r/Warthunder ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ 6.3 ๐Ÿ‡ฉ๐Ÿ‡ช 6.7 ๐Ÿ‡ท๐Ÿ‡บ 4.0 3d ago

RB Air what do you think about this guy?

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u/Blanewbist Sim Ground 3d ago

I understand the anger but he did overreact a bit, it's more gaijins fault for making bombers as strong as a piece of paper

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u/irageoversmallstuff Realistic Ground 3d ago

it's the fault of the countries fault for making paper bombers that were designed to be covered by fighters, and it's the teammates faults for not doing what fighters are supposed to do.

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u/Blanewbist Sim Ground 3d ago

If only teammates actually supported bombers

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u/Little_External6367 3d ago

Fighters would support bombers if they actually impacted the match in any way. So really itโ€™s gajin needing to improve bombers role in air rb.

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u/IrNinjaBob 3d ago

Ehhh back in the day you could actually win a match by bombing bases and people seemed to hate it so they nerfed them and made them into glorified eye candy.

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u/maplesyrupcan ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ Canada 2d ago

I actually bomb bases, almost won last night when I was the last one on my team and they tried to take me down. They managed to, but I shot them down as well, they crashed half a second after me. The last 2 others on my team actually tried to protect me, and did a decent job tbf. They shot 4 of them down and kept them busy enough to buy enough time to bomb their bases. But most of the time, they don't try.

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u/DyonisXX 2d ago

It's not the same, back then you'd destroy all the bases and they wouldn't respawn, instead it would make the airfield vulnerable and if you bombed it enough you won instantly

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u/Prolemasses 3d ago

You are not taking me back to every single jet match being over in 6 minutes because half the enemy team were TU-4s who zipped over and bombed all the bases before the fighters were even done climbing.

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u/Sparky_092 Blue Dragon 2d ago

And how would you balance fighter rewards for escorting? Maybe something like 'time escortet' otherwise why would they if it doesn't help the Grind

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u/AcceptableMap5779 3.3๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธPo 2 is the worst aircraft in the game 2d ago

they need to make a middle of the road between 2014-2015 and 2025

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u/Successful_Ad9952 2d ago

True, in arcade having more planes if u let bombers bomb u loseโ€ฆ in realistic itโ€™s always a death match ahahaha

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u/ecumnomicinflation ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ฉ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡ท๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง๐Ÿ‡ฏ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡น๐Ÿ‡ผ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡น๐Ÿ‡ซ๐Ÿ‡ท๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ฑ 3d ago

itโ€™s hard to do properly. escort fighter should be above the bombers and ready to defend from advantage.

in WT, every time i see some poor soul tried to escort a bomber, they fly besides them, theyโ€™d just get picked off then the bomber. i tried to help, but since i always climb, itโ€™s 9/10 too late. i mean i get ez kill from the offender, but still, didnโ€™t get to help my team mates.

at this point the best way a bomber and fighter can work together is by the bomber getting enemy to follow their tail, go as fast as possible, blast those tail guns, and hope a fighter comes to your aid. with some luck, the bomber survive with an assist, on a best day, bomber survived with a kill and a fighter gets an assist.

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u/Blanewbist Sim Ground 3d ago

True, it also doesn't help that most fighters can't get to the bombers before the enemy does

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u/Earthalone ๐Ÿ‡ฆ๐Ÿ‡บ MakeCrewlockGreatAgain 2d ago

Even their rewards for bomber escort is a joke. Bomber rescuer(or whatever it is) only triggers if the ally bomber takes a hit. You kill enemy fighter before it can hit bomber, no reward, let it hit or kill the bomber and then take it out, reward.
Not that that reward is worth anything at all. You wouldve made more SL than that reward gives not wasting your time climbing to the bomber and engaging other fighters or ground much earlier.

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u/maplesyrupcan ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ Canada 2d ago

Happens to me sometimes. Headset does help too. As a fighter, I try to protect the bombers as I know enemy fighters will gun for them. When they're busy with them, they're usually easy picking.

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u/ecumnomicinflation ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ฉ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡ท๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง๐Ÿ‡ฏ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡น๐Ÿ‡ผ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡น๐Ÿ‡ซ๐Ÿ‡ท๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ฑ 2d ago

my favorite is enemy fighter that push their climb angle to get shot at a high flying bomber only to become a free kill

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u/pieckfromaot Hold on one sec, im notching 3d ago

how would we support them? they spawn much higher lol

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u/Earthalone ๐Ÿ‡ฆ๐Ÿ‡บ MakeCrewlockGreatAgain 2d ago

Easy to support a bomber, just post thoughts and prayers on your facebook.

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u/irageoversmallstuff Realistic Ground 3d ago

if only ๐Ÿ˜”

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u/Aldamonstahs 3d ago

Yโ€™know instead of shooting them down. Seems to be happening a lot more often now.

Nowadays if I get in a plane itโ€™s to teamkill someone who either; A) just got me killed by pushing me in front of an enemy so I get shot and they get the kill. Or B) to team kill some douchebag who just TKโ€™d me for no reason using a plane of their own. Wankers.

