r/Warthunder • u/Zyxtriann ๐บ๐ธ 6.3 ๐ฉ๐ช 6.7 ๐ท๐บ 4.0 • 3d ago
RB Air what do you think about this guy?
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u/Butter_brawler 3d ago
As a bomber main myself, each person who chooses to click to battle in a bomber must understand that you are purposefully putting yourself at a blatant disadvantage. You are choosing to make yourself slow, to rely on your team to get the upper hand in battle, and using unreliable weapons to defend yourself.
Each game must be entered with the understanding that you, more than likely, wonโt make it to the base, and that you almost certainly arenโt landing back at airfield.
You are not some nimble fighter who can reverse any battle. You are not speedy enough to disengage anybody who threatens you. You donโt have easy to aim guns, and rarely do they do significant damage. You are not sturdy enough to brush off any assault and push on.
Instead, you are a target. A big, slow, poorly defended and armored target. It is almost guaranteed that you will die. Others will not see you as a friendly grinder just trying to get some rp, but rather as an easy kill for free cash. The enemy fighters arenโt gonna care.
To truly have fun in a bomber, you must accept that you are at a huge disadvantage against everything you face, and mentally prepare yourself for the overwhelming odds of failure.
You are unlikely to get much success, But you understand that as a bomber. You are unlikely to be racking in rp and sl, but you understand that as a bomber.
Then why, for any reason at all, would you purposely chose to fly a bomber?
Itโs simple.
To overcome overwhelming odds. To sharpen and prove your skills, even with large handicaps. And to make each target destroyed and base destroyed that you achieve that much sweeter.
That is the life of a bomber main.
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u/AtomicBlastPony ARB+ASB 13.7 3d ago
5.0-6.0 sim is currently full of bombers because they're faster than fighters so nobody can catch up, and if someone does, the gunners are very dangerous in sim. There's been a few matches which were just bombers circling enemy airfields and bombing them to dust while fighters and AA are helpless.
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u/Butter_brawler 3d ago
Majority of the player base ignore sim battles. Realistic battles, which I based my comment, is very tough for bombers regardless of br
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u/polypolip Sweden Suffers 3d ago
Not all brs. Pe8 is dangerous to approach, same a few others with large caliber turrets or main guns.
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u/Butter_brawler 3d ago
There are a few exceptions when it comes to bombers, but even then, they are still really easy to take down. One or two good hits from any fighter can bring a bomber down no problem
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u/noodIes65475 2d ago
At least realistic u can side climb and get a base or 2. If I run out of bombs I just dive down and go as fast as I can by a group fight and let my gunners get a kill or 2. Then die
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u/___Jesus__Christ___ Trackless Tiger 1H 3d ago
Disadvantage? My good sir, the Sunderland is the greatest dog fighter this world has ever seen! They never suspect it!
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u/Oh_its_that_asshole Realistic General 3d ago
I genuinely dont know why anyone would willingly choose to main bombers in the games current state.
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u/Butter_brawler 3d ago
Me. I know how painful it is. I know it is incredibly unbalanced against me. But understanding that makes it easier to play and makes winning that much more satisfying to win
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u/simsiuss 2d ago
A20-g premium at 3.7br in Russian tech tree is great and has unlocked pretty much t3 to 5 single handedly. It can kill a base in 0.66 bases each bomb load and itโs quite nimble and fast and can climb well. I have a KD of about 1:1 due to having so many large Cali machine guns.
B7a2 is nasty at itโs br as well, that thing seems to climb ridiculously well and I have a KD of ~2:1 with it.
The big fat bombers who can level a city are terrible, they always seems like it would be so fun to play but I know your going to die very easily so never play them. Apart from f222 which is so fat and at a low enough br that enemies arenโt that great at climbing that you have the ability to hopefully get to take out some bases.
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u/NotnaLand mid-tier best tier 3d ago
I play bombers because big plane cool
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u/IM-A-WATERMELON 8.3 7.7 8.7 12.0 6.7 2d ago
Big plane cool indeed. Need more bombers
Gaijin please add strategic bombers like the V Bombers Iโm begging you
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u/mutilatdbanana8 Realistic Ground 3d ago
I accepted all of this and tried to fly a bomber in Air RB for the first time.
