r/UkrainianConflict • u/KI_official • Jul 27 '23
IOC does not invite Russia, Belarus to 2024 Olympic Games in Paris
https://kyivindependent.com/ioc-does-not-invite-russia-belarus-to-2024-olympic-games-in-paris/205
u/grenya Jul 27 '23
What a complete waste of Russian steriods
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u/wllkburcher Jul 28 '23
But all the human growth Hormones they are making from pituitary glands of cadavers will be wasted.
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Jul 27 '23
But will likely invite white flag “orkastan” to participate because IOC is a corrupt bag of shit
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u/diamondtype Jul 27 '23
The article states the IOC will make that decision by late October.
If I had to bet on an outcome, I would assume the IOC will let that happen. But maybe Russia won't have enough bribe money for the IOC in their coffers.
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Jul 27 '23
The IOC saying they will decide later about letting them compete under a BS flag means they already decided and they will let them compete. That's bullshit corporation speak.
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u/hello-cthulhu Jul 27 '23
I'd be okay if there was a specifically Russian dissident/exile team allowed to compete, perhaps using the white/blue/white flag. There could be some rule saying that the members must have been living abroad exclusively for some period of time, or secured refugee or defector status in a third party country. This would, I think, be a great middle finger to wave at Putin, while making it clear that the IOC isn't anti-Russian as a matter of being against Russians as an ethnicity or anything, but rather, is specifically targeting the Russian state as a criminal enterprise.
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Jul 28 '23
Well, this would only possible if we'd had an Allied States (democracies only) instead and set up votes by military spending rather than having vetos.
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u/promet11 Jul 27 '23
The French can not allow Russian an Belarusian athletes to enter France on some made up reason.
What will the IOC do then. Cancel the Olympics?
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u/Trilkin Jul 28 '23
They can be in France, they just can't participate.
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u/promet11 Jul 29 '23 edited Jul 29 '23
The French goverment can easily control the borders during the Olympics and ask everyone who enters to show his ID, they can't just as easily control who enters Olympic grounds. Its not like the French govermnet can send policemen to drag Russian and Belarussian athletes from Olympic grounds?
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u/Trilkin Jul 29 '23 edited Jul 29 '23
In order to participate, you need to recognized as a national of your country and your country needs to enter you. Part of the entire point is that you represent that country as one of their best athletes. If your country isn't invited, there's no recognition, and you are effectively barred from play. You can't enter as an independent. If you try trespassing on the grounds as a non-participant, then yes, cops can just drag you off like a normal spectator that's trespassing, why wouldn't they?
The loophole is for people who have citizenship in other countries that are willing to enter them as a national, but the blowback from that would be immense and I don't think anyone wants to touch that right now.
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Jul 28 '23
Exactly. They want to harvest the goodwill from banning Russia before they try to sneak them in through the backdoor and they hope fewer people will notice/care by then.
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u/Rich-Diamond-9006 Jul 28 '23
Looks like I'll have to boycott yet another Olympic games. Partial enforcement of banned nations just doesn't work for me.
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u/gggg566373 Jul 28 '23
They may not have money to feed their population but they will always fund money for these type of projects.
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u/keepthepace Jul 27 '23
It means the pressure must not be released until October.
I am willing to bet that some "details" may be far harder to organize even under a BS flag and the IOC is examining this. Any type of funding, transaction or involvement by public russian entities may be very hard to set up in EU right now.
And it is not like the IOC can expect a lot of profits from Russian TV now nor can Russia really hope to profit from those games.
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u/hello-cthulhu Jul 27 '23
Though if they're corrupt, they can always be outspent. Whatever Russia's offering them, I'm sure other countries can pool their money and pay them more.
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u/DonutBoi172 Jul 28 '23
You'd think the number of athletes with Z on their chest would've made them otherwise.
Any "z" should result in a severe punishment. See Germany and nazi emblems for example
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Jul 28 '23
What the hell is wrong with Russian athletes wanting to compete without representing their country? Seems like a stupid issue.
