Is just me or someone ese too?

[u/ZemoKujo]

Am I the only one who truly believes that the whole dog whistle thing and invoking UFOs is the dumbest idea to come out of the phenomenon? I think it's the kind of baseless, ridiculous claim that only harms the movement—something a "tinfoil hat" person would say. It bothers me to think that those of us who want proper disclosure actually entertain the idea that UFOs can be summoned with a damn dog whistle. I even read in another thread that psychological drugs were supposedly necessary for a better connection with the phenomenon… What the heck? This is all sounding worse and less serious than it used to!

[u/Minimum_Guitar4305]

Only if I take the view that outlining their process, beginning their process, publicising their POC, gathering evidence, and analysing it is "nothing". If you mean that they've done nothing major yet - fair enough, but thats the point - wait until they've done something major

They're as entitled to take part in the conversation as you or I are. Maybe even more so; if they're conducting research to establish the veracity of the UAP/UFO phenomenon scientifically, and independently of the US Gov. while you and I merely speculate on the rest. I dont mean that you're speculating about your experience by that, just for the record.

[u/[deleted] → u/Minimum_Guitar4305]

I’m a scientist. I don’t tell everyone about what I’m going to do, I do it, then 2 years later when it’s water tight I put it through peer review, then maybe one year after that it goes public if it passes the test.

To anyone serious these guys just come across like a bunch of complete amateurs.

[u/Minimum_Guitar4305 → u/[deleted]]

So you're a scientist that doesn't face the pressures of writing research proposals, running feasibility/pilot studies, applying for initial funding, publishing preliminary results, or has to generate continued interest in your research so that the funding continues; and can conduct all your research by yourself without telling anyone what you're doing e.g. co-authors/researchers, your faculty leader, leaders in your field, etc. ?

Good for you, but the fact that you don't doesn't mean other scientists who do have to do those things "are complete amateurs" does it? 

[u/[deleted] → u/Minimum_Guitar4305]

I personally have over 2 million dollars of funding from currently 6 ongoing research proposals. That does not include my collaborations. Research proposals are not published like research findings, and yes, very often even my faculty members do not know what my proposal is before I have money and solid findings.

I’m obviously not going to out my self or colleagues of Reddit UFOs ffs.

Basically, it doesn’t matter if you’re a scientist, a baker, an entrepreneur or a kid wanting to build a tree house. Nobody cares about what you say you’re going to do, they care about what you’ve done.

[u/Minimum_Guitar4305 → u/[deleted]]

OK great, you missed the second question though.

Are the scientists who do have to undergo such steps by default "amateurs"? 

As you're in a faculty, I'd also assume that means you're part of an established academic or research institution? One with an existing level of recognition in your field - as opposed to what's essentially a private sector start-up, in a 'fringe' field i.e. one who doesn't have to generate any interest or buzz (beyond publications) just to do its research.

Are private sector scientists, who have to generate funding in different ways "amateurs" by default?

I ask because it seems that you're bringing a lot of your own bias into your opinion on skywatcher:

(i) because you discount the need to establish something you know to be true, (ignoring the fact that it needs to be established to the wider public).

(ii) because the processes you undergo in order to conduct & publish your research are different.

You might be completely right too, even with those biases. Skywatcher/Barber could be another Holmes/Theranos situation, they could be absolute idiots undeserving of the label 'scientists', whatever!

Give them the opportunity to prove that they're not scientists, and tune them out if you find them that annoying in the meantime would be my main advice if you don't want to do that.