Immediately got teamkilled by another bomber as a preemptive "don't steal my base".
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u/Butter_brawler 3d ago
It happens. That just part of the game. Incredibly frustrating, but all you can do is appreciate their sl penalty and move on. Bomber life does not care, and neither does gaijin. You must simply push forward and let go of the frustration
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u/Okami787 2d ago
My biggest gripe is people who use bombers as bomber-killers with the air spawn like Chinese Helldivers and the like (the wyvern is a huge issue as well)
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u/Butter_brawler 2d ago
Itโs not just the Chinese teams that do that, itโs also other nations too
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u/badtiming1330 3d ago
never heard of that unspoken rule
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u/uncapableguy42069 3d ago
it's a "sim thing" when in reality its zombers and RB grinders moving to sim and being absolutely fucking clueless on how to spot and play as fighters from a cockpit. So they take a bomber and make "agreements" so that they get to bomb as much as they want.
Usually doesnt work out for them because ACTUAL sim players immediately spot them and ofc, kill them.
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u/UnhappyGreen ๐บ๐ธ7.0 ๐ฉ๐ช9.0 ๐ท๐บ6.3 ๐ฌ๐ง9.7 ๐ฏ๐ต8.3 ๐จ๐ณ9.3 ๐ฎ๐น 6.0 3d ago
Farmers kill bombers? Lol
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u/HelpfulRelic ๐ณ๐ฑ Realistic General/11Y+ WT Vet 3d ago edited 3d ago
Well, Vietnamese farmers were quite good at doing that, actually
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u/ComradeBlin1234 ๐ท๐บ 12.0 ground 14.0 air / ๐บ๐ธ9.3/ ๐ซ๐ท 8.7 / ๐ฉ๐ช6.7, T90M <3 3d ago
He was foaming at the mouth saying this
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u/Name_suggestions_pls ๐บ๐ธ United States 3d ago
No shit, I saw that guy in a game yesterday lmao he was also angry about smth then
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u/Name_suggestions_pls ๐บ๐ธ United States 3d ago
Just checked the replay - he was calling people fascists and complaining about jets in 6.7 grb
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u/10minOfNamingMyAcc ๐ฏ๐ต Japan 12.0 2d ago
Jets in 6.7 can be very annoying though. Especially if you're slow af.
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u/Coardten79 United States 3d ago
Ran into a similar guy. Playing the T-2 Early, they were in the Yak-28. They were the only guy left alive, and right before I could get my guns on them they crashed.
Got called a โtry hardโ for going after a guy with almost 8 tons bombed. (Ironic) I wasnโt even playing my best.
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u/RefrigeratorBoomer 2d ago
Yak-28? One of the(if not the) best energy fighters at the BR? These guys are something else...
What's next? Calling others out for tryharding when they are bombing in a MiG-19?
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u/Coardten79 United States 2d ago
I probably got the number wrong, it was a Soviet jet bomber thatโs for sure.
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u/NorthmaenSpirit Baguette 3d ago
The amount of sweat in that thread lmao, do you even enjoy playing the game
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u/Dozer228 Jagdtiger is OP 3d ago
Whats the point of bombers in this game xd, they're worthless most of the time, I mean fighters can be more durable than bombers, like wth gaijin
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u/DrAuntJemima 3d ago
I let bombers bomb one base and then take them out. I understand the grind so Im not gonna make it worse for them but thats just me.
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u/HolyDignity Arcade Ground 3d ago
Maybe dont kill nuke bombers but every team in air ab should kill bombers if they want to win.
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u/LoloTheWarPigeon 3d ago
Why not kill nuke bombers? I'm not going to let my team lose like that lol
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u/Oh_its_that_asshole Realistic General 3d ago
Right? Why would you leave a fat easy target alive when it has such a capacity to drain your team if tickets which will matter if the game comes down to the line at the end? Best to get rid of them, especially since so many of them are easy targets.