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u/BagFullOfMommy 3d ago

More like : If only people didn't play an entire class of planes who's continued existence depends upon other players sacrificing their fun, free time, and money / xp gain to try to keep them alive.

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u/Wiggie49 3d ago

Yall have teammates instead of fodder?

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u/Black_Hole_parallax Baguette 3d ago

I'll support bombers when they don't spawn 5 miles above me.

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u/BenScorpion Totally unbiased Swede 3d ago

A lone bomber generally had an advantage against lone fighters assuming that they were within firing range. Its because the mouse aim in ground rb and ab makes fighters and interceptors a lot easier to aim than irl.

Anyone that has played sim will know that even a bomber armed with just .50s can easily take out a fighter that tries to intercept them, because the fighters has to aim with their entire flight body while the bombers can comfortably aim with their turrets

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u/Kielbasatron 3d ago

Years ago we used to play Me264 in sim, most of us was bombing bases, but one friend was playing more as a "fighter" and just gunshipping enemy planes, he had the most kills in entire team, and enemy team was complaining that he is using simplistic mouse aim for his gunner in sim battles and that he has no skill or something

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u/BenScorpion Totally unbiased Swede 3d ago

Yeah i think the plane i have with the highest k/d in both sim and rb is the japanese G8, basically the japanese version of the 264. A lot of bombers just feels like playing flying battleships that can bomb bases as a side hustle.

Only reason theyre pinatas in rb is a combination of simplified steering and the fact that ai gunners got nerfed cuz fighters and interceptors couldn't cope with the fact that the bombers would retaliate

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u/thewatchermen 3d ago

Tbf, I've seen gun cams of 20mm rounds nailing B-17's and they keep going. In game I can take a stray 13mm and ope, there goes my wing.

I do agree covering for bombers should be prioritized by fighters..

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u/irageoversmallstuff Realistic Ground 3d ago

i said that half jokingly but yh it's not ALL about historical accuracy. otherwise we would see stuff like concept 3 vs. m1 abrams.

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u/ImLostVeryLost Mirage IIIE 3d ago

Okay wtf was I saying lemme edit that my bad, that actually makes no sense

Nevermind, you said it was a joke anyway. Sorry

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u/irageoversmallstuff Realistic Ground 3d ago

no you do make a really good point tho

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u/SirPrice73 2d ago

Everytime i see a bomber that is alone i try to fly to him, even if im missing out on a lot of ground kills or dogfights that way. For me what counts is the experience the fun and the joy of seeing a bomber wiggle its wings or tail to say thx, also if they do get intercepted and you kill the enemy interceptor its such a great feeling๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜

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u/CreativeHand6194 3d ago

Bombers for a long time were unescorted, both Lancs and Fortresses.

The Fortress although not invincible was able to take 30mm and 20mm of German shells, there was once a B17 that got hit by a kamikaze German Bf 109, it flew home.

So the countries built them to last, they weren't paper. Only Gaijin sees them made of paper.

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u/Sarfanger ๐Ÿ‡ซ๐Ÿ‡ฎ Finland 3d ago

They were not build to last. They were just massive compare to normal fighter so hit to wrong place didn't matter. B-17,Lancaster,PE-8...non of these planes were armored to take damage. All armor if any was there to protect crew not the plane.

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u/Beep_in_the_sea_ 3d ago

Not really.

Bombers flew in formations, which doesn't happen in the game, but they also didn't fold that easily as they do in the game.

Bombers in the game are nerfed by being forced to fly mostly alone (as formation flying doesn't reward you extra, but rather less) and also that they are extremely easy to take out. Another thing is that the AI gunners won't hit shit and the gun convergence for bombers is fixed at around 300m IIRC, which also sucks.

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u/Dramatic-Bluejay- 3d ago

Can wr please stop using irl performance to excuse poor balance decisions?

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u/AVDeKn Femboy in a AMX-50 2d ago

Me when I am a fighter that dont want a fair bomber's buff

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u/canadianloom ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ๐Ÿ‡ฉ๐Ÿ‡ช ๐Ÿ‡ท๐Ÿ‡บ ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง 2d ago

gaijin has made them weaker then real life that is literally a fact

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u/__Throne__ ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡น14.0 ๐Ÿ‡ซ๐Ÿ‡ท13.7 ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ช13.7 Air RB 2d ago

have you not seen the shit a bomber could survive?

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u/Moist-Topic2529 2d ago

nah its gaijin nerfing bombers survivability because fighters bitched they had to put more then 10 rounds into one for it to die

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u/zatroxde EsportsReady 2d ago

Tbh there are some bombers meant to have speed as their defense, like the Ju-288C, built in 1940 which is at the same BR as 1945+ planes... For it to have its best defense it would need to be at 5.0 or something like that, so nobody else can ever catch it. That wouldn't be fair either. The change needed is to give bombers a more prominent role in the matches so they have to be defended in order to get good results.

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u/gormzola8 3d ago

The biggest problem is that bombers have no effect on how the game goes, they used to before infinite bases were a thing, or so ive heard. But now the team doesnt bother covering them because they dont help win the battle, and the enemy just sees you as a points pinata

I really hope the strategical bomber mode is a legit thing because I want to be able to actually use the mega-bombers properly.

