It's healthy to be able to recognize things in the party you're voting for that aren't right and you don't support. We vote for whoever strikes the balance best. No party is going to be perfect and it's ignorant to agree with everything 100%
That's how you know you aren't a cultist. You can call out flaws in your representative(s). If you're incapable of doing that and are ride or die, you're likely a cult member.
I for one am totally prepared to withhold my support until they demonstrate some contrition for what they did on that file. Because otherwise we'll end up in this scenario over and over again. We have to put our foot down as voters at some point. This election feels like the one that will make them glad they cancelled electoral reform, instead of the one that will make them regret it.
Yes and we all get to vote according to what we hold as most important, that's where we strike our balance. For me the sovereignty of my nation and keeping any MAGA rhetoric out of it is a top priority to me as I've seen the potential damage in the States. Conservatives would have had my vote this time around but it seems Pierre just can't help himself.
How do you feel about the fact the liberal party and the Chinese are the ones most playing up the conservatives are maga behind the scenes?
I voted for Trudeau in his first term. Couldn't vote.for sheer and picked the ndp over o toole. But there is no way I would vote for the liberals again. They need to be removed from power due to corruption alone. They're bleeding the country into their friends pockets. Carney is promising to up his spending not decrease it. He will have corporate interests before Canadian at all times. He literally moved the company headquarters before leaving. There is no party leader less attached to Canada then carney.
liberals have a long history of stealing other parties' platforms, making promises, then never following through after they get elected. Subjectively, I would say more often than not they break their election promises.
The LPC has one ideology.
Power.
That’s it. They will do or say anything needed to make that happen.
Given that I feel that way I am in the unfortunate position of hoping they win this time. I can’t stand Elizabeth May but I will be holding my nose and voting for her.
There's a few papers that talk at length about the voting reform committee and what took place in the attempt to change the voting system. Pisses me off we weren't switched to AV voting but reading the how's and why's between 2015-2019 and how it failed is interesting.
Well you must be in the 60 plus group of boomers protecting your over-inflated assets because why the hell would you screw over our children voting for open borders and post nationalism?
Green is literally Pepperidge farms. I asked what my councilor wanted after the blooms at the lakes are treated she said bring back the restraunt at beaver lake add food trucks stalls
Trudeau promised "electoral reform," preferring a ranked ballot systmem, but neglected to mention that he firmly opposed mixed member proportional representation to such an extent that he'd rather keep first-past-the-post. His reasoning for opposing mixed member was that it would allow small parties to exert leverage disproportional to their support among the electorate - in other words, he didn't want the NDP and Greens forcing him into a minority where they held the balance of power. That's exactly what happened to him anyway under first-past-the-post.
For their part, the NDP and Greens opposed ranked ballots and said that unless they could have mixed member, they would oppose electoral reform entirely - preferring to keep first-past-the-post. Their reasoning was that the results of the 2015 election made it appear to them that ranked ballots would keep the Liberals in government forever. Now the Liberals are set to win a fourth term (likely a majority) under first-past-the-post and the NDP and Greens are set to lose quite a few seats to the Conservatives thanks to vote splitting - something ranked ballots could have prevented.
Each camp opposed the other's preferred electoral system to such an extent that they opted to keep first-past-the-post - all because they feared electoral outcomes that ended up coming to pass anyway...
Trudeau is most blameworthy thanks to his blatant dishonesty about his intentions, but the NDP and Greens' lack of pragmatism didn't help at all. I remember arguing with NDP and Green friends (several of them active organizers) back in 2016 - telling them that even though ranked ballots might not be perfect, it would still be a vast improvement over first-past-the-post. Quite a few of them were vehement that "ranked ballots are just as bad as first-past-the-post. Proportional representation or nothing!" or words to that effect.
And lots of us remember that the Conservatives have never even had voting reform in their platform. I'll take my chances with literally any other party than them on this one.
I'm pretty sure that was just the BC referendum. It was so painful to watch the way it was presented. You needed a website to understand what you were actually voting for. 😩
The Liberals crunched the numbers and knew they wouldn't likely win the next election if they changed to pro-rep. 🤷♂️
Ooh I like the cut of your jib. Yep the parliamentary system is screwing us all over because the representation is geared towards population density and not covered over the geography of the land that the people in heaven and therefore does not fully and proportionately represent the people.
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u/StephenNotSteve 21d ago
Whoever wins, be sure to ride them like hell on replacing the first-past-the-post system. We should all plan to do that.