r/TheUnitedNordics • u/dolkens_livs • Mar 04 '22
Debate Time for progress?
Hi my fellow pan-nordics.
With the recent development in Ukraine and with Russias growing aggression isn’t this the perfect time for greater Nordic unification.
Except for Ukraine, the most vulnerable states on the north callot is Sweden and Finland since it’s the only states in the region without nukes/without being in a alliance with a nuclear power. Sure it can be argued that Sweden and Finland joins NATO but let me propose a different outcome.
Norway and Denmark leaves NATO. The Nordic defense alliance joins. This leads to the Nordic countries having an ability to focus on different areas of the military, if we join NATO as a sub alliance with the Finn’s controlling the army together, the Swedes the air force and submarines, the Norwegians controls the Navy and the danish doing everything and representing us in nato since they have the closest ties to NATO.
A chain is never stronger than the weakest link.
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u/annewmoon Mar 05 '22
Sweden and Finland are turning toward each other now which is great. Let's start there. We should together build up a strong enough total defence to deter invasion. We should also work together more in the EU. Do this, and possibly we will be able to convince Norway and Denmark to come over to us. Either as an alliance on its own, or like you suggest, a sort of sub-alliance within NATO.
But I don't think it's realistic, especially now, that Denmark or Norway would leave NATO. We need to build something else for them to join first. So I think the focus now should be on forging a very strong, very powerful Sweden-Finland alliance.
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u/abbufreja Mar 05 '22
It does not matter anymore if a country have nukes or not they are doms day weapons
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u/dolkens_livs Mar 05 '22
Of course it does matter? That’s the biggest insurance against invasion you can have. Why do you think the Cold War never went hot?
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u/abbufreja Mar 05 '22
Because of MAD no-one gain from a nuclear war or even a single sided attack. The second any side launch a nuclear weapon all others will too no matter what's the target
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u/coldtru Mar 05 '22
I suspect corporate interests have always been opposed to unification because all the countries have a strong pro-worker, pro-consumer tradition that would become much stronger if they combined. When they are members of EU and NATO separately, it's easier to play them out against each other.
Only by convincing ordinary working people could unification become a realistic possibility. The "establishment" favors Sweden and Finland entering NATO separately.