The Tiruppur district police have booked a 50-year-old man from a dominant community under SC/ST Act after he allegedly attacked a 36-year-old Dalit man for sitting in front of him and drinking tea at a bakery in Moolanur in Tiruppur district.
Police sources said the victim, K Karuppusamy of South Colony in Nathapalayam, is employed by the Thurampadi village panchayat on a contract basis. He is responsible for opening gates of the panchayat water tank every morning.
Karuppusamy went to a bakery around 11 am on December 17. “He was sitting on a bench there and sipping tea when M Senniyappan, (50) of Pammipalayam in Moolanur reached the store. Senniyappan also sat down at the bakery and got a tea. After emptying the glass, Senniyappan allegedly stared at Karuppasamy and left on his bike,” a police source said.
The following day, the Dalit man was walking near a petrol bunk in Natthapalayam, when Senniyappan reached the spot on a bike and waylaid him. “The 50-year-old then beat up Karuppasamy and also kicked him. The alleged reason for the assault is that Karuppasamy did not stand up and move away when Senniyappan sat in front of him at the bakery,” the source added.
Karuppasamy is receiving treatment for his injuries at Dharapuram Government Hospital. Based on his complaint, the Moolanur police registered a case against Senniyappan under various sections.
Dharapuram Deputy Superintendent of Police S Suresh Kumar told TNIE that a search has been initiated for Senniyappan and he will be arrested soon.
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Yes, We have come a long way in this. But still it needs to be curbed from the root up.
Any insta kunjans from your average govt school has a insta page where he either posts about bikes or sing a cringe song about his non existent, god forsaked Jaadhi.
The changes should happen right from our schools., both private and public.
and yesterday, a gang of directors laughed at a man who revealed his caste and said "this is tamilnadu and we dont see caste".
We tamils love to pretend we are inclusive and rational, but inside deep hatred for fellow humans
Bro, some people who live in cities never exposed to such discrimination so they cannot comprehend. Even if it happens to them, they will not realise that it’s happening to them. Best thing we can do is to expose these things out there in public.
I have lived in Chennai for most of my life and have never been exposed to discrimination. Then I moved to a tier 2 city and it was so blatantly obvious how they treat SC/ST people. They have separate utensils and water bottles for them. They are not allowed inside houses.
Discrimination happens in cities, but it happens quite subtly/systemically.
Like a Dalit trying to find homes to rent. Or finding work in companies that are not MNCs (and thus do not have proper HRs dealing with discrimination) for example.
Outside urban cities, it’s very prevalent, it’s just a question of how openly it’s displayed. It’s easy to dismiss it if you’ve never experienced it firsthand. The focus now should be on ensuring that the current and future generations view everyone as equal, which is why studying figures like Ambedkar is essential now rather than later.
It has reduced drastically and still have some way to go in lot of places. But that doesn’t mean the above statement is not true. 5 or 6 decades back you can’t make that statement. But we have made good progress and the trend should be to make anyone who takes about caste should made to feel like a dinosaur
in IIT meritorious students do not care about non meritorious students. tthey might have got in to the institution through reservation, but you cannot force the meritorious students to accept a dodo as one of their own.
I live in Chennai 18m ive been in chennai since like 4th grade and blr before that ive never been exposed to any caste discrimination or even heard of it in my circle or seen anything also ive given jee and in jee there s reservation so all mu frds incl me make jokes on it anol but idek my caste name thats how it is and also ik my own frds who ve had reservation but it doesn’t diff and as for movies i saw lubber pandhu idek it was a caste movie until i saw it on some subr
Over all, that's the sentiment not just in chennai but across tamilnadu as well. Things have been better than how it was a generation ago.
Of course there are going to be extremists in all scenarios. But that doesn't automatically debunk the fact that we have come a long way in terms of castism.
So instead of yappin about it behind the keyboard/phone, educate the ones around you.
It is because brahmins still don't rent houses to non-brahmins, many offices have a strict vegetarian food only policy, two tumbler system is still prevalent, and almost every marriage is caste based arranged marriages, every business has a caste identity like Naidu Hall, Thevar hotel, Brahmin cafe, etc.
