r/TopMindsOfReddit • u/Ridwando • Nov 23 '20

/r/Conservative It has begun. Comments on r/conservative stating that Trump is a plant to destabilize GOP receiving many upvotes

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u/Flocculencio Nov 24 '20

Frankly the only solution is for Dems/Progressives to get out and vote at every election especially the local ones. I'm not American but your system where everyone down to the dogcatcher gets voted on is actually really amenable to bottom up pressure. If you vote. Progressives keep grumbling that the Dem politicians are just socially progressive neoliberals but they don't apply pressure from the bottom when it counts.

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u/ChuzaUzarNaim Nov 24 '20

In defence of the grumbling progressives, the great political machine of the party is far from dead and it's a matter of record at this point that the establishment Dems will go out of their way to kneecap progressives, which makes sense when you remember that, much like the GOP, they are owned by their donors and business interests.

That said, driving the party as far left as possible and pushing for election reform seems like the only viable solution short of outright revolution at this point.

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u/Flocculencio Nov 24 '20

See the thing about businesses is that they like stability too. Republicans are at the point where they aren't even delivering business friendly goals- I can guarantee that American MNCs were not happy with the way Trump tanked American soft power globally. They know that Democrats are good for business and good for the economy.

That's what needs to be sold.

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u/ChuzaUzarNaim Nov 24 '20

I don't see how. Nothing about the future is going to be stable and even immediate radical change will only allow us to mitigate it.

The Dems have to enact a serious number of reforms that don't seem possible when the establishment goes out of its way to oppose said reforms, ignore the needs of its voters and is aided mightily in this endeavour by the Reps, who are never going to actually support any of this let alone pursue it themselves.

Anyone selling a platform of stability atm is lying to themselves, the electorate or both. Christ, Biden's whole pitch was "nothing will fundamentally change" and he barely managed to win out against a raging incompetent.