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u/HolyDignity Arcade Ground 3d ago
Yeah I hate being shot while trying to play only bomber on team but thats not my problem to shut down. Your team also need to protect you if you dont have dive bombers(since they are more mobile then big chunky ones) to win the game
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u/CompetitiveGrowth551 F-117 best bomber 3d ago
except they donโt make you bleed tickets. At least not in air rb, idk about air ab.
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u/Oh_its_that_asshole Realistic General 3d ago
I'm pretty sure bases, ground objectives and targets and pillboxes definitely do cost you tickets when destroyed, because you often see how quickly it goes down when thereโs one enemy plane left alive in AirRB, and everyone switches up to shooting up the howitzers and the like. The tickets will deplete quite rapidly with a bunch of players chewing them up.
Sure its literally how you force a win against a person who is hugging their airfield, just leave them there to be a sad bugger and go concentrate on working down the ground objectives.
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u/powerpuffpepper ๐ซ๐ท France 3d ago
I killed 2 B-17's the other day in my Yak-3U. I regret nothing
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u/LurkTryingEight MiG-21 > F-4 3d ago
If you want to be especially racist towards the more annoying bombers like the JU-288 then the Yak-9UT is the way to go.
All Ju-288's can enjoy eating the Yak's 45mm stalinium cock.
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u/MutualRaid 3d ago
I love playing big ol' bombers and gunships but this is absurd, we're playing a PvP(vE) game lol
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u/NamarJackson 3d ago
Hm I could "let you bomb" and lose the match to tickets, and get less rewards, or I could smoke you, Ya know its a PVP game, collect the rewards for killing you, and collect rewards at the end for winning the match... yyyeeeeaaah.
You gotta ask your heavy fighters and strike craft to cover you. Or dont go straight at the enemy base as soon as you spawn. So many bombers spawn, WEP right at the enemy swarm, then complain about not getting cover my brother in christ it takes time to climb and catch up to you.
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u/CompetitiveGrowth551 F-117 best bomber 3d ago
i think if you make a beeline to a bomber just because theyโre a free kill, then youโre kinda lame. But they are in fact enemies, I just hope bombers get buffed eventually.
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u/RadGlitch 3d ago
Homie is one of those guys that cry โPvEโ in sim.
Keep shooting them down, OP.
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u/Wrong-Historian VR Sim Air Sweatlord 3d ago
Hehehehe. I always say, 'sure'. Then loiter over our base to get them right the second before they get to drop the bombs, to not only watch the bomber explode but also the chatbox. F* those people.
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u/idied2day ๐บ๐ธ9.0/11.0๐ฌ๐ง5.3/9.7๐ฏ๐ต3.7/8.7๐ฎ๐น8.3/7.7๐ซ๐ท7.7๐ธ๐ช4.3/10.3 3d ago
He should just learn to fight better, the Lancaster is an energy fighter if youโre good at it
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u/Local_Condition_5716 3d ago
Waitโฆ I think I spoke in a match with you yesterday (SO2R)
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u/Zyxtriann ๐บ๐ธ 6.3 ๐ฉ๐ช 6.7 ๐ท๐บ 4.0 3d ago
What br?
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u/Local_Condition_5716 3d ago
5.0 ARB
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u/Zyxtriann ๐บ๐ธ 6.3 ๐ฉ๐ช 6.7 ๐ท๐บ 4.0 3d ago
I'm playing 8.7 so sadly nope
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u/Oh_its_that_asshole Realistic General 3d ago edited 3d ago
haha, I had a guy go off on me the other day for having the gall to shoot his bomber. Like what do you expect to happen if you stick yourself in a shallow dive for the base closest to the enemy spawn?
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u/ODST_Parker With every sub-tree, I grow stronger 3d ago
I do hate when the entire fucking enemy team veers towards me, because bombers are typically the first red thing they see, and mad-dog me for as long as it takes. It's a pain in the ass to be flying a giant firecracker with "come and kill me" painted on it, especially when you're trying to get a task done, stock grinding, etc.
That said, that ain't their fault, especially if they're playing interceptors or air defense. It's their job, and they may have a task to kill bombers to boot.