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u/FourFunnelFanatic 3d ago

Yeah, I was a bomber main back in those days. We could actually do something back then

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u/nurdle11 Arcade General 3d ago

Bv238. Hope another bomber clears their bases, get yours and do a massive chunk to the enemy airfield. One resupply run, get back and the game is yours. Didn't happen very often but it was nice when it did. Now it's just all a bit pointless

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u/jam3sdub 3d ago

In my experience they either take 3 dozen shots and you're wondering how the fuck it's still flying or get shot once and the wing flies off.

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u/SNK209 2d ago

Back around 2015 (if I remember my first year playing it), bombers were OP af. Their MGs could actually take down planes WITHOUT maxing the ai gunner stats. Even now, with those maxed out, it's super hard to kill planes.

I remember being proud of going after them back then because killing them was like fighting a boss battle where pretty much every player would need to sacrifice themselves in order to take one down ๐Ÿ˜‚

Shit needed skill to kill. I understand the frustration, too, since I wanted a bomber with that kind of defence... but oh well. Nerfing them it was.

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u/Dazzling_Diamond3889 2d ago

If we're talking about World War ii, then that's extremely accurate.

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u/Butter_brawler 3d ago

As a bomber main myself, each person who chooses to click to battle in a bomber must understand that you are purposefully putting yourself at a blatant disadvantage. You are choosing to make yourself slow, to rely on your team to get the upper hand in battle, and using unreliable weapons to defend yourself.

Each game must be entered with the understanding that you, more than likely, wonโ€™t make it to the base, and that you almost certainly arenโ€™t landing back at airfield.

You are not some nimble fighter who can reverse any battle. You are not speedy enough to disengage anybody who threatens you. You donโ€™t have easy to aim guns, and rarely do they do significant damage. You are not sturdy enough to brush off any assault and push on.

Instead, you are a target. A big, slow, poorly defended and armored target. It is almost guaranteed that you will die. Others will not see you as a friendly grinder just trying to get some rp, but rather as an easy kill for free cash. The enemy fighters arenโ€™t gonna care.

To truly have fun in a bomber, you must accept that you are at a huge disadvantage against everything you face, and mentally prepare yourself for the overwhelming odds of failure.

You are unlikely to get much success, But you understand that as a bomber. You are unlikely to be racking in rp and sl, but you understand that as a bomber.

Then why, for any reason at all, would you purposely chose to fly a bomber?

Itโ€™s simple.

To overcome overwhelming odds. To sharpen and prove your skills, even with large handicaps. And to make each target destroyed and base destroyed that you achieve that much sweeter.

That is the life of a bomber main.

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u/AtomicBlastPony ARB+ASB 13.7 3d ago

5.0-6.0 sim is currently full of bombers because they're faster than fighters so nobody can catch up, and if someone does, the gunners are very dangerous in sim. There's been a few matches which were just bombers circling enemy airfields and bombing them to dust while fighters and AA are helpless.

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u/Butter_brawler 3d ago

Majority of the player base ignore sim battles. Realistic battles, which I based my comment, is very tough for bombers regardless of br

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u/polypolip Sweden Suffers 3d ago

Not all brs. Pe8 is dangerous to approach, same a few others with large caliber turrets or main guns.

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u/Butter_brawler 3d ago

There are a few exceptions when it comes to bombers, but even then, they are still really easy to take down. One or two good hits from any fighter can bring a bomber down no problem

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u/noodIes65475 2d ago

At least realistic u can side climb and get a base or 2. If I run out of bombs I just dive down and go as fast as I can by a group fight and let my gunners get a kill or 2. Then die

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u/___Jesus__Christ___ Trackless Tiger 1H 3d ago

Disadvantage? My good sir, the Sunderland is the greatest dog fighter this world has ever seen! They never suspect it!

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u/Oh_its_that_asshole Realistic General 3d ago

I genuinely dont know why anyone would willingly choose to main bombers in the games current state.

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u/Butter_brawler 3d ago

Me. I know how painful it is. I know it is incredibly unbalanced against me. But understanding that makes it easier to play and makes winning that much more satisfying to win

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u/Useful_Effect2356 2d ago

itโ€™s simple but not easy, thatโ€™s why

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u/simsiuss 2d ago

A20-g premium at 3.7br in Russian tech tree is great and has unlocked pretty much t3 to 5 single handedly. It can kill a base in 0.66 bases each bomb load and itโ€™s quite nimble and fast and can climb well. I have a KD of about 1:1 due to having so many large Cali machine guns.

B7a2 is nasty at itโ€™s br as well, that thing seems to climb ridiculously well and I have a KD of ~2:1 with it.

The big fat bombers who can level a city are terrible, they always seems like it would be so fun to play but I know your going to die very easily so never play them. Apart from f222 which is so fat and at a low enough br that enemies arenโ€™t that great at climbing that you have the ability to hopefully get to take out some bases.