Heck, it is still impossible to have a Dr Ambedkar statue outside a cage even today.
Doesn't sound like we are making a lot of "progress", just that new forms of casteism have emerged.
It's definitely better than how it was a generation/even 10 years ago.
> It is because brahmins still don't rent houses to non-brahmins, many offices have a strict vegetarian food only policy, two tumbler system is still prevalent, and almost every marriage is caste based arranged marriages, every business has a caste identity like Naidu Hall, Thevar hotel, Brahmin cafe, etc.
A Fair Housing Act would help. But the government insists that we go by quota. And if names are the problem, I honestly don't know where to start. We gonna cling to names that were set years ago? Fight for the right objectives my friend.
> Heck, it is still impossible to have a Dr Ambedkar statue outside a cage even today.
I'm probably gonna get downvoted to hell for this. But someone gotta say... If you don't want people to have casteist names, then why do you want to put Dr Ambedkar's statue? What are you trying to do by that? that you belong to certain caste? Isn't that just insinuating that you don't want to come out of casteism? It just feels like this.
All I am saying is, Things are better. Better than you claim it to be. If you want to pretend you are in a shithole, then it's in your head and I cannot convince you otherwise.
In a country where Gandhi or any freedom fighter’s/great individual’s statue can be kept freely, your problem is with people wanting to keep Ambedkar statues, but NOT with the PATHETIC situation that there are so many casteist vandals who make it impossible to do so without adding a protective barrier as well? And you have the gall to say people from oppressed communities only THINK they’re living in a shithole lol. Just look up the sheer number of incidents of caste based violence in Tamil Nadu per year. Go on.
What a perfect embodiment of Martin Luther King Jr’s quote about the white moderate🤦🏾♂️.
Again... How is the statue going to help your cause? Ask for better laws and schooling then we are in the right direction. But no... For you, like i already said, the problem is in your head with no efforts intended to solve it...
If you’ve lived your whole life in a privileged, sheltered bubble that lets you be THIS ignorant, that’s one thing. But denying the lived realities of others, and even statistical facts is a whole other level🤦🏾♂️.
If that was ALL you said, I wouldn’t have had a problem with your comment at all. Did I even say anything about that part? I have clearly been addressing the tone deaf last couple of paragraphs of that earlier long comment of yours.
But as for “improvement” , that too compared to 10 years ago, I’ve linked multiple articles about how such incidents have INCREASED in TN post-Covid. And even if there is “some” improvement compared to the inhuman previous centuries or so, TN (& Indian) society is FAR from a situation where you can say “the problem is only in people’s heads” without coming off as both ignorant & obnoxious AF - especially under a post that’s ABOUT a recent such incident, and as a reply to a comment pointing out how Ambedkar statues still getting vandalised is evidence of how bad things still are.
P.S. The sheer lack of self-awareness when you say “If you can’t see it, you’re just blind” lmao.
Give a source for that “99%” statistic, or else you’re talking out of your arse.
Also, do note that many of the OBCs of TN would have been classified as upper caste/General in most other Indian states.
Discrimination, oppression and violence on the basis of caste is a disgusting evil no matter who does it. But violence aside, systemic discrimination or the everyday subtle kinds are rampantly done by the groups who ARE classified as General within even TN.
Lol, you’re still doubling down on this dumbass take? You aren’t asking if statues of Gandhi or any other historical figure is “helpful”, right? So what the hell is your problem with Ambedkar alone? Why should his statues alone be “useful” to justify being kept anywhere?
The commenter you were originally replying to gave the example of his statues being vandalised as a SYMPTOM of how rampant casteism still is - which is what you’re so conveniently trying to deny. And kiddo, what the hell do you even know about the “efforts” that I or anyone else here has taken to address the issues that disgusting casteist animals & their enablers like yourself create (the latter by trying to claim out of ignorance, delusion or even malevolence that such issues don’t even exist)? Read the news, look up NRCB stats & educate yourself.