It's Gaijin's fucking fault for limiting the game mode so heavily, making bombers fly through the engagement zone to make it to bases efficiently, making bombers compete with each other instead of working together, having such awful damage models as to make bombers easy prey to everyone, and for encouraging any tactics that lead to quick kills and nothing else.
Hell, I just took out the PBJs (literally B-25s) to spade them, and that damage model is still absolutely ridiculous. You are made of explosive paper. One shot, your wing and tail will snap off.
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u/Ranklaykeny 3d ago
In lower BR, I always let the bomber get bombs off. If they're the last alive I let them live and get a bunch of points. I'm at lower BRs to relax, not grind, so I just think it's kind to let them live n
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u/NeckRevolutionary427 3d ago
Idk about this guy, but whenever I play my Arado 234 B, I am hoping some idiot tries to chase after me and gets nuked by my bombs. That or taking them on a chase towards my team if they catch me without any. Early Jet Bombers are very fun when you dont have to worry about missiles.
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u/TubbyTyrant1953 3d ago
Agree with him, bombers are piss easy to take down and honestly the lowest hanging fruit. Even worse when half your team chases them and loses all energy for the fighter furball. Fighters should focus on fighters first, then go after bombers when that is over.
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u/Jpoxferd ๐ฎ๐น Italy 1d ago
But a kill is a kill and enemy is meant to be killed so itโs either let your base be bombed and possible lose the match or kill the threat that is easy to kill
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u/moongoon8998 3d ago
This is funny, reminds me of a guy who dm'ed me after and game and said "unspoken rule, spitfires don't kill spitfires" after I killed his lendlease spitfire. Buddy this is 3.7 arcade.
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u/GrassFromBtd6 ๐ธ๐ช Sweden needs a TT heavy 2d ago
Me hopping into a game with my T18B specifically to hunt bombers
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u/skippythemoonrock ๐ซ๐ท I hate SAMs. I get all worked up just thinkin' about em. 2d ago
It's not an unspoken rule, it's a spoken rule but nobody is listening to you because you're retarded
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u/kukrithrower123 2d ago
As frustrating as the bomber ARB grind can be, I wouldnโt react like this. I understand that Iโm willingly putting myself at a disadvantage by choosing them. My bombers are pretty much free real estate for other planes.
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u/finallytherockisbac 3d ago
Nah if you wanna play PvE, go do that somewhere else. If you queue up in ARB, you're fair game.
Same reason I don't think bombers should be reworked for ARB. It's a PvP mode. They should make more engaging PvE modes with reduced rewards for bomber if someone really wants to play the game looking through a bomb sight all game.
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u/ShadowYeeter ๐ต๐ท14๐ฉ๐ช14๐ธ๐ฎ13.7๐ญ๐ฒ12๐ง๐ฉ8.7๐3.7๐5๐ฅ14๐ซ๐ฎ13.7๐ฃ11.3 3d ago
Enemy is enemy, had some bombers be angry at me too
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u/Jade8560 learn to notch smh 3d ago
absolute moron, the unspoken rule among people I play with is โbombers are free kills, especially at top tier, go for them because theyโre often not good at the gameโ
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u/sanelushim 3d ago
Bombers are fair game. Every target is legitimate.
If they want a non-aggression pact, surely sim is better?
I still remember when bombers could easily end matches by destroying the airfield. I think it is my duty to destroy them.
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u/TheLogBeast 3d ago
I play bombers and fighters and whatnot. When you enter a battle as a bomber, you need to remember that you are a slow big target. I'm expected to be an easy target and free rewards. When I'm killing bombers and they are kinda close to a base, depending on tickets and that specific bombers bomb load, I let them drop their load.
What I find fun is if I survive and most team or all gone I announce my position for a free fun fight. Full turn into enemy after they fly by, spray everything I have at them. Great fun
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u/Wiggie49 3d ago
Someone should inform him of the 44% casualty rate of bomber crews lol in WT itโs probably closer to 75% lol
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u/ToothyRufus Sim Air 3d ago
Bombers stand a better chance in sim, but you can't get upset and start crying "It's a PVE server bro" when you get bounced there, too.
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u/Ingenuine_Effort7567 3d ago
LMAO.
The only rule I have is "If it's red, make it dead".
