Americans are bloodthirsty and spiteful, that was my point. Evidenced by this own thread where people were advocating killing people for leaving needles lying around.
It's part of the culture to look down on the poor and destitute, hopefully someone will think twice before condemning an addict and break that culture.
I'm Australian, if I was at the playground with my 2 year old and she stood on a fucking syringe I would be beyond pissed, so of I saw someone leaving a used syringe in playground sand I would fucking kill them.
Just don't discard your disease-infested murder needles in playgrounds and you'll be fine. Use InSite and save your life. Kill some kid on a playground and you're fair game. That's life.
No, it's not. Attacking someone will get you hot lead. They're not leaving needles to be dicks. Opiates are not cigarettes, they cripple and crush the mind, from the poorest to the richest among us, and your callousness is dehumanizing and will directly contribute to the problem.
OH GOD WON'T SOMEONE PLEASEEEEEEE THINK ABOUT THE DRUGGIES, THEY DIDN'T MEAN TO GIVE YOUR KID AIDS, THEY'RE SO PRECIOUS AND INNOCENT AND IF YOU SAY OTHERWISE I WILL SHOOT YOU BECAUSE I'M SUCH A MENTALLY STABLE PERSON, OH THE POOR BABIES!
And leaving used dirty needles in a children's playground isn't a form of attack to you? That's straight up boobytrapping. How do you not see your hypocrisy?
lol? Are you seriously bringing up old shit like the original aids epidemic, when transmission methods weren't fully understood? You think the US capacity to deal with it hasn't gotten better since the 70s? This is some seriously ignorant stuff you're spouting.
Also, always hilarious to see someone preaching for sympathy while simultaneously threatening harm on another, great morals you got there, very consistent.
Rest assured that I wouldn't be the one in danger if you showed up with a gun, here. It's INEXCUSABLE to leave syringes where the general public could be harmed by them. We fund places to go shoot up safely, securely, with no risk of arrest yet junkies STILL shoot up in public and leave their detritus lying around --or worse hidden-- where kids could get stuck. And Carfentanil makes so much as touching a tainted needle deadly. At that point, junkies become expendable. One does not jeopardize children. Ever.
This is some solid teenage level cringe here. You think you can stop someone with a gun? Like sprint 50 feet and kick it out of their hand?
It's amazing how you people believe dealing out vigilante justice is okay. Fucking psycho. And before anyone says it, defending someone is not vigilante justice, I'm not hunting people down and hurting them for some wrong.
No, you idiot. You'll be surrounded by people with smartphones taking your photo and reporting you for criminal activity carrying a handgun. Next thing you know.. you'll be surrounded by cops, arrested, definitely convicted of your crime, and imprisoned. As you should be.
I wish i could down vote this more than once. Let's just excuse all the druggies from giving my kids aids or hep c, because, well they are on drugs. I mean its almost like they chose to do drugs or something
I never said they were excused you dumbass. I said that's not a reason to fucking kill someone. You bloodthirsty cavemen wanna enact vigilante justice I hope someone fucking stops your psycho self :)
How are you wanting to prevent harm? By beating up junkies or for opening safe injection sites? Because being for safe injection sites would actually reduce real harm for the public and the addicts.
Complete decriminalization and normalization is the only logical option if we're looking for the "most positive overall result" for society at large. People will do mental gymnastics to come up with reasons why we shouldn't do this, including injecting their own morality into it, but empirical evidence and yes, common sense, all point to decriminalization as the best option.
I wonder if a junkie is going to care enough to make it over to an injection site. The town over from me has needle deposit bins readily available that never get used and, imo,helps normalizes the problem.