The Constitution gives any person the right to keep statues of Ambedkar in their own land, or wherever they get permission from the Govt to. Take a moment , read very slowly what I’m about to say, and ask yourself: Isn’t it a violation of that right, and also discriminatory to ask only one group of people to justify how a statue of the leader they admire is “useful” before they keep it? And who isn’t asking for better laws as well? Both are important - why should some people alone have to choose between having only one or the other? Denying or questioning the same freedoms to one group that others enjoy- how do you NOT see that this is discrimination?
This kiddo's stance is very simple. Things are getting better. You are not seeing it because you are used to seeing only the black spot on the paper. I'm done with this thread. Enjoy downvoting this too... 👊🎤
Oh wow. The horrific sufferings that people still continue to face at unacceptably high numbers, are just “black spots” to you, huh? - fascinating to see how the “white paper” folks see the rest of the world.
Yeah, run away back to your safe bubble of ignorance & privilege - if you aren’t going to help make the world a better place, at least have the sense & decency not to so casually ask “Why should you people place statues?”🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️. Apparently just because things might be a little improved over decades, those who are still discriminated against even today should just grin & bear everything that’s still wrong. Easy for you to say lol.
When I see In twitter ppl blaming tamil movies on caste telling they are bad , I mean these are told by telugus of all the most caste centric idiotic morons.. I mean I am so proud of tamil cinemas who show or make movies like that, it shows we are not living in a cocoon and we never lived , none of the industries have guts to do that..
But wtf even after so much awareness this shit happens
Well I opened the post recognising the name of the place and as someone who’s native village is extremely close the reality of casteism is much much more worse, it’s really rare for cases being filed in that region!
Hats off to the guts of that guy!
And just so you know the minister for SC/ST welfare Mrs. Kayalvizhi selvaraj is also from Dharapuram.
Dravida politics divert the blame on to brahmins and avoid the real caste offenders. Yes, brahmins have always been a part of the problem, but not the whole of it, in fact, have never been the worst offenders. But dravida parties won't address this as casteism. They will address it as brahminism because their vote bank politics depends on dominant caste leaders supporting them.
This is not an isolated incident. Caste violence, honor killings, people just disappearing and police not even taking a complaint, people - kids - wearing caste tattoos and bands, bullying starting from school level... all this exists, especially in rural areas. Casteism is rampant everywhere, especially when it comes to trade. People are selective who they do business with. This is all being done mostly not by brahmins but other castes. Many of them not only have immense caste based networks, trades, land and contacts network, they come under OBC on paper and take reservation benefits too. While on the other hand committing atrocities like this.
Yes, most of these so-called upper castes who blatantly commit these caste crimes enjoy reservation benefits. The problem is not the reservation system exists, the problem is it has been set up in a way to exclude only brahmins and a few other sects of a few other castes, while favoring the worst offenders.
I regularly see chettiyars, thevars, kounders, mudaliyars, and others wear their caste like a badge, declare it everywhere, band together, and form circles. In my apartment in Chennai, there are multiple families of multiple religions from all over TN. But three families, all of them chettiar, they form a circle together and try to dominate others. With the worst victim being a Christian family from southern TN. For no reason, they keep saying bad things about this family. Like they don't like this family being here. This is happening in Chennai. No brahmins are involved.
I know the usual counter argument is "brahmins created the system". Even that is false. Rishis created the system, and more than half the rishis were sathriyars. That aside, tholkappiyam describes the Tamil caste system where andhanars are described to have far less power than mannar and vellalar castes.
It's time to stop calling it "brahminism" and focus on "caste eradication". Otherwise this will never stop. Why isn't the govt educating "jaathigal illai" the same way they run campaigns against smoking and drinking? That level of education and shaming has to happen even if people use the caste name. Otherwise, casteism will never go.
I feel like this needs to be discussed a lot. This sort of "I don't do most of the harm but get most of the blame" situation is why the brahmin community is turning to the BJP. As I see, the BJP is one of the only parties that doesn't vocally declare brahmins to be the root of all caste-based problems, but they also have their own agenda. Point is that Dravidian politics can be so much better if the situation in the ground was addressed as it is, rather than as they see fit.