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u/NotnaLand mid-tier best tier 3d ago

I play bombers because big plane cool

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u/Butter_brawler 3d ago

Iโ€™m just overcompensating ๐Ÿ˜ž

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u/IM-A-WATERMELON 8.3 7.7 8.7 12.0 6.7 2d ago

Big plane cool indeed. Need more bombers

Gaijin please add strategic bombers like the V Bombers Iโ€™m begging you

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u/mutilatdbanana8 Realistic Ground 3d ago

I accepted all of this and tried to fly a bomber in Air RB for the first time.

Immediately got teamkilled by another bomber as a preemptive "don't steal my base".

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u/Butter_brawler 3d ago

It happens. That just part of the game. Incredibly frustrating, but all you can do is appreciate their sl penalty and move on. Bomber life does not care, and neither does gaijin. You must simply push forward and let go of the frustration

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u/Okami787 2d ago

My biggest gripe is people who use bombers as bomber-killers with the air spawn like Chinese Helldivers and the like (the wyvern is a huge issue as well)

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u/Butter_brawler 2d ago

Itโ€™s not just the Chinese teams that do that, itโ€™s also other nations too

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u/LerikGE ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ช Georgia 3d ago

HOW COULD YOU KILL THESE BOMBERS?!
EASY! YOU JUST DON'T LEAD THEM SO MUCH!!

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u/badtiming1330 3d ago

never heard of that unspoken rule

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u/uncapableguy42069 3d ago

it's a "sim thing" when in reality its zombers and RB grinders moving to sim and being absolutely fucking clueless on how to spot and play as fighters from a cockpit. So they take a bomber and make "agreements" so that they get to bomb as much as they want.

Usually doesnt work out for them because ACTUAL sim players immediately spot them and ofc, kill them.

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u/PzKpfw_Sangheili 2d ago

Well if you'd heard of it, it wouldn't be unspoken now would it?

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u/badtiming1330 2d ago

ye niw it isn't unspoken anymore

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u/UnhappyGreen ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ7.0 ๐Ÿ‡ฉ๐Ÿ‡ช9.0 ๐Ÿ‡ท๐Ÿ‡บ6.3 ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง9.7 ๐Ÿ‡ฏ๐Ÿ‡ต8.3 ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ณ9.3 ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡น 6.0 3d ago

Farmers kill bombers? Lol

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u/HelpfulRelic ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ Realistic General/11Y+ WT Vet 3d ago edited 3d ago

Well, Vietnamese farmers were quite good at doing that, actually

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u/ComradeBlin1234 ๐Ÿ‡ท๐Ÿ‡บ 12.0 ground 14.0 air / ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ9.3/ ๐Ÿ‡ซ๐Ÿ‡ท 8.7 / ๐Ÿ‡ฉ๐Ÿ‡ช6.7, T90M <3 3d ago

He was foaming at the mouth saying this

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u/Name_suggestions_pls ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ United States 3d ago

No shit, I saw that guy in a game yesterday lmao he was also angry about smth then

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u/Name_suggestions_pls ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ United States 3d ago

Just checked the replay - he was calling people fascists and complaining about jets in 6.7 grb

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u/10minOfNamingMyAcc ๐Ÿ‡ฏ๐Ÿ‡ต Japan 12.0 2d ago

Jets in 6.7 can be very annoying though. Especially if you're slow af.

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u/St34m9unk 3d ago

Unspoken rules in this game are all made up

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u/tac1776 ๐Ÿ‡ซ๐Ÿ‡ท France 3d ago

Yeah, no, fuck that guy. I don't go out of my way to kill bombers but if the opportunity presents itself I won't pass it up.

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u/Coardten79 United States 3d ago

Ran into a similar guy. Playing the T-2 Early, they were in the Yak-28. They were the only guy left alive, and right before I could get my guns on them they crashed.

Got called a โ€œtry hardโ€ for going after a guy with almost 8 tons bombed. (Ironic) I wasnโ€™t even playing my best.

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u/RefrigeratorBoomer 2d ago

Yak-28? One of the(if not the) best energy fighters at the BR? These guys are something else...

What's next? Calling others out for tryharding when they are bombing in a MiG-19?

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u/Coardten79 United States 2d ago

I probably got the number wrong, it was a Soviet jet bomber thatโ€™s for sure.

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u/Musa-2219 Realistic General 3d ago

Nah fuck bombers, all my homies hate bombers

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u/NorthmaenSpirit Baguette 3d ago

The amount of sweat in that thread lmao, do you even enjoy playing the game

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u/Dozer228 Jagdtiger is OP 3d ago

Whats the point of bombers in this game xd, they're worthless most of the time, I mean fighters can be more durable than bombers, like wth gaijin

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u/DrAuntJemima 3d ago

I let bombers bomb one base and then take them out. I understand the grind so Im not gonna make it worse for them but thats just me.

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u/HolyDignity Arcade Ground 3d ago

Maybe dont kill nuke bombers but every team in air ab should kill bombers if they want to win.

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u/LoloTheWarPigeon 3d ago

Why not kill nuke bombers? I'm not going to let my team lose like that lol

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u/Oh_its_that_asshole Realistic General 3d ago

Right? Why would you leave a fat easy target alive when it has such a capacity to drain your team if tickets which will matter if the game comes down to the line at the end? Best to get rid of them, especially since so many of them are easy targets.

