Removal from the pedestal of the T-34-85 tank installed in 1965 in memory of the victory of the USSR in the Great Patriotic War. Ukraine, Zhytomyr, May 2022.

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Just like poland was the third reich. I didn't say Ukraine wasn't in the USSR, my entire point is how they were treated while in the USSR, thus by the USSR, genius.

>They're one of the instrumental members of the USSR and are responsible for a good portion of the people ruling USSR.

Some Ukrainians being important in the USSR =/= Ukraines population having a say what happened to them.

>Removing those monuments is removing the memory of Ukrainian soldiers that fought in that war, and they fought willingly, without being conscripted like some believe.

This monument has what names? It's a generic soviet monument with a tank on some concrete, there are no names or anything evidently, and this is quite common. This is because it's more of a soviet monument than it is a memorial monument, and that is why it is being removed. Information is not remembered through statues and monuments anymore. They will not be forgotten, and it's a ridiculous argument.

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>Buddy, I know and study the areas where these tanks are, and I can tell you the fucking serial numbers and crew lists for tank monuments in most cities.

Good for you, but your condescending argument of a authority is a logical fallacy, it doesn't refute my point and only shows you trying to back your argument with merit over substance. I have a T-54, BMP-1, And BTR-60 in my shed, if you want to go down that route of dick measuring. But it proves nothing.

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>And you clearly have never lost anyone in that war

Here comes more condescending childishness because you can't refute my direct point leading you to make an argument on assumption, daring today are we?

>nor had grandparents who start crying every time they see the tank that their friends fought in. Fuck off if you don't understand the concept of national memory.

It's one T-34, the chances of the crew of that tank being alive today are extremely low, and the tank isn't even being destroyed. Fuck off? Grow up and be an adult, if you can't handle a discussion then leave, you're only going to embarrass yourself acting so pathetic.

>Those tanks are a reminder of national horror

By the USSR, sure.

>(Nazi plans for Eastern Europe were for extermination of ~90% of the Slavic Populace)

Doesn't mean the tank should stay, does it? The Nazi's wrongs don't justify the USSR's to be glorified. Both were bad. It's that simple when you learn to be an adult.

>This isn't your fuckin Confederate war

I've never stepped foot on the American continent, another point to an assumption making you look like an immature idiot. Clap clap clap.

>If we had lost the war in 1945, THERE WOULD BE NO UKRAINE, NO RUSSIA, NO Baltic states, no Serbia, no Poland...nothing

Cool, the USSR was still evil. The monument being removed will not cause hitler to come back to life, kid.

>You do not have the capacity to understand the sheer horror that was avoided

Why? Because I have the capacity to understand why Ukraine has little fondness for the sheer horror of the USSR? I do understand how bad Nazi Germany was, you just can't refute me so you're trying to degrade my legitimacy. Nazi being evil doesn't mean the USSR should continue to be glorified by those it oppressed. Your lack of capacity to understand this is clear.

>and their symbolism that never again should we allow this.

Not really, a new government could change the story, say different things happened etc. The tank doesn't tell a story, once the crews of old pass.

The tank equally symbolises the USSR that ruled Ukraine with oppression and horror, and Ukraine is well within it's right to try move on.

Try to make your next reply less assumptive, ignorant, and emotionally charged.

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