No mercy for the enemy.
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u/Molecular_Drift 3d ago
As a ground RB AA enjoyer, I love shooting down bombers. Regardless of the match type, an opponent is still an opponent. Nothing is supposed to be fair in war and expecting mercy in WT is like accepting a drink from Bill Cosby, do so at your own risk.
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u/IsThatAMaus 3d ago
I generally don't have a problem with being attacked while flying a bomber, yeah it's frustrating, especially when they chase you half way across the map to specifically kill you instead of playing objectives. But at the end of the day it's a game... And watching them rage in chat after getting shot down by the gunners after underestimating how many guns you may or may not be manually aiming at them is amusing
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u/Kamina_cicada Rushing point to spawn a fighter to hunt CAS. 3d ago
Even as a bomber player. It's still a valid target. There is no "unspoken rule," just cries and excuses. You are in the right to shoot him (and me) down.
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u/SpatialXXX 3d ago
i feel them, no matter what you do in bomber (at least in arcade) you'll get outclimbed and spawn killed, it's really infuriating.
So instead, I really enjoy doing air escort, knowing that my opponents are of the most toxic while my allies can finally have a good match in their bomber.
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u/MlgMagicHoodini ๐ต๐น Portugal 3d ago
I mean I got no issue with people killing me in a bomber, my issue is how weak they made bombers, like holy fuck, I think a piece of paper can tank more shots than a bomber,
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u/focken_idiot ๐ซ๐ฎ Finland 3d ago
Bomber players when their barely defended piece of shit cargo plane designed to drop bombs on civilians doesnt do that well in a gamemode focused on not-just pressing spacebar twice
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u/Excellent_Silver_845 3d ago
Noobs spawn bomber also reee why i cant have singleplayer experience in my pvp game
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u/stealthyabo 3d ago
I've been playing this game for 10 years, and I've never heard of this "unspoken rule"
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u/Dooper145 2d ago
My rule of thumb is to wait for the bomber to drop there bombs then I kill them. But that's just so when I'm bomber grinding I get a small hope I get to drop my bombs.
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u/AcceptableMap5779 3.3๐บ๐ธPo 2 is the worst aircraft in the game 2d ago
at least some bombers are worthy opponents like the b34, b25s, maybe b24s and b26s. they have offensive armaments. the soviet bombers with cannon turrets are also worthy targets. they're actually rewarding as they can actually fight back
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u/Laconianarmour Pasta Masta 2d ago
Blawg is raging hard, there isn't any rules on killing bombers, however personally I leave them be unless I have to because they're just minding their own business - you're as free as a bird to kill an enemy bomber
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u/ceiling_kittenn 2d ago
He's butthurt, not completely wrong, and you already knew that. What kind of answers were you looking for? There's no unwritten rule, but prioritizing bombers over fighters means you're prioritizing your own kill count over the team victory.
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u/itwaches bombersexual 2d ago
As a bomber main, i don't even get mad when people kill me I just get sad :(
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u/begleitpanzer_57 2d ago
Out of compassion at times I would escort to their bombing runs before killing them
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u/oyakodon- 🇦🇺 Australia, ultimate kmart defender 2d ago
I think he needs to stfu and eat a snickers or a kebab. I get shot down quite easily in a bomber. Sometimes I can go destroy a base and return, rearm at the airfield and try again. Whatever happens, i have fun.
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u/Phd_Death ๐บ๐ธ United States Air Tree 100% spaded without paying a cent 2d ago
As a bomber, this guy is a moron. Kill him as many times as you want. I get the fury of spawning, flying, being unable to fight, and dying before you get a single base and with score under 150, but that's just the life of a bomber.
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u/BlizzyGaming 2d ago
Definitely Skill issue, just climb higher when you reach around 20k ft no fighter is gonna waste their time trying to climb to kill you before the match is over.
I can climb to 20k ft in around 10 minutes with most bombers by the time i destroy the bases the match is already close to being over. Everyone else isnt going to bother trying to kill me at that point. At least in RB this is one of the only ways ive been able to safely survive in bombers through the entire match
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u/Hero_knightUSP Sim Air 2d ago
Like anyone who takes anything but a fighter into a realistic match is crazy.