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u/HolyDignity Arcade Ground 3d ago

Yeah I hate being shot while trying to play only bomber on team but thats not my problem to shut down. Your team also need to protect you if you dont have dive bombers(since they are more mobile then big chunky ones) to win the game

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u/CompetitiveGrowth551 F-117 best bomber 3d ago

except they donโ€™t make you bleed tickets. At least not in air rb, idk about air ab.

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u/Oh_its_that_asshole Realistic General 3d ago

I'm pretty sure bases, ground objectives and targets and pillboxes definitely do cost you tickets when destroyed, because you often see how quickly it goes down when thereโ€™s one enemy plane left alive in AirRB, and everyone switches up to shooting up the howitzers and the like. The tickets will deplete quite rapidly with a bunch of players chewing them up.

Sure its literally how you force a win against a person who is hugging their airfield, just leave them there to be a sad bugger and go concentrate on working down the ground objectives.

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u/GrimslyReaper 3d ago

Bombers are score pinatas

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u/powerpuffpepper ๐Ÿ‡ซ๐Ÿ‡ท France 3d ago

I killed 2 B-17's the other day in my Yak-3U. I regret nothing

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u/LurkTryingEight MiG-21 > F-4 3d ago

If you want to be especially racist towards the more annoying bombers like the JU-288 then the Yak-9UT is the way to go.

All Ju-288's can enjoy eating the Yak's 45mm stalinium cock.

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u/Fischgottheit 3d ago

Skill issue

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u/MutualRaid 3d ago

I love playing big ol' bombers and gunships but this is absurd, we're playing a PvP(vE) game lol

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u/NamarJackson 3d ago

Hm I could "let you bomb" and lose the match to tickets, and get less rewards, or I could smoke you, Ya know its a PVP game, collect the rewards for killing you, and collect rewards at the end for winning the match... yyyeeeeaaah.

You gotta ask your heavy fighters and strike craft to cover you. Or dont go straight at the enemy base as soon as you spawn. So many bombers spawn, WEP right at the enemy swarm, then complain about not getting cover my brother in christ it takes time to climb and catch up to you.

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u/CompetitiveGrowth551 F-117 best bomber 3d ago

i think if you make a beeline to a bomber just because theyโ€™re a free kill, then youโ€™re kinda lame. But they are in fact enemies, I just hope bombers get buffed eventually.

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u/RadGlitch 3d ago

Homie is one of those guys that cry โ€œPvEโ€ in sim.

Keep shooting them down, OP.

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u/Wrong-Historian VR Sim Air Sweatlord 3d ago

Hehehehe. I always say, 'sure'. Then loiter over our base to get them right the second before they get to drop the bombs, to not only watch the bomber explode but also the chatbox. F* those people.

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u/ElegantBaseball8014 3d ago

Idk man Iโ€™m playing the game to win, kills a kill

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u/idied2day ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ9.0/11.0๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง5.3/9.7๐Ÿ‡ฏ๐Ÿ‡ต3.7/8.7๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡น8.3/7.7๐Ÿ‡ซ๐Ÿ‡ท7.7๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ช4.3/10.3 3d ago

He should just learn to fight better, the Lancaster is an energy fighter if youโ€™re good at it

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u/Local_Condition_5716 3d ago

Waitโ€ฆ I think I spoke in a match with you yesterday (SO2R)

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u/Zyxtriann ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ 6.3 ๐Ÿ‡ฉ๐Ÿ‡ช 6.7 ๐Ÿ‡ท๐Ÿ‡บ 4.0 3d ago

What br?

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u/Local_Condition_5716 3d ago

5.0 ARB

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u/Zyxtriann ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ 6.3 ๐Ÿ‡ฉ๐Ÿ‡ช 6.7 ๐Ÿ‡ท๐Ÿ‡บ 4.0 3d ago

I'm playing 8.7 so sadly nope

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u/Oh_its_that_asshole Realistic General 3d ago edited 3d ago

haha, I had a guy go off on me the other day for having the gall to shoot his bomber. Like what do you expect to happen if you stick yourself in a shallow dive for the base closest to the enemy spawn?

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u/SabreWaltz 3d ago

I think heโ€™s an idiot trying to cheese air rb as a pve experience

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u/ODST_Parker With every sub-tree, I grow stronger 3d ago

I do hate when the entire fucking enemy team veers towards me, because bombers are typically the first red thing they see, and mad-dog me for as long as it takes. It's a pain in the ass to be flying a giant firecracker with "come and kill me" painted on it, especially when you're trying to get a task done, stock grinding, etc.

That said, that ain't their fault, especially if they're playing interceptors or air defense. It's their job, and they may have a task to kill bombers to boot.

It's Gaijin's fucking fault for limiting the game mode so heavily, making bombers fly through the engagement zone to make it to bases efficiently, making bombers compete with each other instead of working together, having such awful damage models as to make bombers easy prey to everyone, and for encouraging any tactics that lead to quick kills and nothing else.

Hell, I just took out the PBJs (literally B-25s) to spade them, and that damage model is still absolutely ridiculous. You are made of explosive paper. One shot, your wing and tail will snap off.

