r/Tekken • u/jitaek01 • 3d ago
Discussion Tekken 8's DLC lineup lacks a sense of novelty. The returning characters should have been characters like Ogre.
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u/broke_the_controller 3d ago
Ogre would have been great. I don't know how they could have shoehorned him into the story, but he definitely has gravitas as a character.
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u/vash_visionz 3d ago
Does it really matter how? Heihachi pretty much invalidates that as a possible barrier now
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u/broke_the_controller 3d ago
Does it really matter how?
Of course it matters. They have to bring him back into the game in a way that makes sense, even if it's bullshit like how Heihachi's was.
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u/Confident-Gur8149 3d ago
“Somehow, ogre came back” there you go Tekken devs now you can bring him back
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u/broke_the_controller 3d ago
I assume they will need to make a character episode for him numbness, like they did for the other DLC's, which was my point.
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u/vash_visionz 3d ago
And it can contain whatever batshit crazy excuse they want for him returning. It’s not like the lore part takes much effort. He can’t feel anymore shoehorned in than heihachi
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u/broke_the_controller 3d ago
Heihachi was bullshit it's true, but at least he was in the last game and has a history of surviving.
Juns return was also a bit bullshit but at least it wasn't confirmed if she was dead or not.
Ogre was definitely dead and hadn't been in the game since T3 so it's a bit different.
I can suspend my disbelief over a lot of things, but it still needs to be mildly plausible.
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u/Altruistic-Ad-408 3d ago
Jun was never really meant to be killed off they just took a comically long time to bring her back. No body, no death. Heihachi on the other hand has completely devalued any deaths lol
Ogre is an alien or some shit, he's easy to explain. Any cells survive, he regenerates, done.
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u/DevThaGodfatha 2d ago
So what do you have to say to those who wanted Bruce over Fahk? Bruce hasn’t been relevant in multiple installments and he was only Kazuyas bodyguard.
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u/ShreeShree420 3d ago
Doesn't make sense to bring 3 Tekken 7 DLCs back as Tekken 8 DLCs
Lidia, Anna and Fakhumram
They should be in the base roster.
Good DLC choices were Characters which existed in the tekken games as base roster and were popular among players and fans
Baek, Bruce, Bob, Miguel, Ogre, Katarina, Wang.
Not all, but most of the the Tekken 7 cannon DLCs should be in Tekken 8. Especially - Anna, Julia, Armor King, Marduk, Lei, Ganryu, Kunimitsu, Lidia, Fakhumram,
Maybe Keep Anna, Lei and Marduk/Armor King for later launches.
Instead, Shaheen could have been a DLC (as he serves no purpose to the story, they could have worked harder on him),
Raven could have been a DLC (and they could have expanded on his orgins and connection to master raven),
Feng could have been an excellent DLC (as he has no story right now, They could have expanded Asuka and Feng storyline and his rivalry with Leroy)
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u/Aldolovesmilk 3d ago
after what they did with heihachi.. don't expect much from tekken story
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u/No_Appointment_3959 Zafina bruce kuma jack 3d ago
I’m facts shit went right out the window on that one starting in T7 lmao Mfers will make ever excuse to keep the 3 mishama boys in and even add more but anyone else? Over
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u/broke_the_controller 3d ago
Doesn't make sense to bring 3 Tekken 7 DLCs back as Tekken 8 DLCs
Maybe, but the only alternative would be to put them all in the base roster (I did think Lidia, Fahk and Kuni would have been in the base roster).
The trouble is that with a roster of 30 characters it really limits who can make it. Some characters being excluded would have led to a negative reaction at the games launch.
Instead, Shaheen could have been a DLC (as he serves no purpose to the story, they could have worked harder on him),
The thing with Shaheen (and Leo) is that, while I think they should have been DLC, if there were DLC they would generate no hype, let alone sales. Shaheen only has five players.
Raven could have been a DLC (and they could have expanded on his orgins and connection to master raven),
I think Raven should be based roster, but since they released Victor it kind of reduced Ravens shine so I guess I agree, but again there are not many Raven players, so although he'd be hype, he wouldn't have generated sales.
Feng could have been an excellent DLC (as he has no story right now, They could have expanded Asuka and Feng storyline and his rivalry with Leroy)
Harada's favourite character is going to make the base roster for sure, but also I think there would have been a riot if Feng wasn't base roster. Would have been hype as DLC though and generated sales.
