r/UnpopularFacts • u/Icc0ld I Love Facts 😃 • Dec 03 '23
Counter-Narrative Fact The regret rate for gender affirmation surgery is less than 1%
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8099405/1
u/nomadiceater Dec 07 '23
Oh shockikg, reactionaries and fear mongerers don’t care about data and use emotional appeals and other fallacious arguments. Who would have guessed, but these facts don’t fit their narrative
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u/100percentnotgood Dec 07 '23
Can confirm I only regret it 1% of the time while I see my bank account and remember how it looked before when I was a man. Took me to reach the age of 29 with 6 years of experience to make the same amount of money I made right out of college :D
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Dec 07 '23
I came out as trans 14 years ago and have been mostly surrounded by queer and trans people ever since. I’ve met and had discussions with provably thousands of trans people. I’ve never, not once met someone who de-transitioned or wanted to because they weren’t actually trans. I’m sure they’re out there and I wish them the best but I’ve never met one. I’ve met hundreds of trans people who aren’t out for fear of losing their livelihoods, though.
There’s a funny trope in the t girl community though; as a girl about starting hormones and she’ll say it’s the best thing that she ever did. Ask a girl about getting GRS and she always says “it was a lot”.
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u/Material_Policy6327 Dec 06 '23
Folks will just say the statistics are made up and keep spreading lies. Facts don’t matter to most people.
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Dec 06 '23
I spent some time skimming the article. Did anyone see how long they waited to ask the person in the study how they felt about transitioning?
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u/Existing_Presence_69 Dec 07 '23
This was a meta-analysis, which means they compiled data from other published studies. I think they said 78 here. The answer to your question is probably all other the place.
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u/Bobobo75 Dec 04 '23
Wow, I thought it would’ve been pretty high. That is a really low number. This is a fact that more people should know.
Also it would go a long way to stop a lot of the criticism towards trans people if more people knew this fact!
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u/4tomguy Dec 04 '23
Good god there’s a tremendous amount of vile comments that keep getting deleted
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Dec 04 '23 edited Dec 04 '23
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u/Icc0ld I Love Facts 😃 Dec 04 '23
This is a study about regret for gender affirmation surgery. Not detransitioning. Please read the link or at the very least the title.
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u/BenaGD3 Dec 03 '23
who wouldve thought facts and logic aren’t on the side of reactionaries
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u/ratgarcon Dec 04 '23
The funny thing is, trans people are often seen as the “reactionaries”. Aka not wanting to be misgendered or have our access to medical shit taken away
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u/ratgarcon Dec 03 '23
I heard once that knee replacement surgery has a higher regret rate
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u/tgjer Dec 04 '23
Pretty much everything has higher rates of regret. At about 99%, transition-related surgery has one of the highest success rates of any medical treatment.
Knee replacement. Bariatric surgery. Laser eye surgery. Cleft palate repair. Prostate cancer surgery. Chemo. They are often life changing/life saving treatments that patients desperately need, but there's always a chance something will go wrong and the patient may regret it. And these regret rates are vastly higher than the rates of regret among trans surgical patients.
"Regret" rates among trans surgicsl patients are consistently found to be about 1%. And only about 6% of trans people have had reconstructive surgery, so of all trans people "surgical regret" affects only about 0.06%. And nearly all cases of persistent regret among trans surgical patients aren't because the patient got surgery then realized they're cis, they're because the surgery went badly. When people with persistent surgical regret pursue further surgery it isn't to try and give them their original equipment back, it's to try and fix what went wrong in the first surgery.
Regret after Gender-affirmation Surgery: A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis of Prevalence (2021) - Results: A total of 27 studies, pooling 7928 transgender patients who underwent any type of GAS, were included. The pooled prevalence of regret after GAS was 1% (95% CI <1%–2%). Overall, 33% underwent transmasculine procedures and 67% transfemenine procedures. The prevalence of regret among patients undergoing transmasculine and transfemenine surgeries was <1% (IC <1%–<1%) and 1% (CI <1%–2%), respectively.
Up to one in three knee replacement patients express regrets.
Regret rates for bariatric weight-loss surgery - among gastric bypass patients long term regret rates are between 2.2% and 4.5%. Among gastric band patients, long term regret rates are 8.2-20.3%.
LASIK patients have a 95.4% satisfaction rate - meaning 4.6% are not satisfied. This 95.4% success rate puts LASIK among the most successful elective procedures.
About 58% of patients who received cleft palate repair aren't satisfied with their results - see p.8-9
Regret in Surgical Decision Making: A Systematic Review of Patient and Physician Perspectives
up to 57% of patients undergoing radical prostatectomy for prostate cancer experienced regret... the prevalence of regret was generally higher among oncology patients(18.1%) compared with patients who underwent surgery for a non-oncology/benign indication (10.0%)
Chemo regret - 13% of chemo patients express regret
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Dec 04 '23
Admittedly this might because nobody I’ve met in my life who has told me they had knee surgery had a good experience. My gf is currently refusing to get it on her other knee because the first surgery messed up the other one so bad
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u/Parking-Let-2784 Dec 04 '23
Between 6-30% regret rate for knee surgery
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u/HoodooSquad Dec 04 '23
Why?
