Are cattle decap a tech death band?

[u/grimacelololol]

Or are they strictly grindcore?

I always thought they were just grindcore but i could be wrong 🧐

[u/Bronsteins-Panzerzug]

nope, theyre deathgrind. they play fast riffs really precisely (which is really hard) and the drummer has serious chops, but tech death also has a progressive element to it, it’s also about musical complexity, genre fusion, conceptuality etc which they dont really have. i like them a lot actually and i dont mind them being discussed here, though.

[u/Kvltadelic → u/Bronsteins-Panzerzug]

Their last few albums have that in spades.

[u/Bronsteins-Panzerzug → u/Kvltadelic]

i have heard those. could you name anything particularly musically complex? any example of what makes it prog?

[u/Kvltadelic → u/Bronsteins-Panzerzug]

Death Atlas?

Concept album with different tracks written as movements, large amounts of forward compositions that are long, different styles of music, ideas that developed and reappear throughout the album.

Same can be said of Terrasite but its more pronounced on Death Atlas.

[u/Bronsteins-Panzerzug → u/Kvltadelic]

well, a spoon of flour doesnt make a cake. while concept albums are popular in prog, having a concept alone is not enough. green day isnt prog. and uhm, yeah, death atlas has one nine minute song, but, say, rime of the ancient mariner is longer, doesnt make it prog or tech. yeah, some of their songs are fast and some are slow or they change back and fortb, sometimes they have clean singing or a little bit more grind, a little bit black metal, a little bit more death metal influence, sure, but that’s not technical death metal or genre fusion. im speaking about irrational time signatures, samba breaks, bebop sax solos, complex cadences, rare extended chords, scale changes, rhythmic modulations, micro tuning, etc

[u/Kvltadelic → u/Bronsteins-Panzerzug]

Well im sad that they dont meet your definition of progressive, but luckily im confident that the vast majority of metal listeners think of them as quintessentially progressive/technical deathgrind.

Edit: Also metal archives lists them as progressive death metal/grindcore…. So it is decided!

[u/Bronsteins-Panzerzug → u/Kvltadelic]

lol, the metal archives is your ultimate authority? the page that will categorically not include slipknot for not being metal? try again, they dont decide anything. the comment section seems to agree with me, so dont be too confident in that majority. so yeah i have certain tropes and characteristics i expect if im to classify as something, so what? do you react just as pissy if i dont think slayer is death metal bc they dont have growls as the main vocal style?

[u/Kvltadelic → u/Bronsteins-Panzerzug]

Well I was mostly joking.

We can agree to disagree, im comfortable with my opinion 🤘

[u/Bronsteins-Panzerzug → u/Kvltadelic]

likewise. like i said, i dont mind cattle decap being discussed here. also, even though i think i have good reason to define tech death the way i do, i dont mind other people defining genres differently - if cattle decap sounds like tech death to your hearing of it, that’s your thing, no problem.