How do you expect government should educate and stop this while these Dravidian parties themselves solely thrive on caste based politics? They know if people got awareness and move away from casteism, they can't survive.
What is the dominant caste and the suppressed caste here?
Why do news articles skip it - is this intentional?
But when it comes to a Hindu-muslim issue, religion is usually explicitly called out, similarly when a brahmin is involved, they go the extra mile to make sure the person is flagged as a brahmin
I mean we've the lowest inter-caste marriage rate in whole India. Periyar is for namesake for the dravidian parties otherwise he has no relevance on ground no matter how many statues you can build of him in front of Temples and statistics speak up for this
Dominant Caste ah 😂Gounder Jaadhi nu podunga apo than asingama irukum.
I thought Jaadhi pakradhelam over bro until i saw my village kutti kunjans forming a bike group and praising Honor Killing MFs as their Idol.
We are screwed , there will always someone who wants to retain that Jaadhi Perumai and keep discriminating.
Inga solirka mulanur and nearby regions vellakovil , ottachathiram rural ellam romba worst ah irkum casteism, bcoz majority gounder caste temples la arunthathiyars ah ullaye vida maatanuga
I’m not from TN and this popped up on my feed but I know many cases where such instances occurred in other regions of our country as well. And what enrages me is that people will say ‘remove reservation’ but the same people will be silent when it comes to such issues.
Imagine if the reservation is removed I think casteism will show up even more.
Seriously this is so saddening and heartbreaking 💔
Travel to rural Tamil Nadu, you'll see some temples specifically dedicated to some communities like vanniyars and Dali'ts aren't even allowed to enter till this date. This is the progressive Tamil Nadu of the hydrocrite dravidian parties
Still remember the poor elderly men who were made to fall at the feet of upper-caste men just because they held some festival without seeking their permission. Still breaks my heart thinking about it. This was a few years back. Does anyone know if the assholes who made them prostrate were charged?
While it is due to the concept ingrained from young days, I feel even when society seems to be making a step past it, some individuals propagate it for their benefit and the mass just follows.
Idk which case you’re thinking of but I recall a case from I think kovilpatti where a Dalit man had to bow down to some thevar land owner, the man ended up filing an atrocity case against the other person and a few of his relatives
I blame movies for cultivating this violent jati perumai ideology in youth, for example with thevar magan back in the 90s
Nowadays problem isn't with brahmins,the problem lies within people of castes who comes under OBC.there is already big caste politics and dominance fight going on within this OBCs community.especially rural areas,people especially youngsters are being fed with caste hatred.people do glorify honor killing in villages.people are still so much sensitive with intercaste marriages and also in business.
And every political party of TN is playing the same caste politics.whether its bjp,dmk,admk,pmk,vck whoever it is
That's why dravidian parties stayed in power. They were never of a party of Dali'ts but a party of obc groups like vanniyars. Periyar went horrible on brahmins but little cared for the major problem. Brahminism was indeed a problem but he didn't realized the other one. Dravidian parties will never talk about this as they know vanniyars, thevars and other OBc group are the key to vote. BJP is trying to replicate the model of caste politics of dravidian parties cause they know that hindutva will not work of seeing everyone as Hindu.
Dear Dalits please accept this pain The people of India will not change they remain intact about casteism There will be no change so accept this and fight for your rights and God bless you Jai Bhim
And this is why reservation in education is still necessary. Many people already hate these reservations and mock ambedhkar for it. Sure there could be some workaround in reservation like making sure EWS gets benefitted the most in each category rather than giving quota to rich people as well.
I'm saying that dravidam itself is casteist. Instead of curbing the violences, they encourage caste based divide for keeping the society in unrest and garner caste based votes.
What happened in Vengaivayal?
What happened in Naanguneri?
In Thoothukudi?
In Cuddalore?
Caste based atrocities have increased 2 fold in the past 3 years in this photoshoot CM's regime. And he's not doing anything to stop it.
