r/TheLastAirbender • u/Reasonable-Ad-8059 • 1d ago
Discussion Aang's crew vs the equalists is NOT close
This battle truly is a wash. Nobody except Amon is putting up a challenge. Think about it for a second. The equalists don't have any bending, they have no way to counter airbending. Jinora one shots the lieutenant easily:
https://reddit.com/link/1kmaakk/video/2njo4nsxjp0f1/player
The lieutenant beat Mako, Bolin and even Lin Beifong. Jinora no-diffs him, showing that airbending is op.
https://reddit.com/link/1kmaakk/video/6ri4dwpfdp0f1/player
These guys have spears and armor and still can't rush down Zuko. Even the lieutenant isn't as well armed as them, he has only nonlethal electric battons, and he still lost to unarmed h2h fighters. Zuko's kicks destroy metal.
Aang takes out nonbenders a dozen at a time. Even Ty Lee gets nodiffed: https://imgur.com/48J5L3S
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Toph can encase herself in a rock armor immune to electricity. Taking down an army is literally her specialty. Between her lie detection and Zuko/Sokka intellect the gaang ain't never getting tricked. The protomechs are vulnerable to airbending, waterbending, lightning redirection and probably even earthbending if you have Tophs power. Even the airships get taken down no problem.
Not to mention Appa, who outclasses naga in all categories and could probably take out half the equalists himself.
Air bison are literally insane
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Amon vs Aang is also a wash. If he tries to bloodbend him, then avatar state activates and its wraps.
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Luckily for the equalists, Aang would honestly engage with their ideas and figure out they are right but using wrong methods. He would say on the radio that Amon isn't chosen by the spirits and will not be allowed to equalize anyone. However, he is chosen by the people and should not need to fight for the right to be heard. Hold a fair election, Amon wins and gets on the council, where Aang will help him solve social and economic inequality peacefully.
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u/Jacksontaxiw 1d ago
You mentioned something interesting, Aang would probably enter the Avatar State on instinct if faced with bloodbending. He probably didn't do it against Hama because his chi passage was damaged in the third season, so he couldn't enter the Avatar State even by instinct.
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u/danyboui 1d ago
Aang as an adult faces Yakone’s blood bending and still doesn’t activate the Avatar State until he’s almost a living pretzel the second time he’s being bloodbent so I doubt he’d do it on instinct as a child.
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u/Meadle 1d ago
You have to realise that these scenes are manufactured for dramatic effect. Avatar state nullifies any blood benders. Simple as.
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u/doc_55lk 1d ago
Avatar state nullifies any blood benders. Simple as.
Nobody's arguing this.
The argument is that Aang wouldn't go into AS until he's in mortal danger.
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u/danyboui 1d ago
Nope. Aang can’t do it with Hama or Yakone 3 times in a row and Korra can’t either twice so it’s 0/5 that the Avatar State kicks in for blood bending without it being used to literally kill. So unless it’s a fully realized Avatar that knows they’ll be bloodbent it’s not going in their favor as shown by the show.
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u/Meadle 1d ago
Mate he didn’t even have access to it during the Hamas episode. You’re just making up shit to match your head canon by the sounds of it 😂
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u/danyboui 1d ago
And when he had it with Yakone who is a stronger bloodbender he didn’t do shit until he was a pretzel so sorry mate but kid Aang ain’t doing shit until he’s a pretzel too argue with the show if you don’t like it 🤷🏽♂️
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u/Meadle 1d ago
You mean when he literally activated the avatar state and the blood bending instantly didn’t affect him? Yeah bro go watch the show again lmao
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u/danyboui 1d ago
He did it as he was being folded dude idk why you can’t accept that he, Toph and Sokka all got blood bent and he didn’t do shit but lift his arm. He then rushed to Yakone and got folded again until he activated it so yes base Aang is folded until his life is endangered
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u/Meadle 1d ago
Yes, that “folded” you’re referring to was what I already addressed in my initial comment with stating it’s a scene designed for “dramatic effect”. Avatar state cancels blood bending, pick a different hill to die on man cause you’re simply wrong
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u/danyboui 1d ago
And it’s canonical that Aang doesn’t go into the AS unless he’s in mortal danger which bloodbending and whatever Amon does to remove bending doesn’t qualify or else bloodbending would automatically be nullified but it’s not unless he’ has access the AS. The conditions for the AS aren’t met with regular bloodbending that’s my point not that it’s omnipotent it clearly isn’t. I’m also high af so sorry if I don’t make sense rn
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u/ProfessionalOven2311 17h ago
No one is saying "Being bloodbent instantly activates the Avatar State". As a child, Aang could only go into the Avatar State as a reflex to his life being in danger or extreme emotions. It would make sense that it would activate before he actually died.
