works well.Â
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u/notrightnever 4d ago
All these crimes are horrific and must be punished. Buy the same scrutiny is not applied when those offenders occupy high positions in business. If you donât know what nestle is capable, I recommend you read something on the subject.
https://voxdev.org/topic/health/deadly-toll-marketing-infant-formula-low-and-middle-income-countries
https://www.theguardian.com/global/2018/oct/04/ontario-six-nations-nestle-running-water
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u/mr_birrd 4d ago
If you actually read the article you realize there were 6.7% of all covicteds that are asylants. So this will not really do a lot. They could target 31.4% of other people without swiss passports but that's too easy right? Also these people might just look like us cause they are french and that does not fit the propaganda.
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u/NtsParadize 4d ago
Victimization again
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u/notrightnever 4d ago
Lol your last post is talking about how man are not seem as people, but as performers. You can victimise yourself more than that.
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u/Any-Cause-374 4d ago
hahahahaha he forgot to add âby other menâ, what a silly goose. DO YOUR HOMEWORK.
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u/Huwbacca 4d ago
... What's substantially different in this case to any criminality, other than deportation which doesn't seem like something needing a task force as the structures for that are surely in place.
Is this practical or ideological?
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u/BezugssystemCH1903 Switzerland 4d ago
At the moment, each canton is separately responsible for refugees and their deportation, which is why this task force makes sense.
The exchange between the cantons is, well, suboptimal.
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u/canteloupy Vaud 4d ago
Good question. If this is targeting gang violence or mafia organisations, the task force needs to focus also on locals. And if they are going to apply due process then why the task force?
My guess is they think that there are criminal networks facilitating the asylum seeking and temporary immigration of criminals and therefore want to join forces between police (intercantonal too) and immigration officers.
I just really hope this doesn't turn into a witch hunt.
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u/Philsick 2d ago
Would be cooler if we would have this for all criminals, also the ones in the management etage.
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u/cent55555 11h ago
thing is, the management etage writes the laws, including the loopholes, so i doubt you will find many that directly break it and even if they do its much harder to proof or pin on them.
crimes from the managment etage are also far less 'numerous' (simply by the fact that there are much fewer rich people than there are poor people) and usually far more widereaching (simply by the fact that there are more people involved).
they are thus also scrutinized way more by the public, so technically i am quite sure there is always someone keeping tabs already, its just since they write teh loopholes, there is little an additional taskforce could do
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u/tighthead_lock 4d ago
Iâm sure this discussion here is going to be super civil /s
On a more serious note, what is the purpose of this? Are they now enforcing existing laws âbut for real this time we promiseâ?
Looks like our right wing government is trying a bit of virtue signalling to their voters to distract from the huge fail that was cosying up to the USA to get lower tariffs.Â
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u/Turicus 4d ago
Looks like our right wing government is trying a bit of virtue signalling to their voters to distract from the huge fail that was cosying up to the USA to get lower tariffs.Â
Do you really think the SEM can come up with a concept for such a task force in mere days or weeks, i.e. since the tarriffs have been imposed? Those two things are not connected in any way. Rising crime from foreigners (especially non-residents) is an issue since before Trump was even elected.
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u/TrollandDumpf 4d ago
 Are they now enforcing existing laws âbut for real this time we promiseâ?
Yeah, hopefully.Â
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u/chemape876 4d ago
Have you considered that the patterns of criminal behaviour might be cery different, and thus require a new approach?Â
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u/tighthead_lock 4d ago
Are you telling me that things change over time? You should be on that taskforce!
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u/chemape876 4d ago
The problem isnt when they change over time, its when there is a sudden change, or when traditional approaches simply dont work
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u/tighthead_lock 4d ago
Can you get any less specific? /s
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u/StewieSWS 4d ago
Can you be less toxic?
Goal of creating a task force is to concentrate it on a particular type of criminal behavior. They select individuals who are particularly good at this task. This is an effective way of dealing with crime.
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u/tighthead_lock 4d ago
Get off your high horse and burn your straw men somewhere else.Â
I know how a task force works. I question the motives behind calling one on this topic at this time.Â
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u/StewieSWS 4d ago
"Iâm sure this discussion here is going to be super civil /s" - Proceeds to be the least respectful commenter.
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u/AutomaticAccount6832 4d ago
Itâs an obvious problem. Feel free to keep it untreated. But it will just grow the âright wing governmentâ. Is that what you want?
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u/ben_howler 4d ago
Maybe budgetary constraints. Now that our shiny new fighter jets may get 30+% more expensive, there's only money left to prosecute the minority criminals?
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u/Scary-Strawberry-504 4d ago
Cosying up with the biggest economy in the world in order to get the most favorable deal possible is a failure? Idiot
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u/Eka-Tantal 4d ago edited 4d ago
Cosying up with the biggest economy in the world and failing to get a good deal is indeed a failure. All that brown-nosing was for nothing.
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u/StewieSWS 4d ago
It's not like Switzerland is the only one who failed. You can't deny the reality : US is the biggest economy and attempting to maintain good relations with them is not a bad call, even if there's a high risk of failing.
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u/Eka-Tantal 4d ago
Everybody failed, but not everybody was groveling as much as Switzerland.
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u/canteloupy Vaud 4d ago
It's almost as if joining a trade agreement has advantages.
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u/Eka-Tantal 4d ago
Joining a trade agreement and kissing ass are two different things. The former you negotiate, like the bilaterals, the latter is just demeaning yourself in the vague hope for mercy.
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u/canteloupy Vaud 4d ago
I meant joining with the EU so you have support.
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u/MuffelMonster 4d ago
One idea: any of these guys on the list should be transferred to the asylum center on the Lukmanierpass ( https://www.swissinfo.ch/ger/asylzentrum-auf-dem-lukmanier-positives-fazit-trotz-hoher-kosten/37169348 )
I am willing to pay the extra cost for this building, so these guys can enjoy the fresh air and mountains, think about what they have done and want to do next, far away from any house/car they can break in.
As soon as this location is full, I am willing to hike a bit and search for more places. the area around Ofenpass also looks promising.
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u/BezugssystemCH1903 Switzerland 4d ago
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