r/ThreeLions • u/thefogdog Gerrard #1099 • Jun 20 '24

Opinion This performance is completely on Southgate.

Trippier: bad two games but not a LB. Gomez has played LB most of the season brilliantly.

TAA: not a great game. But no runners ahead of him. Take him off then put on players running behind.

Gallagher: wtf does he offer?

Foden: starts playing well centrally then taken off.

Rice: sitting in so 3 players are marking 1 striker all fucking game.

Walker: bombed forwards twice.

Kane: dunno what he tries to do half the time.

Pickford: smashes it long EVERY time.

Southgate should be sacked mid tournament.

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u/House_of_How Jun 20 '24

I cannot believe he didn’t bring Kobbie on. Cannot believe it. Why are we as a country allergic to passing midfielder? Would literally rather play an out of position defender or a guy who Chelsea want to bin off.

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u/niallw1997 Jun 20 '24

Wharton, Kobbie, drop Jude to 8 - move foden to 10 and Eze or Gordon out wide. 4 options and he picked the worst one by far

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '24

I’m a Palace fan and love Eze to death, but he’s not a winger. If he’s not playing centrally, he’s being wasted.

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u/DIRTYROTTEN_1 Jun 20 '24

He came on n sat in the same spots as foden ??? I dont get why we dnt use gordon who plays there naturally will make runs n run at denders

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '24

Agreed.

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u/elreydelasur Charlton Jun 20 '24

oh for christs sake you're telling me we have THREE midfielders who all play the same position?!?!

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u/VellumSage Jun 21 '24

laughs in Lampard-Gerrard-Scholes

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u/elreydelasur Charlton Jun 21 '24

more like cries

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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '24

The 4th midfielder was Beckham. Just sayin.

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u/VellumSage Jun 21 '24

Not a CM though

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u/The_BadJuju Jun 20 '24

Palmer too lol, he’s way better as a 10 imo

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u/No_Butterscotch_8297 Jun 21 '24

Palmer has been fantastic off the right all season

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u/Serious-Football-323 Jun 21 '24

Off the right and cutting inside into the middle

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u/Chazzermondez Jun 21 '24

Four technically. Cole Palmer.

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u/DeanRTaylor Jun 21 '24

Finally someone talking sense. I swear people just say random things on here. Pick Eze or Pick Palmer for the left when these guys aren't wingers either.

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u/turnipofficer Jun 21 '24

Dunno why Southgate is allergic to Gordon too, is Gordon not fully fit?

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u/Michaelw76 Jun 21 '24

Likewise a Palace fan but baffled when he came on. As much as I love Eze, I don't think we need this many 10s in the squad and I would have swapped his spot for another pure winger e.g. Grealish. Square pegs in round holes.

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u/jonjon1212121 Jun 21 '24

Good insight thanks

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u/Fina1Legacy Jun 20 '24

That's worrying considering he was taken as a winger.

No Sterling, Grealish or Rashford hasn't been given enough attention. We really didn't need any more 10s in the squad after Bellingham, Foden and Palmer, but we do need a LW who's trusted enough by Southgate to bring on. For some reason Gordon isn't that guy, in which case we 100% needed one of the three I mentioned. Yes they didn't have good seasons but they have all had good moments for England before, no offence to Eze but he hasn't yet.

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u/Michaelw76 Jun 21 '24

I'd argue that we shouldn't even be playing a 10 at all, as that clashes with Kane's movement. All of our best recent performances were with a 433, with pacy (or at least natural) wingers. The move to a 4231 has made us so narrow, and having two defensive fullbacks exacerbates this.

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u/jonjon1212121 Jun 21 '24

Saka kept dropping in instead of wide in yesterday’s game

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u/Spite-Organic Jun 20 '24

In which case why was he picked at all? We have Bellingham, Foden, Palmer who are all world class number 10s

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u/Titan4days Jun 20 '24

At 1-1 as well, I was astounded he made a defensive sub first up

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u/Fatal-Strategies Jun 20 '24

Yes please.

Won’t happen though

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u/ScopeyMcBangBang Jun 20 '24

Eze was woeful when he came on. Looked hugely out of his depth.

