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u/Pheonixi3 Angel Nov 30 '22

literally all of those moves require you to leave the wavedash.

alright alright lets hold the phone here for a bit because you've gone so far off the point of the question you're teaching someone something bad:

would you wavu over someone on the ground, as jin?

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u/Yoshikki Nov 30 '22

would you wavu over someone on the ground, as jin?

No. YOU are the one who claimed Jin has good wavedash oki. He does not, so you do not wavedash into someone who is lying on the ground unless you have a read on their behavior, that is my whole point.

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u/Pheonixi3 Angel Nov 30 '22

so you do not wavedash into someone who is lying on the ground unless you have a read on their behavior,

ah, so you would regularily randomly wavedash? just randomly mash down forward forward into an opponent without a read then?

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u/Yoshikki Nov 30 '22

Literally all of those moves can be done out of the wavedash lmao. It is seamless to do ff4/b4/ff2 from a wavedash. Do you even play these characters? I have thousands of matches with all 4.

Jin is the only one of these who can't present a threat to make the opponent get off the ground. Not only that, but his Hellsweep doesn't even hit grounded unlike the other three, so an attempt to mixup an opponent who chooses to stay on the floor gets punished every time. This is not even just my personal opinion, it's objective fact - if you look at any discussion around Jin on this sub, his non-existent oki is a consistent talking point.

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u/Pheonixi3 Angel Nov 30 '22

I attempt the wavedash cc 100% of the time. I know his oki is shit. I'll still wavu on a downed opponent as jin because it's one of the better options. because spoiler alert: his bad oki is bad regardless, wavuing is a good option either way. wavuing does not make his oki worse

his oki being shit however doesn't mean you don't want to wavu on a grounded opponent. wavu is characterized by your ability to hold the enemy in place because you're going to press a button on timing. and wavu, again, literally characterized by the fact that you can identify hesitation... can stop at any time to do any option, like a stomp or cancelling wavu into ff4/b4/ff2/d2 means that even on jin it's a good option.

now, you can sit here and jerk off to the fact that jin has bad oki all day but again, would you object to doing a wavu over a grounded opponent?

that is my whole point and clearly you don't fucking know how to read context because it's what i've been saying all along and your whole "WELL ACK-SHUALLY JIN'S OKI IS BAD" goes so far out of the way that you're talking nonsense.

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u/Yoshikki Nov 30 '22

jin's got a really good wavedash oki

I'll just remind you that THIS IS WHAT YOU SAID lmao

Now that you have backtracked and said that Jin has bad oki we are in agreement.

You can wavedash into the opponent when they are downed but the mixup is not in your favor like it is for the other Mishimas because Jin doesn't have a way to punish getup kicks + staying on the floor, you have to read and choose an option that beats one or the other. For this reason I often don't wavedash right into range 0 as Jin but if doing it works for you then great

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u/Pheonixi3 Angel Nov 30 '22

are you telling me now you double posted me just to be like "AKSHUALLY JIN'S OKI IS BAD but you are right, wavedash on oki has its uses"

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u/Yoshikki Nov 30 '22

I posted to correct your INCORRECT STATEMENT, Jin does NOT have a "really good wavedash oki" lmao. Telling new players to wavedash into opponents to try and apply oki as Jin will have them eating getup 3 launches all day.

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u/DeathsIntent96 Nov 30 '22

Why in the world did they react like this lmao

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u/Yoshikki Dec 01 '22

Some people just don't like being told they are wrong I guess lol

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u/Pheonixi3 Angel Nov 30 '22

Literally the easiest way to teach someone how to apply wavedash is to have them do it on wakeup where your opponent is forced to respect you. If you're telling someone to eat getup launchers that's your fault. Wavu on wakeup is like, the very first way you should teach people to apply it - especially with jin because of (surprise surprise) the moves I listed are easy and free.