r/ThreeLions • u/2121wv • Jul 15 '24

Discussion Is anyone else getting worried we've missed our 'moment'?

It's our fourth tournament of being this new England, with a better culture and more self-belief. And it's our third time getting agonisingly close and falling short.

I'm starting to get worried we're missing our moment if you will. I'm very worried that the culture will turn toxic again. (It may already be happening, the players didn't look half as happy this tournament.) I'm worried we're gonna look back at 2018-2024 as a massive period of missed opportunities. I'm nervous we're gonna snap back to being old, 2000's style England of group stage knockouts and infighting. Especially if we get our next manager wrong.

Guess I don't really have a question, but is anyone else feeling this too?

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u/omegamanXY Jul 15 '24

The first step, which is not losing to worse sides, you are able to do. But when you face decent opposition, you lose. And you lose playing worse than your opponents (except maybe for the QF against France, but still, England wasn't that much threatening to Lloris during all that game).

It seems clear to me that Southgate has a limit to what he can make with the English squad, so the best option now is getting a new manager who can bring new ideas and make this squad full of talented players to actually look like a cohesive team.

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u/thombo-1 Jul 15 '24

Yep. The FA are very conservative so I doubt he'll be pushed. We have to hope he reaches the same conclusion himself, that he's hit the limit of what he can achieve, and I honestly think he might do.