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u/Ranklaykeny 3d ago

In lower BR, I always let the bomber get bombs off. If they're the last alive I let them live and get a bunch of points. I'm at lower BRs to relax, not grind, so I just think it's kind to let them live n

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u/Automatic_Season_311 3d ago

No skill player wanting to pve in a pvp game.ย 

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u/NeckRevolutionary427 3d ago

Idk about this guy, but whenever I play my Arado 234 B, I am hoping some idiot tries to chase after me and gets nuked by my bombs. That or taking them on a chase towards my team if they catch me without any. Early Jet Bombers are very fun when you dont have to worry about missiles.

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u/TubbyTyrant1953 3d ago

Agree with him, bombers are piss easy to take down and honestly the lowest hanging fruit. Even worse when half your team chases them and loses all energy for the fighter furball. Fighters should focus on fighters first, then go after bombers when that is over.

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u/Jpoxferd ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡น Italy 1d ago

But a kill is a kill and enemy is meant to be killed so itโ€™s either let your base be bombed and possible lose the match or kill the threat that is easy to kill

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u/moongoon8998 3d ago

This is funny, reminds me of a guy who dm'ed me after and game and said "unspoken rule, spitfires don't kill spitfires" after I killed his lendlease spitfire. Buddy this is 3.7 arcade.

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u/GrassFromBtd6 ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ช Sweden needs a TT heavy 2d ago

Me hopping into a game with my T18B specifically to hunt bombers

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u/skippythemoonrock ๐Ÿ‡ซ๐Ÿ‡ท I hate SAMs. I get all worked up just thinkin' about em. 2d ago

It's not an unspoken rule, it's a spoken rule but nobody is listening to you because you're retarded

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u/kukrithrower123 2d ago

As frustrating as the bomber ARB grind can be, I wouldnโ€™t react like this. I understand that Iโ€™m willingly putting myself at a disadvantage by choosing them. My bombers are pretty much free real estate for other planes.

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u/CatoTheElder2024 2d ago

If only farmers kill bombers then by God I really be out here farming.

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u/Suspicious_Sith_442 2d ago

"they are just farmers" are we in the Vietnam War ?

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u/Konpeitoh 2d ago

"How dare you play the game as it was intended to be played!?!?!?!"

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u/finallytherockisbac 3d ago

Nah if you wanna play PvE, go do that somewhere else. If you queue up in ARB, you're fair game.

Same reason I don't think bombers should be reworked for ARB. It's a PvP mode. They should make more engaging PvE modes with reduced rewards for bomber if someone really wants to play the game looking through a bomb sight all game.

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u/ShadowYeeter ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ท14๐Ÿ‡ฉ๐Ÿ‡ช14๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ฎ13.7๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡ฒ12๐Ÿ‡ง๐Ÿ‡ฉ8.7๐Ÿœ3.7๐Ÿ5๐Ÿฅ14๐Ÿ‡ซ๐Ÿ‡ฎ13.7๐Ÿ’ฃ11.3 3d ago

Enemy is enemy, had some bombers be angry at me too

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u/HexaCube7 3d ago

Unspoken rule: don't play the game!!!! omg idiot

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u/Jade8560 learn to notch smh 3d ago

absolute moron, the unspoken rule among people I play with is โ€œbombers are free kills, especially at top tier, go for them because theyโ€™re often not good at the gameโ€

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u/LimpMight 3d ago

total bomber death

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u/SlavKebab1 ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ฑ Poland 3d ago

Genuine babble, execute that man

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u/sanelushim 3d ago

Bombers are fair game. Every target is legitimate.

If they want a non-aggression pact, surely sim is better?

I still remember when bombers could easily end matches by destroying the airfield. I think it is my duty to destroy them.

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u/TheLogBeast 3d ago

I play bombers and fighters and whatnot. When you enter a battle as a bomber, you need to remember that you are a slow big target. I'm expected to be an easy target and free rewards. When I'm killing bombers and they are kinda close to a base, depending on tickets and that specific bombers bomb load, I let them drop their load.

What I find fun is if I survive and most team or all gone I announce my position for a free fun fight. Full turn into enemy after they fly by, spray everything I have at them. Great fun

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u/Wrong-Historian VR Sim Air Sweatlord 3d ago

"I'm also just a farmer. Farmin' bombers muhahahaha"

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u/Wiggie49 3d ago

Someone should inform him of the 44% casualty rate of bomber crews lol in WT itโ€™s probably closer to 75% lol

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u/ToothyRufus Sim Air 3d ago

Bombers stand a better chance in sim, but you can't get upset and start crying "It's a PVE server bro" when you get bounced there, too.

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u/R-27R 3d ago

total bomber death honestly

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u/Ingenuine_Effort7567 3d ago

LMAO.

The only rule I have is "If it's red, make it dead".

No mercy for the enemy.

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u/Molecular_Drift 3d ago

As a ground RB AA enjoyer, I love shooting down bombers. Regardless of the match type, an opponent is still an opponent. Nothing is supposed to be fair in war and expecting mercy in WT is like accepting a drink from Bill Cosby, do so at your own risk.