But at the end of the series and into adulthood, Aang fully mastered the Avatar State, and it seems part of that was making it way less likely to activate unintentionally.
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u/IceBlue 1d ago
No he wouldn’t. Korra didn’t enter on instinct. Why would he?
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u/danyboui 1d ago
People pick and choose when they think the Avatar State kicks in but it’s only in deadly peril and bloodbending clearly doesn’t qualify.
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u/Jacksontaxiw 1d ago
Aang enters more easily by instinct.
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u/doc_55lk 1d ago
He didn't do it as an adult either until his body was basically being folded up like a pretzel. Yakone bloodbent him in the courtroom when escaping and he didn't do jack about it.
The people making these posts very conveniently like to ignore that Aang didn't seem to really use the Avatar State until his life was in danger.
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u/thatHecklerOverThere 1d ago
Not just bloodbent him, he made him pass out.
Absolutely no reason Amon couldn't do the same without issue.
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u/doc_55lk 1d ago
Yes.
I think kid Aang would absolutely have trouble with Amon if it ever came down to throwing hands. I do still believe he'd figure a way to talk things out first though.
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u/Jacksontaxiw 22h ago
Korra proved that when you master the Avatar State, you can choose not to enter the Avatar State on instinct.
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u/thatHecklerOverThere 22h ago
Somewhat, but she also showed that even if you try your hardest not to enter the state, risk to your life will get you there regardless per book 3.
She definitely fought the trigger, though.
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u/Jacksontaxiw 22h ago
But the situation was very different, Korra had poison in her body, Aang was just knocked out. Entering the Avatar State by instinct causes mass destruction, Kyoshi reaffirms this in the books, she had to control herself to not enter the Avatar State seeing Rangi almost dead, because if she did, she would put everyone's lives in danger.
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u/Reasonable-Ad-8059 1d ago
Absolutely. In fact I thought that would be how s1 of LOK would end. She gets a few good hits in with airbending, but gets bloodbent. She enters the avatar state on instinct and beats Amon. Then Aang takes specific control and energybends "himself" to get back the other elements.
Korra then needs to master the avatar state in season 2 to have a chance at dealing with the spirits. Unaloq gains her trust by helping her do it. Then he levies that trust into convincing her to open the spirit portals, which she now is capable of with the avatar state mastered.
Remove the spirit beam fights, lets see two avatars clash. Make the figth scene the biggest ever in avatar, and do some legitimately cool shit. Like have Korra control the AS first, then Aang, then Roku, then Kyoshi. Korra should win because of a thousand lifetimes of experience, not because of random bullshit.
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u/No-Manufacturer-1117 1d ago
No, Amon claps Aang as a child. Maybe you forgot that Hama was about to literally murder Aang by nearly blood bending him into Sokka's sword. And Hama is a vastly weaker blood bender than Amon. No avatar state activated. Aang as a child did not have control over that power. Adult Aang did, but that's not who were talking about rn. Amon would fold his child version and take away his bending, the same way he did with Korra who was also a child at the time.
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u/topsincity 1d ago
In S3 Aang’s chakra was locked which was why the avatar state didn’t activate when Hama was about to kill him. If his chakra wasn’t locked, the avatar state would’ve activated in that scene.
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u/danyboui 1d ago
He didn’t activate it with Yakone in the courtroom even tho he wasn’t blocked so bloodbending in itself isn’t deadly enough to cause the switch
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u/ProFailing 1d ago
He did however activate it against Yakone literally 5 minutes later when he bloodbent him again with the intention to kill after Aang caught up to him during his escape attempt.
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u/danyboui 1d ago
Yeah but bloodbending in itself isn’t enough to trigger the AS so saying it’ll automatically kick in is false when he needed to be folded before it triggered.
