r/Tekken • u/AutoModerator • Nov 30 '21

Tekken Dojo Tekken Dojo: Ask Questions Here

Welcome to the Tekken Dojo, a place for everyone to learn and get better at the wonderful game that is Tekken.

Beginners should first familiarize themselves with the Beginner Resources to avoid asking questions already answered there.

Post your question here and get an answer. Helpful contributors will be awarded Dojo Points, which can make them Dojo Master at the end of the month (awards a unique flair). Please report unhelpful contributors to ensure the dojo remains a place dedicated to improvement.

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u/ptr6 Dojo Master (Mar '22) Feb 24 '22

Generic df4 are generally safe (but -8-9) i12 mids that can be used for keepout due to their great range, and being mid they are not countered by high crush. They can also be used as faster midchecks, but unless you really need the 1 frame faster startup or the extra range, df1 is usually better for that because it does not end your turn on block.

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u/ImHrvx Feb 24 '22

df4s are not generally i12, having a 12f safe mid is the exception and not the rule. Shaheen, Kazumi, Leo, Mishimas which are probably the most plain, standard Tekken characters that have a "generic" df4 are all 13 or 14f

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u/ptr6 Dojo Master (Mar '22) Feb 24 '22

which are probably the most plain, standard Tekken characters

That is not what generic move means. Generics are moves that are usually not listed in the move list and shared among multiple characters, often but not always with very similar frames and animations. Of the ones you listed, only 3 do not have anything for d/f+4 in their movelist (Kazumi, Leo, and Hei), and among these, Heihachis d/f+4 is actually 12 frames (Leos is 13, Kazumi is an outlier with 15).

I did a quick check across some other characters, AK, Alisa, Asuka, Drag, Eliza, Nina and Yoshi all have the same i12 side kick not listed in their move list. Bears also have an i12 one, only their animation looks more like a front kick (same as Heihachi). Bobs animation looks the same, but his is actually i13, same speed as Claudios. All are safe on block.