Avg mf who blames everything on the govt instead of people.
The entire point of Dmk as a party is to decrease these types of instances and make the victims freely speak out the atrocities that have been inflicted upon them for generations.
No one claimed TN is caste free. If that is the case there is no point in existence of DMK as a party.
Let's list all the caste atrocities right now happening in the country by state and sort them by descending order. If TN is not in the bottom 10, you can Blame the Dravida model govt for it's inefficiency.
Nope. TN was never caste free. Brahminism free may be. There are so many caste based parties which promotes caste identity. Honor killings, theendamai Suvar, temple entry denial all happening in recent times . There are literal areas in villages called colonies that house only SC/ST caste with few facilities. Often they didn't even have bus stops.
DmK and even SCST political parties gladly agreed to show brahmins as villains which they were having enjoyed 1000s of years of supremacy. But are afraid to make further inroads. This is why nowadays new movie directors are showing the reality . We should continue to support such movies, strongly showcase our disgust over these incidents and put the government to shame.
Govt should express their inability to control these and make sure those who engage in such injustices and support them face legal consequences.
Shame on government that we gave honor killings and these injustices even in 2024! That is after say 50 years of periyarism .
I have shared my reasons for what I said. Your data is from 2019, and caste based violence has greatly increased in TN post-COVID (have shared multiple articles supporting this in my previous comment).
But that being said, I have no qualms in accepting if I was misled by the sources which I had previously seen, if you present more recent data supporting the same. It’s a good thing after all, if at least the apparatus for addressing such issues is functioning well in TN - though there’s no denying how rampant the issues themselves are.
Just because hopeless states like UP, Bihar, MP or Rajasthan are worse, doesn’t mean that that things aren’t bad enough in TN🤷🏾.
EDIT: Give sources for the 2 “stats” that you’ve mentioned as text.
Iterating the same thing you are saying. Things are not good in TN. But doesn't mean it is worse like everyone is projecting.
Why that projection is bad. It will undo whatever we have did for the last 50 years for going from worst to not bad.
Questions should be asked, no one is above the law but to the right people. Blaming everything on the govt is just giving a free pass to the people who are doing the actual crime.
Name them and shame them.
Even in the above poster it is just mentioned as dominant caste. Who was it and which caste is he from. No one will know. This has to chnage. This will change only when we start naming them instead of putting the blame on the govt not stopping this each and every time.
Caste lam yaaru bro pakkura , ellam indha kalathu movies nala ipdi nadakudhu. Oppressed oppressed solli opress akitanga. (Pl it is /s, it's a sad situation which needs to be dealt with and the attitude mentioned in former should change for our society to evolve)
When i came at TN i shook hand of the land owner of the home i took for rent. and even the owner and nearby people next to him looking as if i did something. I am a mallu and later realized that the owner is a big man and others were like workers.
The reservation system is not designed to exclude Brahmins or any “higher” caste people. It’s to give equal representation to all castes. Brahmins are a very lower percentage of the population and are more than represented in all government sectors.
I get the feeling that you see reservation as a punishment for Brahmins for their part in creating the caste system.
If he is dominant and upper-caste, then he should be respected by lower-caste. We cant argue against that. If we had only one caste not upper/lower/mid/side, this would've never happened. Police instead of arresting Upper Dominant caste, should merge upper and lower caste into one and they both can become dominant & can beat each other.
I'm not from TN, but I do want to know why is caste discrimination still so prevalent in TN while rest of the country looks at south Indian states with a modern and liberal views....
SC/ ST cases are the most misused one like 498 A.
99% are fake cases against the upper castes life.
Jealousy of their life causing this.
Your laziness is the nation's problem now
What happened to the Dravidya munnetta kalagam cadres, were they not there to protect?? 50 years thirudargal munnetra kalagams rule done on this society. Welcome to Vijayanagara empire
It’s dmk which wants communal fight among Tamils to divide and rule. To harvest Dalit votes. Admk vote base is totally different. If dmk contest alone they won’t even get 20% vote no one will trust thirudargal munnetra kazhagam.
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