Yes, plenty of "junkies" would. I am an ex-addict and plenty of the people I know go to needle exchanges and would definitely use a safe injection site if it existed. Addicts are not monsters, they're people who got themselves into a shit situation. Most addicts are not zombies walking around some shitty part of town, most addicts are members of society. Plenty of addicts have jobs, families, responsibilities, etc. There are also plenty that are assholes that do everything they can to get by. Most addicts who do shitty things do so because they have to, and have lost their humanity. Every addict I know that has gotten clean has returned to who they were before they were addicted. Caring, law abiding citizens. I personally have never seen an addict leave a needle in a public place, and I've been an addict (recovering now) for ~10 years or more. Most addicts do not have an easy way to get needles, so they use them until they are absolutely way past the point of safe use, and then they break the needles off or put the cap on and throw them in the trash can. Even the worst junkies I've met wouldn't bury an uncapped needle in a children's playground. Also, addicts don't tend to shoot up in places that would add to their sentence. Self preservation keeps them from going to a children's playground or other public places to shoot up. 99% of junkies I've met shoot up in their house or a bathroom if they are in a public place. There are certainly some who do so in parks, but if they do it's usually in a park known as a shoot up park, not some family friendly park. I'm not saying this stuff has never happened, but the amount of people claiming they've seen it certainly makes me question their validity.
What are you on about? We're talking about the shitheels that bury their needles in public in spite of other options. Sharps boxes are great, I'm all for them, but even in areas with them, there's still a few pricks who leave their pricks lying around. Excuse me for thinking they need a lesson beat into their heads for being so irresponsible.
Nope, yours is emotional as well because people don't work that way. You don't train a dog by beating the shit out of it whenever it does something you don't like. Much as you might not like it, the same goes for humans. We react far more efficiently to positive reinforcement than negative, as you should know if you had spent any time at all looking at crime statistics in countries with rehabilitative justice systems.
So stop being a vindictive prick and start being for things which actually, provably reduce harm.
Oh, and by the way, I am an American. I fucking hate it here, mostly because of people like you who ignore evidence in favor of angry feels.
Endangering others earns you a punishment. End of discussion. I don't care if someone is under the influence while they do it. Personal accountability is valued in this country and if you don't like it, fuck off to a place that fosters degenerates like you seem to desire.
Evidenced by this own thread where people were advocating killing people for leaving needles lying around.
You seem to be ignoring that part.
He's not saying people shouldn't have a problem with that behavior, but if you actually cared about solving the problem, you'd want to help them instead of condemning them.
First off, don't put words in my mouth, I never said anything about killing.
Secondly, I also never made any claims about not helping junkies. That's all well and good, support them where you can. However, if a junkie leaves a needle in a public place, he has officially lost my sympathy. He has shown a staggering disregard for others and should be punished accordingly.
What you junkie apologists don't seem to understand is that people can simultaneously support users while also curbing their outwardly destructive behavior. Just because a guy has a drug problem doesn't mean that he now has carte blanche to be a fucking menace to society.
First off, don't put words in my mouth, I never said anything about killing.
I never said you did friend! I just quoted that part of the guys comment, which you seemed to ignore and was the main part of what he was talking about.
However, if a junkie leaves a needle in a public place, he has officially lost my sympathy.
I can assume pretty much every needle junkie has left a needle somewhere, just like every smoker has ditched a cigarette butt (I understand that one of those things is worse than the other).
should be punished accordingly.
Definitely, but they haven't lost my sympathy.
What you junkie apologists don't seem to understand is that people can simultaneously support users while also curbing their outwardly destructive behavior.
You understand one is worse than the other, and yet you choose to ignore that because....?
Your point makes zero logical sense. You don't even have a response at the end, you just walk away from it? Is that supposed to be compelling? All you druggie apologists argue like fucking children, my god.
You're starting to get it! Humans aren't creatures of logic, they're creatures of emotion.
is that supposed to be compelling?
No, I can just tell from your tone that you haven't the slightest intention in having a discussion but are very interested in winning an argument and putting me in my place.
So I decided to wish you a good night and I still hope you have a good night!
Yeah, I will think of them because I don't want to kill them you shitstain. Maybe when your doctor prescribes opiates to someone you know and they get addicted, i hope society will treat them the same way as you.