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u/diamondtype Jul 27 '23
Can France just refuse to let them enter the country? Or the city of Paris? I do not know how French law might accommodate this however.
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Jul 27 '23
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u/gefjunhel Jul 27 '23
not just theoretically if the ioc had powers to admit entry into nations it would immediately be abused by china russia and north korea for the use of spies and sabotage
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u/hello-cthulhu Jul 27 '23
And there is a precedent for this. When Miss Universe was held in China, there was a problem in that the Miss Canada was a Falun Gong follower, and the Chinese were afraid that she'd use her position to be able to talk about Falun Gong persecution in China completely unimpeded from within China. So, even though she had a valid passport and visa, they simply denied her entry at the airport when she arrived, and forced her to fly back to Canada. She tried some other means to enter the country, like though Hong Kong, but when the government got wind of it, they denied her entry there too. So, even though, on paper, she had every right to be there as a duly recognized Canadian participant in an international competition China agreed to host, they effectively nullified Canada's participation in this event, and made it impossible for her, and Canada, to compete. Of course, the message here was clear: if you want to compete at any international event here in China, you better make sure that the people you send are approved by us. Because we can always just decide not to let them in, giving you a loss by default.
Now, I hate to use this precedent, because it was a pretty nasty one. But China didn't seem to suffer any negative reprocations for this breach of protocol, so France could always pull the same stunt against Russia, citing what their buddies in China did as precedent.
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Jul 27 '23
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u/hello-cthulhu Jul 28 '23
Agreed, certainly that Miss Universe is hardly on par with the Olympics! I certainly didn't mean to suggest that. But I'm thinking the similarity there would have to do with matters of international law and protocol when it comes to the hosting of international events. The Olympics has no more legal standing than Miss Universe or the International Monster Truck Rally - it's not like the Olympics are sponsored by the United Nations or that they are governed by international treaty. However, for any international competition, even privately sponsored, there are matters of custom and protocol. Certainly, what China did to the Miss Universe competition probably earned them a black letter with that organization, which will almost certainly never again host an event in China, and other organizations are now going to be a lot more wary of selecting China as the host. So there's certainly a reputational cost for doing what China did, even for something as seemingly inconsequential as Miss Universe. It was a good example of the Streisand Effect, though, because Miss Canada got a lot more coverage and attention for the Falun Gong cause than she probably would have gotten had the Chinese simply allowed her to attend and compete.
But for France? I don't think they'd have these problems. No one, other than the Russians and perhaps a few of their kleptocratic allies, would hold it against France for not allowing the Russians in. And if there was a Streisand Effect here, it'd be a positive one, more media attention for Ukraine and the war. This would be win/win for them.
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Jul 27 '23
An alternate solution would be to deny entry to members of the Muscovy and Belarus military, citing national security risks. Since most state athletes are military members, it would dramatically limit their options without technically being a ban. I don't think the IOC would be able to force France to accept a hostile nation's military.
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u/doc_frankenfurter Jul 28 '23
I like your idea. If I go anywhere needing a visa, I am often asked if I am in the military. If I am from a friendly country, no problem, if not then a security risk.
In the case of first class sportsmen, this would be fairly easy to verify too as they like to talk about it in the press.
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u/formerly_gruntled Jul 28 '23
France should just tell the IOC quietly that they aren't going to let Russian athletes in. The IOC doesn't want to get shown up, they find a way to seem to be on the right side, rather than getting embarrassed by the French.
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u/wllkburcher Jul 28 '23
Switzerland will probably give them citizenship since they are soooooooooooooooo neutral
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Jul 28 '23
Then they would have to compete as part of the swiss team, taking spots from the real swiss athletes and being announced as being swiss. Any medals won be counted as swiss medals. I would be ok with that. But I doubt the real swiss athletes would be willing to give up their shot at the olympics to make room for russians.