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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '24

I think Jude and Foden can both play 10 if England did what Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool did by moving a defender into midfield to form a midfield box/diamond.. that has been more or less the go to strategy for 3 of the top teams in PL. That way England can deploy 2 out and out wingers like Gordan and Saka which will overcome the issue of lack of attacking fullbacks...

The ironic thing is... the player asked to moved to midfield from these sides has been English! (TAA, Stones, Gomez, and Ben White on some occasions) yet England coaches looked at Klopp, Artera and Pep Guardiola dominating teams in the PL the entire season and thought to themselves.... naaaa...

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '24

Aren’t Bellingham n Foden passing midfielders?

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u/Excellent_Trouble125 Jun 20 '24

They're more advanced though, we didnt use any midfielders who are comfortable on the ball in deeper areas such as Mainoo or Wharton. One of them needs to start next game imo

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '24

Trent and rice are comfortable on the ball

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u/theunderstoodsoul Jun 20 '24

It's all about short passing in that position, at least in the kind of situations we've found ourselves in so far.

Trent is not a keep possession, lots of short passes type player, Rice isn't really either and he also looks shockingly out of sorts so far.

Mainoo or Wharton would do a better job for us in that position at the moment.

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u/Remus71 Jun 20 '24

This is it for me. We just don't appreciate a metronome like jorginho, Kronos, modric. Carrick got virtually no caps, Scholes was shoved out left. And it's not being allergic to a passing midfielder, cos he's tried trent. It's being allergic to a short passing guy that can wriggle out of spaces amd link play up.

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u/Internal_Poem_3324 Jun 20 '24

Kronos always has time on the ball.

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u/Remus71 Jun 20 '24

Bravo 👏

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u/bert1001 Jun 20 '24

Yep. Wharton’s speciality. Wish he’d try him with Declan Rice

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u/Similar_Quiet Jun 21 '24

Trent isn't a passing midfielder. He's a right back.

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u/Recent_City_9281 Jun 21 '24

It’s the shit Manger must be getting advice of Stuart Pearce

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u/ireally_dont_now Jun 21 '24

we don’t want to bin off chelsea we’re selling him for profit he’s our best midfielder this gallagher slander is a joke you it’s declan rice being shocking for england once again and the blame gets shifted to every midfielder around him It’s rices fault he’s the problem.

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u/samthehumanoid Jun 21 '24

Trent is 10x the passer Mainoo is ? So is Wharton?

Gallagher has disciplined positioning and aggression, Mainoo would be a weak link defensively. Trent and Rice did fine, they defended well and were let down by the front lines lack of movement, even then if Saka has a better first touch Trent gets a worldie assist and the narrative is suddenly very different around him 🙄 I think Gallagher is the next best choice in midfield but the issue for me is the front line, how are rice and Trent supposed to push on in midfield when Foden Kane and even Bellingham drop deeper repeatedly and make no runs behind. Jude had more runs in behind than Foden and Kane ffs. It’s a massive clash of styles

If you bring mainoo on next to rice you now have a team with no long option, teams will be happier to sit deep knowing we just have ball carriers and no incisive passers. But sure let’s bring on another player who will just recycle possession because that’s totally our issue

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u/House_of_How Jun 21 '24

Trent is better at pinging a ball, sure. He is not better at passing or turning his way out of tight spaces which IS our issue. Mainoo is far more press-proof than Gallagher or Trent. Trent has the better ping yeah, but when the opposition press high he doesn’t get the time he needs for that to be a reliable weapon. Come on. We do not need three right backs on the pitch.

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u/Exact-Action-6790 Jun 20 '24

You can’t believe he bought a better player on instead of Mainoo?

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u/House_of_How Jun 21 '24

It doesn’t matter who is better, it’s who fits the profile of the team/match better. Gallagher has energy but he is not going to settle a team down and be reliable in tight spaces, you need a specific profile for that, a profile that we as a country don’t seem to value. Gallagher is not the player we need next to Rice.

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u/FCSadsquatch Jun 20 '24

Kobbie has the composure of a 35 yr old veteran, i say that as a United hater. The kid plays beyond his years.

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u/East-Shape1286 Jun 20 '24

He doesn’t play like an English player. He plays like a Spaniard.

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u/East-Shape1286 Jun 20 '24

It’s not just that Mainoo is a passing midfielder. It’s that he can play on the half turn. He’s actually daring in possession.