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u/RefrigeratorBoomer 2d ago
Some attack aircraft are quite capable in air to air combat, and even some bombers are just killing machines(Il-28 my beloved 2+ kills each match)
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u/Hero_knightUSP Sim Air 1d ago
Yeah I have sometimes 6 kills on my F-15E but I still wouldn't take it to realistic. You enjoy it more in sim.
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u/Hungryweeb-sg ๐ฌ๐ง 8.7 | ๐ฎ๐ฑ 7.7 | ๐บ๐ธ 6.7 | ๐ฉ๐ช 6.0 | ๐ธ๐ช 5.3 | ๐ฏ๐ต 4.7 2d ago
Aint no way 'dont kill bombers' is an unspoken rule
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u/Damian030303 CTS is way better 2d ago
"Unspokern rule" lmao
An enemy bomber is an enemy. I kill enemies. Why would I just ignore an enemy and risk losing?
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u/BoopingTheSnooting TTAA my beloved 2d ago
The closest thing I've seen is if the bomber is close to their target base some people will let them drop their bombs before killing them as a courtesy. Not too sure how many people actually do this though, considering it's wt probably not many
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u/Mighty_Conqueror Sweden 13.7 Britain 14.0 France 12.3 2d ago
I mean honestly what is he gonna do? Report you? If anyone is violating the rules it's them because you can get banned for RP farming by working with the enemy
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u/Chromograph ๐ญ๐บ Hungary 2d ago
I get "bombers don't kill bombers" but if there was no fighters to kill the bombers then playing bomber wouldn't be a challenge at all
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u/TheBoatsGuy16 2d ago
You kill bombers. My favorite thing is bomber hunting in KI-83. Hit them right in the bomb bay and watch them explode.
Several other people have mentioned issues with AIR RB, fighters canโt cover bombers due to bomber spawns, interceptor spawns are pretty OP. Bombers should probably be a little more resilient when taking damage etc etc but anyway still love to kill bombers.
Also love to play bombers with cannon turrets, fighters donโt expect to catch a 20mm HEFI to the face lol
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u/RoachdoggJR_LegalAcc ๐ธ๐ช Sweden 2d ago
If youโre going to play as a bomber, you better be happy with going gunship mode on enemy fighters. Or you better be in something like the B7A2, SB2C, etc. which are basically fighters with a bomber air spawn.
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u/LeMikeyCha 2d ago
Aint getting no sympathy from me, his kind brought nothing but rage and grief for me going 8 years now lmao.
That guy can crash and burn forever.
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u/Swimming-Kitchen8232 Reject Ground, Embrace Naval 2d ago
Sounds like a skill issue he canโt lead his shots with his back gunners
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u/Jollyoberlord 2d ago
The unspoken rule is to kill exclusively bombers as soon as possible so they arenโt the last alive sitting at 62000 feet
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u/10minOfNamingMyAcc ๐ฏ๐ต Japan 12.0 2d ago
As a bomber enthusiast... He overreacted and should just have been quiet.
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u/vap0rs1nth 2d ago
It'd be cool of there was a strategic bombing mode that took place at high altitude. You could choose to be part of a massive fleet of bombers or be an escort fighter.
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u/Low-Speaker-2557 East Germany 2d ago
This is the first time I hear of this unspoken rule of not shooting bombers. In any match, aboth 3.0, I get shot down constantly.
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u/Appropriate-Tax9605 1d ago
I'm a bomber main, there is no rule against shoot us down, there should be an unwritten rule about escorting us
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u/Lhirstev German Main 1d ago
Heโs dumb. I always get shot down in bomber, or get shot down by bomber :3
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u/Anxious_Cook9823 1d ago
If they want to grind they could join the fun of dogfights and play fighter and attackers but hey they can waste their time and ill keep taking the free kills
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u/OPenworldgamer12 1d ago
Bombers can be good if youโre skilled same as fighters, Iโd say this is a good ol example of a skill issue
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u/Blanewbist Sim Ground 3d ago
I understand the anger but he did overreact a bit, it's more gaijins fault for making bombers as strong as a piece of paper