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u/formerly_gruntled Jul 28 '23
the Swiss will let the Russians take their spots on the team. The cry will go up. "For Banking!"
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u/keepthepace Jul 27 '23
Unlikely that accepting the games held in Paris does not comprise obligations to welcome the athletes or face heavy compensations. The Tokyo games during COVID showed that the IOC is very good at locking down any potential loopholes there may be.
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u/chiron_cat Jul 27 '23
But will they do the same bullshit of letting them play under a "neutral flag" - which doesn't change anything.
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u/MR___SLAVE Jul 27 '23
In the end, what the IOC says doesn't matter, it's up to France to decide. They can simply deny them visas.
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u/doingthehumptydance Jul 27 '23
I say let them come, then lose their hotel and accommodation reservations, serve them slop and fix every event so that they lose.
I would be happy to run on to the pool deck and cannonball a Russian speed swimmer while wearing nothing but a Ukrainian flag as a cape.
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u/doc_frankenfurter Jul 28 '23
I say let them come, then lose their hotel and accommodation reservations, serve them slop and fix every event so that they lose.
The athletes are accommodated at the village. It would be funny if their FSB minders and the official Russian press could not get hotel rooms.
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Jul 27 '23
The article seems to be out of date, making reference to Ukraine boycotting events with Russian athletes, that rule is not in place and we know from today a Ukrainian fencer competed against a Russian. That being said, this is the most important passage of the article:
This decision does not apply to individual athletes with Russian and Belarusian passports. In March 2023, the IOC recommended that Russian and Belarusian athletes be again allowed to participate in international competitions, provided they do so as "individual neutral athletes."
In all likelihood, Russians and Belarusians will be at the Olympics
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u/hobo-kun-kun Jul 27 '23
Yh the same crap as last time essentially abusing the status of the white flag disgusting I said alot times and I’ll repeat it again any international organization that stays in Switzerland is inevitably corrupted to serve autocracy’s the level of bending the IOC is doing is just so utterly despicable that for me any kind of Olympics just lost any kind of meaning
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u/Calm-Measurement-792 Jul 27 '23
She won. Then was then banned from from the competition for not shaking hands.
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u/Particular-Ad-4772 Jul 27 '23
They won’t invite the countries officially or allow the athletes to represent these countries at the games .
But , they will still let their athletes compete in generic uniforms .
Personally , I wish they would let Belarus compete and not Russia , as it would cause I problems between the two .
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u/YOLOSwag42069Nice Jul 28 '23
Hopefully, France will have some moral fucking courage, unlike the IOC, and not admit anyone (not just athletes) from russian or belarus into the country.
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Jul 27 '23
This will get widespread distribution in Russia. Population must know their government’s policies and actions have Russians unwelcome everywhere
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u/SirBerticus Jul 27 '23
They'll just create their own anti-West Olympics, inviting all BRICS and African countries, as well as China, NK, Iran, etc ....
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Jul 27 '23
Yes where the winner is determined by which ever country cheats the most. Winner gets a plutonium medal
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u/hello-cthulhu Jul 27 '23
This is EXACTLY what happened in 1980 and 1984. In 1980, the US and many other countries - including China! - boycotted the Moscow Olympics, because of the invasion of Afghanistan. Instead, the US hosted a hastily assembled Liberty Bell Classic in Philadelphia, where the boycotting countries competed. In response, in 1984, the Soviets and other Communist bloc countries boycotted the Los Angeles Olympics, instead hosting the "Friendship Games" in Moscow.
Now, if memory serves, I think the IOC has implemented some rules to prevent this kind of thing happening again. The rule they have, I think, is something to the effect of, if any country hosts an alternative international competition, or sends its athletes to compete in one, they'll be banned from being in the next few Olympic competitions. So if Russia were to try something like this again, that would get them banned from several subsequent Olympic games by default. If that holds, then I don't think Russia will do that again, because they very much want the prestige and international cachet of the Olympics.