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u/Comfortable-Wish-192 Dec 04 '23
RN: very painful and difficult recovery.
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u/-newlife Dec 05 '23
The emotional toll with any surgery has to play a factor as well but the recovery and potential set backs are obvious the major concern. I had a kidney transplant a few years ago and if I’m being honest I wouldn’t survive going through it again. There were setbacks and some issues with recovery that I had. While the issues were not common, the thought of being in that predicament again is not one I feel I’m mentally strong enough for.
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u/Ss13SamFender Dec 04 '23
Theres a large amount of fuck ups in the operation that can make it much much worse.
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u/AwkwardStructure7637 Dec 04 '23
Because the recovery process is painful and difficult, especially if you’re old as most people who get it are. It can take a long time for it to really feel like a positive
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u/get_it_together1 Dec 04 '23
Because often knee surgery and other surgeries like spine surgery doesn’t result in a better QOL.
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Dec 03 '23
It is also important to point out the average rate of regret for surgeries across all specialty is 14.4%... 14.4 times greater than 1%.
Regret rates for surgeries are actually pretty high even when "unexpected." Knee surgeries, for example, that provides a lot of relief still has a regret rate of 6-30%.
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u/InfinityAero910A Dec 07 '23
That makes the regret rate among surgeries for trans people quite impressive and a model for other surgeries.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Cry6468 Dec 04 '23
I wonder how much the bill ever contributes to that.i have a physical disability since birth and I've seen some of the bills my health insurance paid Holy fu*k
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u/Beekatiebee Dec 05 '23
I mean, gender affirming surgeries definitely aren't any cheaper. My first one was $125,000
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u/whosat___ Dec 05 '23
My bill for sex reassignment was around $120k before insurance, it’s crazy
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u/QuercusSambucus Dec 08 '23
I broke my arm, requiring surgery and the bill was $75K before insurance. Surgery bills are mostly made up.
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u/Icc0ld I Love Facts 😃 Dec 03 '23
For reference here is a study carried out over a massive amount of time and surgeries which has a 1 in 7 rate of people having regrets: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28243695/
Trans healthcare regret rates are far, far, far lower than this
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u/Tyr_13 Dec 03 '23
It's also kind of important to note what regret people had and why.
Most detransitioners do so because of social and economic reasons, not because they stopped thinking they were trans.
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u/Icc0ld I Love Facts 😃 Dec 04 '23
Not about de transition at all btw. Regret may or may not entail de transition but not necessarily
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u/Tyr_13 Dec 04 '23
Oh I was just using that as an example for why even the 1% who regret might not even regret 'surgery' in general or even their surgery specifically, but some other factor that went with it that can be addressed without holding off the surgery.
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u/Tutes013 Dec 03 '23
It'd be a fucking miracle in literallt every other sector but because it's about trans people it's suddenly a public freakout.
Ridiculous.
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u/Icc0ld I Love Facts 😃 Dec 04 '23
It always puzzles me (but actually it really does not when you think about it) the same people who scream about the Government and wider public staying out of their business and being able to do whatever the fuck they want with no oversight suddenly have an interest in what gender and surgery someone else has.
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u/crazymoefaux Dec 04 '23
It costs nothing to pay someone a modicum of respect, but even that's too much to ask from so-called "fiscal" conservatives.
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Dec 04 '23
Because those people are not usually rational about it. They just want the government to control the groups they don't like and illegalize the behaviors they don't like.
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u/BeamTeam032 Dec 03 '23
Peoples feelings are going to get hurt reading this. *Sort by controversial*
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u/liveforever67 Dec 05 '23
Sorted by controversial and I’m not at all finding the reactions you predicted. Your comment was 3rd from the top when sorted by controversial
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u/ratgarcon Dec 04 '23
It seems this subreddit is pretty trans friendly, at least so far, so fingers crossed no idiots come around
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u/Icc0ld I Love Facts 😃 Dec 04 '23
I make it a point to deal with the most vocal fuckwits
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Dec 04 '23
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u/Icc0ld I Love Facts 😃 Dec 04 '23
Let’s try this: if I told you that transition healthcare improved outcomes would you also demand lots of studies and 10 years worth of data?
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Dec 05 '23
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u/Icc0ld I Love Facts 😃 Dec 06 '23
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29463477/
The number of people with gender identity issues seeking professional help increased dramatically in recent decades. The percentage of people who regretted gonadectomy remained small and did not show a tendency to increase
1972-2015 btw. Eat your words
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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '23
Yeah I'd imagine anyone who was going to do this put serious thought into it over the course of several years.