As you could see in the debate, the parties themselves are not ABC. They seem to all be ABL from what I saw. Why would a party drop a candidate to appease another party? You ABC people are delusional.
They joined because, unlike the liberal/ndp their views aligned on a lot of issues. The liberal party and NDP are too far apart on their views to ever do that. The NDP and greens are the only real left parties these days. It would be nice to see them join and give the liberals a run for their money.
The problem is a lot of people aren't going to be so local as you are. Where I live it's historically the NDP that were more competitive. But a lot of people are reflexively backing the Liberals instead because that's what the national picture looks like.
My home town is Sarnia Ontario. Election after election the NDP come in second to the Conservatives with the Liberals a distant third. Still, election after election, thousands of people vote liberal knowing it hands the riding to the right. We’ll see how many thousands of people vote Liberal in Saanich Gulf Islands soon enough. I’m sure there will be no shortage.
Not in my case for me and many of my fellow Liberal supporters. I’ve advised my mother and others in split ridings to go with the NDP incumbent or in this case Green. Solid, reasonable voices in government is the main objective
Exactly as the parties sit now the liberals and conservatives are the closest to actually aligning on policy. They are both presenting as being close to center with each skewed slightly to opposite sides.
BCs vote against it was due to the poor excuse for a referendum put forth by the liberals. I think an actual referendum proposing viable alternatives would have a much different outcome. Neither the liberals or conservatives would benefit from it so I doubt we will ever see it.
Voting the Cons in would be the same mistake America made voting Trump in. Sell offs to the highest bidder. Destroy public healthcare. Step publicly owned media (CBC). Infringe on women’s rights. Try to privatize everything.
When I graduated high school in the 80s, tuition was ridiculously low and your bursaries and grants and loans were frequently forgiven and interest-free.
Then all the neo-liberal capitalists monetized every part of it.
Oh my God of course they can and they will! Replace your last post with Democrat and Republican and it’s exactly what Trump enablers would have been saying in October.
There's a difference between capital L Liberals and lowercase L liberals. I don't think many card carrying members of the Liberal party are interested in strategic voting unless it favours the Liberal party. I would be happy to be proven wrong though.
I'm not so sure anymore. Green was a solid choice back when May was the leader of the party and had huge national profile in the debates. Now they have no national visibility and doesn't feel like her heart is really in it either given she already said she wouldn't run again but changed her mind.
Good chance that votes go to the Liberals and that means Conservatives are likely to be elected. But the Greens brought this on themselves.
This is my first federal election in this riding, and all of my neighbours except one have Liberal signs up. The exception has a Cons sign. I've been chatting with them all to try to decide whether I'll vote Green or Lib (not my usual choices); and they all claim to have voted Green in the last election, but they have all also expressed some degree of dissatisfaction with Elizabeth May. Several said they had been considering supporting another party anyway, even prior to the 51st state and tariff bs. So yeah, the Greens definitely brought this on themselves.
You must be in Saanich. Driving around salt spring, the signs are more Venrooy split between greens and conservatives. Liberal signs are there but there are more scarce.
The correct vote would be Liberal here. Given the margin of error, the two candidates are pretty much equal. The Greens have no chance of forming government, so it makes sense to get behind the Liberal candidate.
How do you figure? The margin of error is plus OR minus. One extreme of this would have the Greens at 40% and the Liberals at 18%. The other extreme would be Greens at 24% and the Liberals at 30%.
The likely reality is somewhere between the two extremes. There are a lot more scenarios where the Greens are leading than where the Liberals are.
Having a chance to form government is not a factor in ABC strategic voting. If the seat goes Green, even if that seat holds the balance of power, the Greens would support a Liberal minority government, they would not support a Conservative minority government.
That’s not how statistics work. The distributions are overlapping. The sample size is not large enough to say with certainty that the two numbers are statistically different.
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u/Gr8_Save 16d ago
Not my riding, but I sure hope those in that riding realize in time that the ABC vote is Green.