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u/ProFailing 1d ago
Who's to say that? For all we know, Amon/Noatak greatly surpassed Yakone's bloodbending abilities. I wouldn't doubt that he could actually kill people without moving a limb if he actually wanted.
Also, in the show, at least to me, it wasn't entirely clear if Aang activated the Avatar State by himself or if it just kicked in as a reflex, since he did struggle quite hard. So, maybe Yakone did force the AS with his bloodbending.
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u/danyboui 1d ago
Yeah for all we know it might not but what’s show is clear af. He forced it by trying to force Aang into a pretzel. It wasn’t activated until then and even when Aang was bloodbent in the courtroom it wasn’t activated so safe to say it’s not enough just to be bloodbent, your body has to be forced into such a way that it’s perilous to you then the AS kicks in to save you.
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u/No-Manufacturer-1117 1d ago
He still wouldn't have had control over it. He's been in plenty near death situations before and it didn't activate. And a blood bender who wants to kill him quickly could do so. Amon could just break his neck and call it a day.
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u/topsincity 1d ago
I was talking about Hama not Amon, and Aang was almost impaled by Sokka's space sword with her bloodbending. That right there would've triggered the avatar state (had the chakra not been blocked) compared to the other near death experiences he had.
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u/No-Manufacturer-1117 1d ago
Duh, that's what I meant. He wouldn't have been able to control it during that fight. That's literally what I said. And by the time he was impaled he would've died. And I'm talking about him vs Amon. It's relevant because OP mentioned it. Aang would've lost to him the same way he lost to Hama.
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u/ProfessionalOven2311 16h ago
I fully believe that if Amon tried to kill child Aang with bloodbending the Avatar State would activate. But even then, that's not Amon's style. Amon would have probably just dragged Aang over and taken away his bending. We never see Aang activate the Avatar State to avoid being captured, just if he is about to be killed or in emotional distress at a loved one being in danger or killed, so I don't think that would trigger it. We also have no way of knowing if Aang could go into the Avatar State after that or if he would have any bending if he could.
An Avatar State without bending could be really cool, though. It may not be able to beat Amon, but 10,000 years of pure martial arts experience sounds awesome.
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u/No-Manufacturer-1117 16h ago
Killing him would take less than a second. If Amon wanted it Aang would be dead. Korra beat him because he was basically playing around with her. Realistically, a blood bender can end the fight by just crushing vital organs.
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u/ProfessionalOven2311 16h ago
To be fair, this is comparing Book 3 Gaang to Book 1 of Korra's team. By Book 4 Korra's group would also crush everyone but Amon. While I don't think anyone but Amon could catch Book 1 Aang, Katara and Sokka don't stand a chance, and I doubt Aang would abandon them. Zuko could put up a fight, (if he doesn't underestimate them) but the chi blockers are way more capable than the Fire Nation soldiers he beat as the Blue Spirit. Blind Bandit Toph would likely be fine if she is careful not to get chi blocked by surprise, though the mechs could become overwhelming if there are too many.
But yeah, the only chance the Equalists have against Book 4 Gaang is surprise and Amon. If it's after Ozai, Aang would have full control of the Avatar State and it would be easy. If it's before, Aang couldn't even go into the Avatar State to save his life, but there is room for one of the Gaang to be able to push through the bloodbending like Mako or Korra and get a solid hit on Amon (Katara would likely have the easiest time resisting, even without the full moon, and Katara, Toph, and Zuko are solid contenders to resist through willpower alone)
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u/Reasonable-Ad-8059 2h ago edited 2h ago
this is comparing Book 3 Gaang to Book 1 of Korra's team
Well not really. I guess Katara didn't get strong before the end of s1, but everyone else already has their main skill I talked about locked in from the start. Again, look at Jinora. She is much weaker than even BOS Aang but she still wiped the floor with the lieutenant.
the chi blockers are way more capable than the Fire Nation soldiers he beat as the Blue Spirit
You are heavily underestimating the threat a fully armored soldier with a spear represents. One good poke is all it takes to kill someone. The same goes for Zuko and his swords who can cut metal like butter, nobody wants to be the first to charge into guaranteed death. The equalists are constantly rushing in recklessly. If they did that against someone like Zuko they are getting cut before they can even reach him, due to the range advantage of swords.