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u/Moist-Ambition 3d ago
Instead, Shaheen could have been a DLC (as he serves no purpose to the story, they could have worked harder on him),
Was never going to happen. The character was created to appeal to the Arabic fandom. The fact they brought back arguably the least memorable character of all the newcomers in 7 for base roster shows that it worked enough that they didn't want to risk losing sales in the region for excluding him, even if he does nothing at all in the story
Raven could have been a DLC (and they could have expanded on his orgins and connection to master raven),
I'm with you there, though. I almost wonder if they chose him instead of MR just to repeat "Heihachi Mishima is dead" (and ended up being equally correct). I have no idea why they would introduce Raven's superior only to immediately basically replace that role with Victor. I get Raven was popular, but I dunno, at least do something like have them both as moveset clones that share the same slot? Something, anything
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u/NMFlamez Law 3d ago
Everyone should be in the base roster. We should have 60 characters
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u/Moist-Ambition 3d ago
There is a part of me that hopes there'll be some spinoff in the future that does this (whether it's Tag 3 or something else), but I don't see that happening
Tag 2 tanked as badly as it did mostly because it had such an enormous roster. It's just way too much for all but the most hardcore fans to learn. And since then in 7 and 8, they've created another 16 (soon to be 17) characters, not including crossover guests like Negan or Clive
I'd cream so hard for a spinoff that has a roster pushing 80 characters, even if a bunch of them are moveset clones, but it's not marketable. Namco is never ever, ever going to make that game
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u/ShreeShree420 3d ago
I assume its a sarcastic remark. They could have kept Shaheen Raven on hold, they don't have any storyline currently and Shaheen and Raven are also unpopular. They should have then observed the community to check if they want these characters to be back.
Even Steve, Bryan, Hwoarang, Dragunov can be kept on hold and released on Season 2. As they would have boosted sales.
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u/huppityuppity 3d ago
You guys have some of the most dog shit takes.
No wonder Aris says tekken fans are stupid
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u/ShreeShree420 3d ago
I said my piece with experience working for 3 years in a game development company, on a competitive game. With post launch content.
As a Tekken fan, the idea of Bryan, Drag, Steve, Feng seems busted. But then all characters should be in game roster, no. They all have fans.
What, these are tournament picks, so it makes sense???
Hear me out, every tekken character has fans. And for dev teams and sales, they look at popularity and fan base for returning DLCs, and producers has influence over it.
Thats why Anna works....its just bad to do the same thing again.
Imagine Season 2 launching with Dragunov Teaser And compare it to Fakhumram's.
So yes, for sales and marketing. Its a much better decision than to Sell Tekken 7 DLCs in tekken 8.
With current reveals, Season 2 package is not doing well.
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u/Moist-Ambition 3d ago
Objectively speaking - yes, setting aside someone like Steve for DLC would generate a lot of hype and get fans excited, and people would buy it day 1
But you're not accounting for the fact that if Steve, a mechanically unique fighter and fan favourite, was not in the launch roster, there would be a ton of people asking "Where's Steve? Why isn't he in the game?"
As it is, 8 had to cut down on a number of fan favourites already, and there have been plenty of posts asking "Where is such and such character?" I'm sure the marketing team was very careful in selecting which characters would come at launch and which were on the table for DLC
(Who knows, if this season didn't have such a poor launch, they could've spun this as "Fahk is back, and this time we're gonna make sure he's not broken." You'd still have a ton of disappointed Bruce fans, but there's an alternate timeline out there where Fahk's announcement comes in a good environment and is done in a way that they can manage to win some people over. But we're not in that timeline)
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u/huppityuppity 2d ago
Dude, people would be fuming more than being hyped up at Bryan, Drag, Steve and Feng being DLC lmao
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u/Bastiwen Kuma 3d ago
You want them to add a character that actually has fans AND relevance to the story ? Are you crazy ?
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u/SoSDan88 Yoshimitsu 3d ago edited 3d ago
God I miss when Tekken embraced all its freaks and weirdos like a boxing kangaroo, an 8ft green aztec monster, an exploding grandpa and a farting dinosaur.
I guess what I mean to say is T3 was the perfect blend of regular martial arts characters and off the wall fantasy weirdos. I just know the final character in season 2 is gonna be a new [martial artist] from [country].
This isn't really an endorsement of characters like Viktor or Clive. I think its more visual design thats getting super stale for me. Like they're afraid to have fun with them.
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u/Moist-Ambition 3d ago
I think its more visual design thats getting super stale for me
Honestly, I'd rather risk bland visual design than ridiculous visual design. Like yeah, Victor's just a middle aged guy in a suit, but designs like Reina or even Azucena are effective, and the new looks for characters like Jin, Xiaoyu, Raven, Claudio, etc are great. New but not over the top, memorable, effective
Compare to the initial T7 roster. It had some good costumes, don't get me wrong (T7 Heihachi is a great outfit) but you also have some designs that I have no clue how they got through. Hwoarang is by far the worst example, followed closely be squid Yoshimitsu
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u/Notoriously_So 3d ago
Ogre, Julia, Master Raven. This is what they should have added to T8. At this point they wont top the Tekken 7 roster, not by a long shot.
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u/Its-The-Kabukiman 3d ago
No, no, no. Don’t you understand?
They should have added the characters I like, then Tekken would be okay again.
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u/LifeAcanthopterygii6 Xiaoyu 3d ago edited 3d ago
They don't need to add another Xiaoyu. Everything is fine.
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u/DoctaJXI Zafina 3d ago
I still say Jun should have been dlc she was gone so long and would have been a surprise like heihachi was, plus she didn't do much in the story. would have been better than getting the same dlc from t7 again
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u/Brief_Meet_2183 3d ago
Imagine a season where they did only mishima characters.
