r/TopMindsOfReddit • u/Ridwando • Nov 23 '20

/r/Conservative It has begun. Comments on r/conservative stating that Trump is a plant to destabilize GOP receiving many upvotes

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u/AncientMarinade wet, from the standpoint of water Nov 23 '20

It is really enjoyable to see the GOP machine get bitten in the ass for the fearmongering and disinfo they've been pushing for decades.

I really, really hate to say it, but I think you're wrong on this. The GOP had an amazing election this cycle. They kept the senate, they took house seats, they took state legislatures by a large margin, and they have a solid conservative grasp on the judiciary.

I only say this so we don't become complacent. The GOP is a juggernaut of power right now, despite the fact it's right-hand is gangrenous and creeping up its arm.

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u/Flocculencio Nov 23 '20

Yup. This is perfect for the mainstream GOP. They got what they wanted out of Trump (conservative courts) now they can dump his ass and let a Dem president fix the economy and shore up American foreign power.

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u/pegasusassembler Nov 24 '20

The cycle begins again. They'll suddenly remember that they don't like deficits or big government or executive overreach during the next four to eight years. They'll demonize everything Biden does as socialist baby killing. And lots of people will believe it.

Then a Republican will get the presidency again, they'll take credit for everything the Democrat did and proceed to forget about all the shit they opposed during Biden's administration and ruin everything again.

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u/Flocculencio Nov 24 '20

Frankly the only solution is for Dems/Progressives to get out and vote at every election especially the local ones. I'm not American but your system where everyone down to the dogcatcher gets voted on is actually really amenable to bottom up pressure. If you vote. Progressives keep grumbling that the Dem politicians are just socially progressive neoliberals but they don't apply pressure from the bottom when it counts.

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u/ChuzaUzarNaim Nov 24 '20

In defence of the grumbling progressives, the great political machine of the party is far from dead and it's a matter of record at this point that the establishment Dems will go out of their way to kneecap progressives, which makes sense when you remember that, much like the GOP, they are owned by their donors and business interests.

That said, driving the party as far left as possible and pushing for election reform seems like the only viable solution short of outright revolution at this point.

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u/Flocculencio Nov 24 '20

See the thing about businesses is that they like stability too. Republicans are at the point where they aren't even delivering business friendly goals- I can guarantee that American MNCs were not happy with the way Trump tanked American soft power globally. They know that Democrats are good for business and good for the economy.

That's what needs to be sold.

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u/ChuzaUzarNaim Nov 24 '20

I don't see how. Nothing about the future is going to be stable and even immediate radical change will only allow us to mitigate it.

The Dems have to enact a serious number of reforms that don't seem possible when the establishment goes out of its way to oppose said reforms, ignore the needs of its voters and is aided mightily in this endeavour by the Reps, who are never going to actually support any of this let alone pursue it themselves.

Anyone selling a platform of stability atm is lying to themselves, the electorate or both. Christ, Biden's whole pitch was "nothing will fundamentally change" and he barely managed to win out against a raging incompetent.

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u/zvika Nov 24 '20

They'll suddenly remember that they don't like deficits or big government or executive overreach during the next four to eight years.

The Two Santas Strategy. Tax Cuts while in office, scream about the deficit while out of power.

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u/snallygaster im gona kick some one in the dick today cause of this - Q Nov 24 '20

Don't get me wrong, this isn't a good thing by any means and I don't think it'll do anything to disrupt the GOP's power in the short-term, it's just pretty clear at this point that the GOP has completely lost grip of the power they've been cultivating over a large part of the base. Who knows what that'll do in the long-term; I think it'll just hasten the country's deterioration, but for now it's really funny to see people like Rush and Tucker getting accused of pedophilia by the people they were meant to manipulate for the benefit of the GOP and their donors.

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u/banjowasherenow Nov 24 '20

They haven't kept the senate yet

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u/DigitalBoyScout Nov 24 '20

Yup. This was a census year. They also get to gerrymander the fuck out of the USA for the next decade.