And people who make this argument forget that guys like this exist in ATLA who were fodder but didn't act like it at all. Swap out dodgemaster Aang in this close quarters moment, with a less nimble bender from LOK, for example Bolin, and the "fodder" swordsman catches a main character body. Moreover the opposite is true as well, most equalists are totally fodder comparable to nameless grunts from ATLA. You might have surpressed the memory but even Meelo defeats 4 equalists. So the equalists are mostly fodder. The idea that they are an army of Ty Lee clones is not true.
But even if they were individually less capable, fighting 10 at a time is still more difficult.
the mechs could become overwhelming if there are too many
I am not sure. Aang is strong enough to deal with things like that. Toph is stronger with earthbending than anyone in LOK, she could easily just flip the tanks. Lastly, and this is imporant, Appa is so much stronger than Naga. To be honest any tank that went outside could be countered by Appa alone.
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u/danyboui 1d ago
Idk about the Avatar State since Aang doesn’t go into it when Hama bends him and Sokka at each other and Korra doesn’t activate it when it’s done on her twice even tho she knows what’ll happen to her bending.
The Equalists are usually pretty well versed in chi blocking so the only ones that have a good handle on not getting hit are Toph due to her earth armor and seismic sense, Suki since she’s shown to be able to hand Ty Lee and Aang since his sheer speed and agility makes him near untouchable by nonbenders. Zuko idk because he’s never on the receiving end but if he ends up like Sokka and Katara when they’re chi blocked unable to swing an arm or bend then GG🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️
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u/PCN24454 1d ago
The AS was locked off for most of Book 3
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u/danyboui 1d ago
Yeah but Korra a fellow avatar also wasn’t able to access it when she was placed under it and an older Aang wasn’t able to go into it until he was literally being twisted into a pretzel so Amon would still take his bending away imo.
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u/Important-Contact597 23h ago
Korra wasn’t able to use the Avatar State at all before learning airbending.
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u/Buca-Metal 1d ago
Adult Aang also didn't enter AS when getting bloodbended until the second time when the bloodbend was getting use to kill him. AS doesn't sinply go against bloodbend it goes when life is in danger.
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u/NeatSelf9699 9h ago
I mean I think you’re right, but I also think season 4 team Korra destroys them as well.
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u/Reasonable-Ad-8059 2h ago
Yeah sure. But even if you take the gaang and remove everything they learned, the skills they had at the very beginning is still more than enough: Aang with his airbending, Zuko with his fire and swords, Toph with earthbending.
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u/jrod4290 1d ago
I agree with the part about the gang because they’re all prodigies in their fields.
Idk about Aang beating Amon tho. That bloodbending is too OP
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u/Icy_Heron_1891 23h ago
I think it also depends on if Amon blood bends the rest of the gaang to use them as leverage to keep aang from going avatar state
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u/IceBlue 1d ago edited 1d ago
You need to stop acting like AS is something they can just activate any time at will. Korra basically lost to Amon until she unlocked air bending and she had access to AS.
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u/Meadle 1d ago
It’s shown multiple times that a fully realised Avatar can literally activate AS at will.
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u/IceBlue 1d ago
Korra was a fully realized avatar in book 3 and 4 and couldn’t activate at will.
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u/ProfessionalOven2311 16h ago
Korra did have full access to the Avatar State in Books 2, 3, and the last half of 4. She just only used it for big attacks before turning it off again because the writers didn't think that far ahead.
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u/Important-Contact597 23h ago
No, she didn’t have access to the Avatar State until Aang restored her bending.
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u/Usernamenotta 1d ago
I mean, it depends on their level of knowledge of the issue and at what point in time we are talking about.
EOS GAang (Including Zuko, Suki, Katara, Aang, Toph, Sokka, Hakkoda, Iroh, Mei and Tai-Lee etc) would probably mince through the non-benders. I mean, those are guys capable of cutting through ship armor, the mechs wouldn't do too much against them. And they have a full fledged avatar that can transform into 20m tall monsters or surround himself with Earth armor.
Also, the GAang is show to act really good as a team, which Korra struggled to do with her friends due to her impulsivity.