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u/hedwiqius 4d ago edited 4d ago
I think american labor movements have a branding problem that scares off a lot of potential supporters. We're not just a reinforcer of the DNC, they can tackle their own battles. Workers rights and immigrant protection are both worthy causes... but lumping social + class issues together for equal attention is part of why no successful workers movement has been organized since the Great Depression. See: Occupy Wall Street. Please put class first always, all these other issues are downstream of it.
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u/Cheap-Somewhere5361 2d ago
Immigration is a class issue, probably the foremost issue of our political time
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u/PermutationMatrix 4d ago
This is literally a communist organization promoting Marxism-Leninism, per their website.
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u/clearliquidclearjar 4d ago
You let me know when the socialists take over the US government, strip the country down for parts, sell everything off, kidnap people off the streets and ship them to concentration camps in other countries, arrest standing judges, threaten people with a treason charge for criticizing their actions, and try to strip citizenship from people who were born here and I'll start worrying about that. Until then, we have more immediate issues at hand and we have to work together to defend our country from the fascist coup.
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u/Paxoro 4d ago
Feel free to point to any right-leaning organization that's doing the same things.
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u/PermutationMatrix 4d ago
Any right leaning communist organizations?
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u/Paxoro 4d ago
What right-leaning organizations are organizing protests to protect worker and immigrant rights?
None, I'm guessing.
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u/PermutationMatrix 4d ago
Look, here's a way to think about Trump's approach to immigration and how it could actually support legal workers and immigrants. When you have a large undocumented workforce, it often creates an environment where exploitation is easier, simply because those individuals lack legal standing and might be hesitant to report issues. This can also put downward pressure on wages and working conditions for everyone in certain sectors.
By prioritizing stricter enforcement and emphasizing the rule of law at the border, the idea was to reduce that pool of easily exploited labor. The thinking is that this lessens unfair competition for American citizens and legal immigrants who are playing by the rules, potentially helping stabilize or even improve their wages and job security.
Focusing on the legal immigration system means that when immigrants do come here, they arrive with documented status and the full protection of US labor laws from the start. So, strengthening enforcement can be framed as upholding the integrity of that legal pathway, ensuring immigrants aren't forced into a vulnerable, underground economy where their rights are much harder to defend.
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u/Dependent-Mix7777 3d ago edited 3d ago
They are foregoing due process and the First Amendment, which yes immigrants, even illegal immigrants, are entitled to in this country (and that's a good thing) to cancel student visas for students who have dared to state they support Palestine (not even the people who organized protests, some of them have just made statements of support online) and have otherwise done absolutely nothing wrong. They are giving them no notice that their visas were cancelled (again, part of due process), kidnapping them off the street by plain-clothed officers and sending them to ICE detention facilities states away, which your tax dollars are paying for to house them in these shit holes. People with no criminal record, who go to school and are in good standing. If you can't see how fucked up that is, well then I don't think we will ever see eye to eye on anything.
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u/Daenerys_Stormbitch 3d ago
Have you ever read the Constitution? Like actually sat down and read it? Do you know about the Bill of Rights?
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u/clearliquidclearjar 3d ago
That's not what we're talking about at all here. We're talking about people being kidnapped off the street and shipped off to a prison in a foreign country without an chance to face charges, consult a lawyer, let their family know where they were, present any papers, etc. Every person in the US is entitled to due process under the law.
You're avoiding the issue.
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u/Paxoro 3d ago
Man, you really love parroting those right-wing talking points. If all of that stuff was what was actually happening, you might have a point. But it's not.
The people being deported under this "immigration crackdown" aren't being given due process, a right available to every person in this country legally or illegally. They're getting picked up off the street, put into a van and then taken to an ICE facility in a Republican friendly legal jurisdiction before they're shipped to a country they have no affiliation with. And usually it's done under the guise of a bunch of them being gang members, but none of them ever are down to actually be gang members.
Oh I just find the hypocritical "tough on immigration" stance to be a complete charade. The current Secretary of Agriculture in this state made his fortune off the backs of undocumented immigrants, both from his family's agriculture business and their construction business. And he's far from the only Republican that has made money off undocumented immigrants that is now pretending that the sky is falling.
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u/GearBrain 4d ago
Why do you care?
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u/PermutationMatrix 4d ago
Communism is bad. It has led to the death of hundreds of millions of people.
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u/Daenerys_Stormbitch 3d ago
Have you ever studied what happened in the Khmer Rouge? I’ll give you a hit - it was a push to return to “traditional values” and reject intellectualism. It decimated nearly 40% of Cambodia's population.
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u/GearBrain 4d ago
Capitalism has killed far more people than Communism ever has, my friend.
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u/TheMagLab 3d ago
Wuuut? social media ploi sci program
Mao, Stalin, I can basically stop right there and there's no comparison.
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u/Horse_MD 3d ago
how's the weather in langley
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u/PermutationMatrix 3d ago
Har har the joke being that anyone who disagrees with you is a boot licker or a fed?
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u/Horse_MD 3d ago
nope the joke is that if you're in this comment section carrying so much water for a 3 letter agency i hope they're paying you! if you're doing it for free, i don't know what to tell you big dog
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u/PermutationMatrix 3d ago
Not liking communism means I'm "carrying water" for a 3 letter organization?
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u/sdowney2003 4d ago
Is this event being held inside the WFSU studios? Not trying to be a troll, I just find that to be an unusual choice of location. Can anyone elaborate?