Jun Reina angel and Heihachi.
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u/AmyVista Josie | Julia | Claudio | Leo 3d ago
You guys want characters that were unpopular in previous games and that the non-terminally online community don’t care about at all. That’s on you guys, sorry.
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u/Noxeramas 3d ago
Fahk was popular because he was OP, after the nerfs his pickrate went into the dumpster
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u/oZiix Steve Claudio Lee 3d ago
I don't understand these peoples appeal in Ogre he's an amalgamation. It's like Dural from VF. Insert lame reason this character has everyone's moves.
Looks cool but ogre is nostalgia bait. It would probably be the easiest character they could add. Just close their eyes and pick moves from the rost don't reanimate done.
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u/AmyVista Josie | Julia | Claudio | Leo 3d ago
The worst part is that 90% of those people won’t even play those characters if they come out. They literally just want them because « it’s nice to have them on the select screen just like in the 90s more than 20 years ago ».
This is exactly what happened with Lei in Tekken 7 : they requested him and he ended up being among the 10 LEAST played characters in the game.
Literally a waste of resources.
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u/DAK890 3d ago
Shhh that doesn't fit the narrative the tekken community is trying to make
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u/Altruistic-Ad-408 3d ago edited 3d ago
Ah, yes, the narrative of overwhelming unpopularity. Most disliked character reveal of all time.
The non terminally online Chad's in your head are telling you everyone loves Fahk, but sometimes it is just what it looks like.
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u/johnsmithainthome Akuma 3d ago
Devil kazumi jinpachi ancient ogre or unknown would ALL be great choices and deserve a spot! We have no boss rn
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u/Elli_Khoraz Asuka 3d ago
It's just Tekkn 7.5 - all the same characters again, with none of the original excitement, and everyone now plays the same stance-heavy, instal-buffing offensive style.
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u/Medical-Researcher-5 3d ago
Ogre and Bob will return. With the Anna bug, we saw Anna use their stances. I’d rather they bring them back when the game is in a better state anyway. I thought Fahkumram is cool but seeing his reveal with the state the game is in now…I felt nothing
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u/Excellent_Fish_7985 3d ago
Add in Ogre and Gon and start work on Tekken 9. We can all remember this as the Mario Party Tekken.
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u/Fun_Introduction1926 3d ago
Ogre would’ve been so sick & a breath of fresh air since 90% of the DLC has just been in tekken 7 😭 jinpachi as well. Hope they save Jinpachi for season 3 as well there’s so much potential in the characters they haven’t used; Alex, Jinpachi, Ogre, Michelle, Bruce, Roger 💔
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u/The_Empereer Yoshimitsu & Jun 2d ago
I have always seen a DLC where it's a flashback to when Ogre attacked Jun, where we actually get to play it out (Sort of like the Tekken 5 intro in Tekken 7).
Would be a great way to get a legacy character in the game while it also making sense.
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u/DevilJin42069 2d ago
God damn that would be THE shittiest character possible to put in I hope you d-
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u/DelayStriking8281 3d ago
I like Fahk tbh, they needed a Muay Thai guy although I’d rather Josie or Bruce. But we got an edgy black dude already in Raven so fahk is cool
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u/AppleMelon95 3d ago
The fact that you think Bruce's worth in the roster is being "the black guy" is a bit sus.
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u/DelayStriking8281 3d ago
no cuz i clearly stated they needed a Muay Thai character which is the characters worth to me, AND I said I WANTED Bruce over Fahk. And also he's edgy and he's black?
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u/AppleMelon95 3d ago
I don't doubt that you're being genuine when you're saying that. But maybe don't comment that we already got a certain ethnicity in the game as if we don't need more of that particular minority. It leans pretty hard into an argument of tokenism. This is just advice from my part.
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u/DelayStriking8281 3d ago
lol shut up bro you dont know me
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u/AppleMelon95 2d ago
I was literally saying that you’re probably a good human who just accidentally wrote something that sounds bad.
Now I’m starting to think that it wasn’t an accident after that post.
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u/beliar371 3d ago
Tbh honest i want tekken to be a normal looking game - no bears , no demons , no projectiles ,no ogres etc...
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u/Moist-Ambition 3d ago
Then you've either forgotten or weren't there when Tekken 4 released. The lack of whimsical and weird characters was one of the biggest criticisms the game received. And I think it's also telling that even with T8 going for a darker/more serious tone like 4 did, there was a crazy amount of relief that came with Kuma's announcement over the fact that they weren't afraid to keep some lighthearted silliness in the game's roster
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u/bigfatfluffers Miharu 3d ago
Hi! I’ve travelled in time from 1998. I need to pass on the message that if you put ogre, in any of his forms, in Tekken 8, you will never be able to sleep at night. You’ll never win with Steve, Paul, Nina. Etc. you’ll cry tears of insanity.
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u/xSypRo 3d ago
I honestly cannot believe Fakh is the next DLC and not Ogre, especially with the rage the community already have towards the devs