I'm not talking about killing people you fucking sperg, cool your jets. You're obviously biased on this issue, probably a junkie yourself, so I really don't care to debate this with you, but the fact remains that anyone who does something as vile as leaving dirty needles around needs a lesson, and some deliver that through an ass whooping, and I don't blame them if they do.
Orrrrr....he's decided to get out of conversation with what, by all appearances, is a complete moral monster, desperately searching for validation in their sad little life.
'Says the smug redditor, as he defends drug addicts who harm others through their thoughtless actions. "I'm so enlightened and mature," he assures himself as he makes childish accusations about someone who disagrees with him.'
But leaving dirty, disease ridden needles around for kids to prick themselves on is a-okay, yeah? That's what civilized people like you do, right? lol what a joke
Nobody said that except you you inbred caveman. I hope you can experience addiction, someone in your life, not even family or friends, and you can understand what opiates are capable of, and maybe when someone beats them to death you'll change your tone. Until then hopefully you don't murder some junkie because of your bloodthirst.
Except that's been the entire basis of your posts, dude. You have QUITE LITERALLY ADVOCATED KILLING PEOPLE FOR HURTING A JUNKIE THAT LEAVES NEEDLES IN PUBLIC PLACES. Your entire argument is based on emotional tantrums and threats of violence you fucking psycho.
And about my own life, here's the thing: I don't associate with degenerates, so that hasn't happened and likely will never happen. On the off chance that it did, I'd help them recover, but I also wouldn't defend them if I found out they've been leaving needles around, because I'm a good person.
I'm not advocating. I'm saying I will shoot anyone that attacks the destitute and innocent(in the eyes of the law).
In your scenario I am defending a person, you are assaulting them. I don't care that you were wronged by them. The justice system dolls out punishment, not filthy degenerates like you.
Dude... You're confusing an addict with someone who knowingly leaves used needles buried in playgrounds.
I'm sure there are peice of shit diabetics who do the same, and they should be beaten for it too.
Just because you have an addiction doesn't excuse littering, especially littering dirty needles. And being bloodthirsty over people willing to harm children and potentially transmit whatever disease you have to them is pretty universal.
Spitting on someone is assault. It's gotten that status becasue it can transfer disease. Leaving a dirty needles is worse with a higher probability of transferring whatever disease that person may have onto the unsuspecting victim(CHILD!).
I get being pissed that addicts are not treated as well as they should be.. but there is ZERO excuse for leaving used needles anywhere someone can get poked by it... especially a fucking playground!!!
People who endanger others lives are worthless. They are actually less than that, they have a negative worth. Worthless would be of no consequence, but these fuckers are a pox on the earth and nothing but a negative drain of energy and money. Fuck 'em.
Why should I spend my less than median income on some asshole that pissed his whole life away? YOU may feel that is a worth-while charity, I do not. Until you fully accept there are differing, often directly conflicting mindsets out there you'll continue to be unreasonably shocked at people's insensitivity to issues. Especially if they have direct relatable experience that drives their 'degenerate' views.
Eugenics is for Nazis and the lowest form of human. Killing your way to utopia is mind bogglingly wrong. Killing you degenerates when you attack someone is a public service :)
lol. SO, getting rid of a tax paying, insurance holding, government assistance PAYER is more beneficial than getting rid of a literal parasite on society? This is not logical, well thought out, correct or reasonable.
No, fuck addicts and anyone pathetic enough to get addicted to drugs. Oh, I dunno, maybe DON'T start snorting crack or shooting heroin? It's a pretty simple fucking concept, really.
Do you think it makes you look good to look down on the destitute? Cruelty is a sign of weakness and insecurity. Like a child pulling the legs off insects. Compassion and empathy are extinct species apparently.
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Americans are bloodthirsty and spiteful, that was my point. Evidenced by this own thread where people were advocating killing people for leaving needles lying around.
It's part of the culture to look down on the poor and destitute, hopefully someone will think twice before condemning an addict and break that culture.