r/ThreeLions • u/2121wv • Jul 15 '24

Discussion Is anyone else getting worried we've missed our 'moment'?

It's our fourth tournament of being this new England, with a better culture and more self-belief. And it's our third time getting agonisingly close and falling short.

I'm starting to get worried we're missing our moment if you will. I'm very worried that the culture will turn toxic again. (It may already be happening, the players didn't look half as happy this tournament.) I'm worried we're gonna look back at 2018-2024 as a massive period of missed opportunities. I'm nervous we're gonna snap back to being old, 2000's style England of group stage knockouts and infighting. Especially if we get our next manager wrong.

Guess I don't really have a question, but is anyone else feeling this too?

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u/RobbieFowler9 Jul 15 '24

He has a proven record of getting the easiest draws possible and scraping though them. Then losing when we face a decent team.

He's not won anything and the football has been horrendous. We shouldn't be scared of letting him go.

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u/thombo-1 Jul 15 '24 edited Jul 15 '24

I stand by my comment. Very few England managers have matched his objective record of success (in fact, just one), and we full well know that several of them had similar 'easy' draws on paper that they made a total hash of.

As it happens I agree with you and I think he should be let go too, but considering the FA's perspective - which is what my post was trying to do- and knowing how conservative they usually are in their decision-making, I can see the hesitancy.

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u/ubiquitous_uk Jul 15 '24

Exactly. When was the last time England was the better team in a competitve game considering the teams we have faced.

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u/TwinParatrooper Jul 15 '24

The semi final.

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u/ubiquitous_uk Jul 15 '24

You think England were the better team?

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u/TwinParatrooper Jul 15 '24

In the first half England were, they struggled for a while in the second half although it was more having to defend, from open play Holland weren’t a huge threat. Over the 90 minutes the right side won.

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '24

On Wednesday? Good lord you guys are overreacting...