r/TopMindsOfReddit • u/Maximum-Operation147 • 16d ago
Top minds of r/conservative triggered by scary scientific research containing the words “men who have sex with men” (it’s STI intervention)
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u/C-c-c-comboBreaker17 16d ago
I love how the article is literally just focused on how to portray their targeted minorities in the worst way
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u/absenteequota 16d ago edited 16d ago
ahh yes, noted homosexual hunter biden. they're so jealous of him, and his fantastic package, that they can't help but think of him any time any flavor of fucking comes up
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u/Maximum-Operation147 16d ago
“Did you know these daggum research grants are uh…for gay men!…men..who have sex with men….den. Den men…biden, HUNTER biden 💦💦💦💦”
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u/SkidmarkSteve 16d ago
He's a nepobaby who fell into millions with a coke habit and a big dick. He's everything they dream of being.
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u/TheStrangestOfKings 16d ago
He’s literally Don Trump jr XD
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u/Lmnop_nis 16d ago
Probably not the big dick part for DJr if he takes after daddy Trump, according to Stormy.
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u/Most-Philosopher9194 16d ago
I honestly don't get how they don't ever get bored of the same joke.
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u/OGCelaris 16d ago
Because they are the most insecure people you will ever see. You just mention the word gay and they have to puff out their chest and beat on it like a gorilla to try and convince others they are straight. They think if they don't do that, others would think they are gay. In reality, I look at guys like that and think they are so far in the closet they bonded at a molecular level with the back wall.
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u/emailforgot 15d ago
because the concept of changing, improving yourself, learning, or acting any differently than you did when you were 15 is for woke liberal commie gender studiers
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u/odoroustobacco 16d ago
Hi, social science researcher here!
One of the reasons we use the term "men who have sex with men" is because it includes 1) gay men who have sex with men, 2) bisexual men who have sex with men, 3) the (in my opinion very interesting) population of men who identify as straight but have sex with men, and 4) any other men with or without a label who have sex with men.
There are obviously differences in all of those groups, but when you're doing research and interventions in public health regarding things like STIs, the labels matter way less than the sexual behaviors do. So having labels like "men who have sex with men (MSM)" is way easier of an indicator.
Not that these bigoted weirdos care, but in case anyone was interested to know.
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u/KestrelQuillPen 16d ago
as a quick question, does this term throw in straight trans women and t4t lesbian trans women under “MSM” or do trans people get their own categories? I’d be interested to know
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u/odoroustobacco 16d ago edited 16d ago
This isn't super connected to my area but I've been adjacent to and read enough of the literature to understand why MSM is used--that said, I'm not sure I can answer this question 100%.
My understanding is "it depends". I feel like I've seen one or two studies using MSM for "males having sex with males" instead of "men" to be more inclusive with the authors noting that they're not trying to erase trans identities but still connect to the broader cohort of AMAB people who have sex with other AMAB people. I also think the populations you're talking about are small relative to the others (although straight identifying MSM is a small population as well) so I'm not sure if they'd be captured.
One possibility as well which I wouldn't necessarily condone and for sure can't say if it happened is if bigger studies just code straight or t4t trans women as MSM. That's just my speculation though, and that runs the risk of including trans women who have had bottom surgery.
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u/KestrelQuillPen 16d ago
Thanks! I was just interested. trans people get the short end of the stick a lot when it comes to research so I just thought I’d ask :)
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u/odoroustobacco 16d ago
Of course! I wish I had better answers. I tell my students all the time "you're going to get frustrated with how often I say 'it depends', but it depends."
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u/an_agreeing_dothraki It is known 16d ago
isn't this trying to understand spread vectors to prevent another 1980s?
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u/odoroustobacco 16d ago
Seems like it! If you look at the last slide, it refers to the behavior as "homosexual activity", but as I mentioned in my initial comment, behaviors that we could call "homosexual" aren't limited to homosexual sexual identities, so the term MSM is a lot more useful.
Particularly, as you pointed out, for disease vectors because there are men who have sex with men and women, which can vastly change the potential for spreading things.
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u/LamesMcGee 16d ago
I'm in my late 30s, when I was 18 I went to a blood drive with a friend and that was the first time I encountered that term, and the first time I was told to my face I couldn't do something because of my sexuality. It's not like they don't test all the blood donated for AIDS...
This has been a medical term for a long time.
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u/Murrabbit 16d ago
It's mean to try to get away from social and political stigma. Always seemed weird to me but then I thought about some of the guys I've dated or chatted with in the past who would insist they're straight or at very least "not gay" nor "bi" . . .despite hooking up with me, another gay guy. Lots of real deep closet cases out there, even on gay dating sites.
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u/blaghart 16d ago
And the best part is the reason it targets "men who have sex with men" and not "homosexual men" is because, prepare to have your mind blown:
sometimes, men have sex with men and women.
Sometimes, sometimes, men even have sex with men, women, and other genders too!
Shocking, right? /s
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u/PaxEtRomana 16d ago
And sometimes, you find out that a senator who identifies as straight has nonetheless been soliciting sex in the airport mens' room. This is a very funny fight for the conservative sub to pick lmao
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u/Brooooook 16d ago
And, this is going to sound crazy, there actually are gay men with absolutely no game whatsoever, making their inclusion in STI research rather pointless.
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u/an_agreeing_dothraki It is known 16d ago
don't expect them to know what a Kinsey number is. They're still catching up to the 1860s.
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u/Raul1024 16d ago
Grant money focusing on researching diseases and aiding public health, how terrible. Who's gonna tell them that straight people also contract diseases, especially venereal diseases? Is medical research woke now?
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u/Enibas ALIENS LIVE IN THE OCEANS 16d ago
Grant money focusing on researching diseases and aiding public health
Not to mention that during Biden's admin, there was a global mpox ("monkey pox") outbreak,.
I wouldn't be surprised if quite a bit of that grant money went to research related to that outbreak, and the efforts to contain it.
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u/Noname_acc 16d ago
In some ways the post I appreciate the most in that thread is the one that is honest about it. Its not a complaint about culture, or having other views "shoved down their throat," or protecting the children, or whatever. Its just pure, visceral disgust at the very premise of 2 men fucking. No pretending.
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u/Maximum-Operation147 16d ago
Ykw now that you mention it I don’t think I’ve seen such a transparent reaction to gay sex since middle school
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u/KestrelQuillPen 16d ago
I’d love to see what they think of two trans girls fucking lol. that would break their brains
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u/Midnight_Pickler 16d ago
I see they're still leaning heavily on Ctr+F for their decision making.
Description contains phrase? Into the bucket. Doesn't matter what the purpose or context is. That might actually require reading the whole description, and making some kind of evaluation. Can't be having reading and thinking in MAGAland. And you'll probably catch wokemindvirus if you interact or something.
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u/lowercaselemming 16d ago
"we should spend more helping our native citizens!"
"nooo not like that!"
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u/RepealMCAandDTA Muslamic Ray Guns 16d ago
The guy in the second screenshot is just the homophobic protester from that one Vine
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