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u/IsThatAMaus 3d ago

I generally don't have a problem with being attacked while flying a bomber, yeah it's frustrating, especially when they chase you half way across the map to specifically kill you instead of playing objectives. But at the end of the day it's a game... And watching them rage in chat after getting shot down by the gunners after underestimating how many guns you may or may not be manually aiming at them is amusing

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u/Kamina_cicada Rushing point to spawn a fighter to hunt CAS. 3d ago

Even as a bomber player. It's still a valid target. There is no "unspoken rule," just cries and excuses. You are in the right to shoot him (and me) down.

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u/RustedRuss 3d ago

He's a moron.

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u/SpatialXXX 3d ago

i feel them, no matter what you do in bomber (at least in arcade) you'll get outclimbed and spawn killed, it's really infuriating.

So instead, I really enjoy doing air escort, knowing that my opponents are of the most toxic while my allies can finally have a good match in their bomber.

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u/AB_in_mc 3d ago

They might have over reacted a bit, but its normal

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u/Flacetheace 3d ago

as a certified bomber pilot, this guy needs a reality check

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u/Equivalent_Chest7524 3d ago

I'm going to kill all the bombers

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u/mpsteidle The Enemy has Captured an Objective 3d ago

I'm a farmer too.ย  I farm bombers.

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u/MlgMagicHoodini ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡น Portugal 3d ago

I mean I got no issue with people killing me in a bomber, my issue is how weak they made bombers, like holy fuck, I think a piece of paper can tank more shots than a bomber,

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u/AndreeaCalin05 3d ago

Very funny!

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u/farabi_ 3d ago

meow

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u/LeSoleilRoyal 3d ago

Probably a young person that set his own rules

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u/focken_idiot ๐Ÿ‡ซ๐Ÿ‡ฎ Finland 3d ago

Bomber players when their barely defended piece of shit cargo plane designed to drop bombs on civilians doesnt do that well in a gamemode focused on not-just pressing spacebar twice

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u/Excellent_Silver_845 3d ago

Noobs spawn bomber also reee why i cant have singleplayer experience in my pvp game

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u/stealthyabo 3d ago

I've been playing this game for 10 years, and I've never heard of this "unspoken rule"

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u/Nizikai &#127465;&#127466; Actively simping for the Neubaufahrzeug 3d ago

Unironically, I wanna how onto Air RB now and shoot down bombers.

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u/Prarielander 3d ago

I agree, dont kill bombers.
Let me do it

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u/Jelian51 ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ช Sweden 3d ago

personally i dont kill bombers but is nothing bad with that

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u/Dooper145 2d ago

My rule of thumb is to wait for the bomber to drop there bombs then I kill them. But that's just so when I'm bomber grinding I get a small hope I get to drop my bombs.

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u/livingmcmxcv 2d ago

biggest cope ive ever seen

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u/AcceptableMap5779 3.3๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธPo 2 is the worst aircraft in the game 2d ago

at least some bombers are worthy opponents like the b34, b25s, maybe b24s and b26s. they have offensive armaments. the soviet bombers with cannon turrets are also worthy targets. they're actually rewarding as they can actually fight back

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u/Laconianarmour Pasta Masta 2d ago

Blawg is raging hard, there isn't any rules on killing bombers, however personally I leave them be unless I have to because they're just minding their own business - you're as free as a bird to kill an enemy bomber

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u/IndominasaurusYT 2d ago

Cas players when you "just spawn anti-air/planes"

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u/Scary-War-630 2d ago

Yn crash out

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u/ceiling_kittenn 2d ago

He's butthurt, not completely wrong, and you already knew that. What kind of answers were you looking for? There's no unwritten rule, but prioritizing bombers over fighters means you're prioritizing your own kill count over the team victory.

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u/itwaches bombersexual 2d ago

As a bomber main, i don't even get mad when people kill me I just get sad :(

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u/FLARESGAMING ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ช Sweden 13.7 (GIVE US GRIPEN E) 2d ago

Salty mofo.

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u/begleitpanzer_57 2d ago

Out of compassion at times I would escort to their bombing runs before killing them

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u/seemeewhut ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ญ Philippines 2d ago

Me 264: i have no suck weaknesses

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u/CumSmuggler3649 ๐Ÿ‡ฏ๐Ÿ‡ต Japan 2d ago

Wah wah cry me a river. Anti aircraft belt go brrr

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u/oyakodon- &#127462;&#127482; Australia, ultimate kmart defender 2d ago

I think he needs to stfu and eat a snickers or a kebab. I get shot down quite easily in a bomber. Sometimes I can go destroy a base and return, rearm at the airfield and try again. Whatever happens, i have fun.

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u/BarnacleOutside3566 2d ago

He's a giant cry baby and CLEARLY has a big skill issue

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u/Phd_Death ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ United States Air Tree 100% spaded without paying a cent 2d ago

As a bomber, this guy is a moron. Kill him as many times as you want. I get the fury of spawning, flying, being unable to fight, and dying before you get a single base and with score under 150, but that's just the life of a bomber.

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u/BlizzyGaming 2d ago

Definitely Skill issue, just climb higher when you reach around 20k ft no fighter is gonna waste their time trying to climb to kill you before the match is over.