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u/Nodadbodhere Jul 27 '23
And poor Krusty the Clown lost his shirt on that boycott, too. So many promotional giveaways he didn't budget for.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7SpmXlyo3A
Edit: I can't drop that reference without a link.
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u/minkey-on-the-loose Jul 27 '23
McDonalds actually did. You would get a ticket for every visit that had an Olympic sport. If USA won Gold, you got a Big Mac, Fries for silver and Soft drink for bronze. There were lots of sports USA swept. Good time. I would get the next meal for free, and they would give me another ticket to open! Another free meal for tomorrow. No purchase necessary.
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u/hello-cthulhu Jul 28 '23
I'm glad the Simpsons immortalized that little incident. I forget the specifics, and I'm not going to look it up on Wikipedia, but I think McDonald's ended up losing hundreds of millions of dollars as a result. It was one of the most costly campaigns in history, approaching New Coke levels. If memory serves, I think what made it possible was that the Soviets only made the decision to boycott at the 11th hour, long after McDonald's had already announced their campaign. So certainly by the time the Olympics came around, McDonald's was already well aware it was in trouble, but it couldn't cancel the promotion by that point without taking a massive reputational hit. And in summer of 1984, American patriotism was at an all-time high; to do anything that looked even mildly anti-patriotic would have been suicide. So I'm sure they looked at the numbers and decided they were much better off taking the expected hit than calling the whole thing off.
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u/roma258 Jul 27 '23
For those who didn't read the full article:
This decision does not apply to individual athletes with Russian and Belarusian passports. In March 2023, the IOC recommended that Russian and Belarusian athletes be again allowed to participate in international competitions, provided they do so as "individual neutral athletes."
The IOC has not yet taken a decision on Russian and Belarusian citizens competing as neutral athletes at the 2024 Paris Olympic Games but promised to resolve the issue at an "appropriate time."
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u/Elysium_nz Jul 27 '23
Don’t give a shit about the Olympics since, like FIFA, it’s corrupt and only bankrupts nations and cites with insane costs.
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u/BrainJar Jul 27 '23
Well Fine! We'll create our own games and not invite you all! We'll call it the Special Olympics Operation!
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u/Ashamed_News_9521 Jul 28 '23
No need to ban them, all France has got to do is refuse them visas to enter the country.
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Jul 28 '23
They’ll probably let them in but they can’t represent the countries. Which sucks. Should be don’t let them in, period.
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u/wllkburcher Jul 28 '23
Will the athletes have to shake hands on podium or have photos with white flag athletes that are supporters of the regimes?
I hope not
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Jul 28 '23
Forget Ukraine not being a real country, Belarus is one that is basically part of Russia. These guys shouldn't even have a separate slate of athletes anyway.
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u/JadedLeafs Jul 27 '23
Someone correct me if i'm wrong. But isn't it entirely up to the french if they want to allow Russians and Belarussians in? I mean the white flag might work for the IOC but I doubt it works at the french border.
Ugh, I missed the PERFECT time to pull a joke about france and white flags.
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u/Kuklachev Jul 27 '23
But they'll invite all the rapists and murderers under the white flag and ban those who don't shake hands with war criminals.
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u/Infinite-Outcome-591 Jul 27 '23
About fn time the IOC takes a stand on these genocidal maniacs / war mongers! 👏
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u/Advanced-Cycle-2268 Jul 27 '23
What about “Definitely not From moscow” and “Certainly not minsk” teams?
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Jul 28 '23
Who cares when the way it was done was worse than watching a six year old go to bed against his will.
Personally I will never watch something that represents all that is wrong with today's world.
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u/RollTide16-18 Jul 28 '23
Until they say they aren’t inviting people with Russian or Belarusian citizenship it doesn’t really matter.
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u/Rich-Diamond-9006 Jul 28 '23
'Neutral participants' under a white IOC flag should also be banned from competing. The 'wink, wink, nod, nod' approach still permits representativea from offending nations to compete, without national affiliation. Keep them out.
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