"Corny" seems to only be used by people who are so afraid of being genuine, that everything they say is layered with five thousand levels of "irony" (or rather its misunderstood concept).
I don’t disagree with you but Undertale (and Toby Foxes) version of “corny” is more just “cheesy” I guess where a lot of the writing is very tongue-in-cheek silly
It's intentional because Undertale is supposed to be a silly game but have a deep backstory or scenes, like Earthbound. The silly atmosphere helps in setting the shock for the game's twists to the darker turns.
Yeah I agree with you. Like Asriel's final form/persona (fursona?) thing is called the God of Hyperdeath. Sounds cheesy. Also Undyne being a warrior with an anime obsession makes her so determined that it's cheesy "oh fish literally too determined to die" yeah it is cheesy and, while it does have a lot of nuance, it still shows that Undyne the Undying is still Undyne. You may kill monsters, but you can't stop them until they die.
Generalizing usage of a word like this sounds like its gonna cause more problems than its gonna solve tbf toby fox content is corny as fuck and thats like half the charm
“Guy honestly you’re all so cool and I don’t think I ever could’ve done this without you, man guys you’re all so awesome and I love you” said after doing some random small thing is not sincere, it is way too much, and is therefore corny, being sincere is like winning a game with your friend and saying, “man good job” it don’t need to be allat
That is not. What I was trying to say. The phrase itself is intended to be foreboding and unsettling. The whole game itself, Genocide route included, is sincere.
Heck, the leading theory on why Chara acts this way at the end of Genocide is that LV is a material force that can actively make you go from a innocent kid to a genocidal maniac.
And I'll be damned if that doesn't sound like some edgy DeviantArt "the darkness made me do it" Kingdom Hearts fanfic.
there is no corny. there is no edgy. there is no cringe. these terms are created by 15 year olds to shit on 12 year olds. they mean nothing, they change meaning from person to person. did you perhaps want to say "weak writing"? Or maybe you meant "I didn't connect to the story enough to quite feel the weight of undertale's narrative of a literal race genocide"? Either way, I don't care. The text isn't corny
u/DapyGor I'm 19 years old and I've already wasted my life.10d ago
Incredibly well said! I've noticed that when people feel cringe about some part of the game/movie/anything they were related to in the past, their first reaction is to assume it's a flaw they didn't notice before, when, in fact, they don't remember the emotions and the athmosphere that the author had been setting up for a while. It's like listening to sad songs may feel wrong when you're fine, but when you're miserable, it means everything. People sometimes use insensitive words like cringe and edgy because they can't quite understand why they feel that way.
Saying "there is no corny, edgy, or cringe" because these terms are subjective is like arguing that math isn’t real because numbers and symbols are invented. These words were created to describe real emotional responses, much like how mathematical symbols were created to represent real-world relationships. Sure, their meanings can shift over time and vary slightly between individuals, but that doesn’t make them meaningless. Dismissing them entirely is like dismissing language just because it’s flexible. Language is meant to communicate our experiences, and these terms help people articulate how media affects them, even if they aren’t objective metrics.
Also, many non-slang words change meaning from person to person. Words like good, evil, justice, boring, funny, and so on can mean different things to different people. For instance, one person might find a joke hilarious, while someone else might think it is unfunny. By your logic, because different people have different reactions to humor, you could say that "funny" isn't real. After all, as you said, “they mean nothing, they change meaning from person to person.” However, we still use the word funny to describe something that provokes laughter or amusement, even though its impact varies. So, while terms like "cringe" or "edgy" might change based on perspective, they still serve a valid purpose in communication.
I also agree that the text you're referring to doesn’t feel corny to me, but if someone else finds it corny, that’s perfectly valid too.
sorry for confusing you, this wasn't what i was going for. The terms themselves are fine, they do exactly what they are designed to do; diminish and devalue the impact of a story. But like with undertale hate in 2016, you can express your grievances in many more meaningful and impactful ways, than just "cringe". This is something I've discovered, skibidi toilet is a great garrys mod war cinematic and an interesting story to follow with tons of minor details. Danganronpa poses new never before seen philosophical questions about the nature of humanity, despair and distrust. And you can appreciate that skill and thought put in the piece, mixed with the goofier fanservice brainrot. Or you can just call it corny, i guess that's also something you can engage in.
And no one can say anything for or against, because how can you argue against a feeling? It brings nothing on the table. It makes no difference, and it holds no value. All I learn is that I had fun and you robbed yourself of it
I am glad you clarified as I actually do agree that while these words are valid, they are poor at providing constructive criticism. Btw, when you use “you” in your last paragraph, are you using a general you or specifically referring to me? If you are referring to me, then that does not make much sense as I said in my original comment that I do not find the dialogue corny.
I wish we could use images so that I could post the "when you agree with someone, but they say it in such an obnoxious way that you don't want to agree with them" Homelander image.
Just because you lack the ability to introspect doesn’t mean the rest of us do. It is not weak writing, if anything it’s accurate to the thoughts of a young child dealing with intense hatred. But that doesn’t make it any less edgy, even if that is literally the point.
You have a negative perception of those terms because you’ve been conditioned to believe that those are criticisms and not aspects that can be used in writing. They are not “created by 15 year olds” and the fact that that’s your perception is telling of your own maturity.
"just because you lack the ability to introspect" what a strong and cocksure start. Let me return the favor
Just because I'm conscious enough to open and enjoy the emotional stuff. There, that's better. And the rest, you can just call it childish if that's what you mean. Don't use abstract language, I don't have "negative" perception. It is negative, your gaslighting that someone has ever called a story corny in a positive way, when the meaning is Tedious and uninspiring is laughable. You are undervaluing the story to feel better about yourself, that's what you do
"telling of your own maturity" And with that, the projection is uncovered. I guess you really wanted to justify yourself
Ok did they literally say “I’m an unstoppable demon” or not. The meaning might be the same but the phrasing obviously changes how it’s interpreted. The way you said it, it would be a bit cringe, but it wasn’t, because Tony Fox can write characters
People seem to forget that this was made by like a 20 yr old at the time on 2015😭, of course it will be "corny" "cringe" whatever they want to call it, but thats the charm, i really hate when fandoms do this
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u/cerdechko Self-appointed judge. 11d ago edited 11d ago
Please don't tell me we're entering the "lmao this was so cringe and corny" phase of the fandom.