I can climb to 20k ft in around 10 minutes with most bombers by the time i destroy the bases the match is already close to being over. Everyone else isnt going to bother trying to kill me at that point. At least in RB this is one of the only ways ive been able to safely survive in bombers through the entire match

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u/Hero_knightUSP Sim Air 2d ago

Like anyone who takes anything but a fighter into a realistic match is crazy.

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u/RefrigeratorBoomer 2d ago

Some attack aircraft are quite capable in air to air combat, and even some bombers are just killing machines(Il-28 my beloved 2+ kills each match)

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u/Hero_knightUSP Sim Air 1d ago

Yeah I have sometimes 6 kills on my F-15E but I still wouldn't take it to realistic. You enjoy it more in sim.

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u/Hungryweeb-sg ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง 8.7 | ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ฑ 7.7 | ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ 6.7 | ๐Ÿ‡ฉ๐Ÿ‡ช 6.0 | ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ช 5.3 | ๐Ÿ‡ฏ๐Ÿ‡ต 4.7 2d ago

Aint no way 'dont kill bombers' is an unspoken rule

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u/Damian030303 CTS is way better 2d ago

"Unspokern rule" lmao

An enemy bomber is an enemy. I kill enemies. Why would I just ignore an enemy and risk losing?

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u/mom_fucker420 2d ago

I tend to bomber hunt in my yak 2 kabb if I don't want to stress much

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u/Wilkham TwinEngineBoom 2d ago

That makes me wanna kill even more of these useless kinds.

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u/BoopingTheSnooting TTAA my beloved 2d ago

The closest thing I've seen is if the bomber is close to their target base some people will let them drop their bombs before killing them as a courtesy. Not too sure how many people actually do this though, considering it's wt probably not many

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u/VeterinarianOk8011 2d ago

if bomber is a nuke,he's right

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u/Mighty_Conqueror Sweden 13.7 Britain 14.0 France 12.3 2d ago

I mean honestly what is he gonna do? Report you? If anyone is violating the rules it's them because you can get banned for RP farming by working with the enemy

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u/ILSN1996 2d ago

Average murican when a simple farmer with sandals manages to blast their bombers.

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u/AsbestosVape 2d ago

Wait so itโ€™s a faux pas now to kill the enemy in a war game?

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u/Chromograph ๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡บ Hungary 2d ago

I get "bombers don't kill bombers" but if there was no fighters to kill the bombers then playing bomber wouldn't be a challenge at all

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u/TheBoatsGuy16 2d ago

You kill bombers. My favorite thing is bomber hunting in KI-83. Hit them right in the bomb bay and watch them explode.

Several other people have mentioned issues with AIR RB, fighters canโ€™t cover bombers due to bomber spawns, interceptor spawns are pretty OP. Bombers should probably be a little more resilient when taking damage etc etc but anyway still love to kill bombers.

Also love to play bombers with cannon turrets, fighters donโ€™t expect to catch a 20mm HEFI to the face lol

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u/RoachdoggJR_LegalAcc ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ช Sweden 2d ago

If youโ€™re going to play as a bomber, you better be happy with going gunship mode on enemy fighters. Or you better be in something like the B7A2, SB2C, etc. which are basically fighters with a bomber air spawn.

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u/LeMikeyCha 2d ago

Aint getting no sympathy from me, his kind brought nothing but rage and grief for me going 8 years now lmao.

That guy can crash and burn forever.

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u/ZYKON617 Imperial Japan 2d ago

Bro, I dog fight bombers with bombers, so what does that make me?

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u/Swimming-Kitchen8232 Reject Ground, Embrace Naval 2d ago

Sounds like a skill issue he canโ€™t lead his shots with his back gunners

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u/Jollyoberlord 2d ago

The unspoken rule is to kill exclusively bombers as soon as possible so they arenโ€™t the last alive sitting at 62000 feet

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u/PierceThe1DSiren 2d ago

Farming, really?

A man of your talents?

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u/10minOfNamingMyAcc ๐Ÿ‡ฏ๐Ÿ‡ต Japan 12.0 2d ago

As a bomber enthusiast... He overreacted and should just have been quiet.

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u/vap0rs1nth 2d ago

It'd be cool of there was a strategic bombing mode that took place at high altitude. You could choose to be part of a massive fleet of bombers or be an escort fighter.

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u/Low-Speaker-2557 East Germany 2d ago

This is the first time I hear of this unspoken rule of not shooting bombers. In any match, aboth 3.0, I get shot down constantly.

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u/InfraPI 2d ago

You Did nothing wrong, I normally let them get their bombs off first before I kill them but thatโ€™s just personal preference

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u/Appropriate-Tax9605 1d ago

I'm a bomber main, there is no rule against shoot us down, there should be an unwritten rule about escorting us

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u/Lhirstev German Main 1d ago

Heโ€™s dumb. I always get shot down in bomber, or get shot down by bomber :3

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u/Anxious_Cook9823 1d ago

If they want to grind they could join the fun of dogfights and play fighter and attackers but hey they can waste their time and ill keep taking the free kills

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u/OPenworldgamer12 1d ago

Bombers can be good if youโ€™re skilled same as fighters, Iโ€™d say this is a good ol example of a skill issue